‘23 TN QB Kenny Minchey (Notre Dame Signee)

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greyhammer90 said:
It's the rub of semi-pro vs student athlete. College ball was supposed to be a means to get a degree for free in exchange for your work as an athlete. The goal for 99% of them was to get that degree and then move on with your life. Now the incentives are reversed where it's a genuine financial opportunity for many of them and everyone wants to stick around as long as they can. Most who stick around for longer are not pursuing an advanced degree, they are just treading water and making money. I don't begrudge any individual for wanting to make money, but there is a societal question of whether the system should be incentivizing people to tread water in college. But even if you think "the market sets a worker's value so they are simply staying where they have the most value" there's also the simple fact that for every super senior at Notre Dame, there's one less freshman coming in. So this isn't "Hooray, more people are making more money." It's a zero sum game.
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Agreed for the most part.

If we could count on every university to prioritize education and make the diploma valuable to student athletes, it would be much less of an issue.

It also lays bare that the idea of a "free market" is a myth. Systems have always picked winners and losers. NIL needs guardrails and regulation or we'll keep seeing the ludicrous shit we're seeing
 
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greyhammer90 said:
It's the rub of semi-pro vs student athlete. College ball was supposed to be a means to get a degree for free in exchange for your work as an athlete. The goal for 99% of them was to get that degree and then move on with your life. Now the incentives are reversed where it's a genuine financial opportunity for many of them and everyone wants to stick around as long as they can. Most who stick around for longer are not pursuing an advanced degree, they are just treading water and making money. I don't begrudge any individual for wanting to make money, but there is a societal question of whether the system should be incentivizing people to tread water in college. But even if you think "the market sets a worker's value so they are simply staying where they have the most value" there's also the simple fact that for every super senior at Notre Dame, there's one less freshman coming in. So this isn't "Hooray, more people are making more money." It's a zero sum game.
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Curious about this. Who, exactly, did Jack Kiser or Howard Cross cost a spot to? And who would we have rather had?
 
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stlnd01 said:
Curious about this. Who, exactly, did Jack Kiser or Howard Cross cost a spot to? And who would we have rather had?
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Tbh we probably have no way of knowing. But I think we can distinguish a difference between guys who stick with one school and redshirt as freshman. The plan with those guys from the beginning is five years, unless they blow up and have an incentive to go to the league.

The Covid thing was not foreseeable in planning scholarship allocation, and the NCAA (wrongly) gave a blanket free year of eligibility for that. I don't blame ND or the young men for taking advantage of it. But ND had 85 scholarships to give, and two of those went to guys for a full year of bonus football.
 
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NorthDakota said:
Tbh we probably have no way of knowing. But I think we can distinguish a difference between guys who stick with one school and redshirt as freshman. The plan with those guys from the beginning is five years, unless they blow up and have an incentive to go to the league.

The Covid thing was not foreseeable in planning scholarship allocation, and the NCAA (wrongly) gave a blanket free year of eligibility for that. I don't blame ND or the young men for taking advantage of it. But ND had 85 scholarships to give, and two of those went to guys for a full year of bonus football.
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Last year was the first time in basically ever that we actually hit the scholarship limit. Most years there is zero cost, even hypothetically, (and most years you’re taking about 5Ys not 6Ys).

I agree the guys who bounce through four schools in five seasons aren’t doing it the right way. But I think people like Kiser and Cross who’ve spent five years in a program can bring a lot to the table, including teaching the younger guys how it’s done.

Either way, of all the problems, real and perceived, facing college football right now, dudes who just want to keep playing it aren’t really that high on my list of ones to worry about.
 
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There just needs to be a farm system and then a separate colligate system. Those that dont want the education, go play UFL until you get drafted or quit. Those athletes that actually want an education, let them play in college and benefit with a free education.
Think back to the 50-70s. You had plenty of athletes playing. So what if the RB runs a 4.8 instead of a 4.4? That is still pretty dang fast.
People will watch CFB because they love the sport and love the team the players are playing for, not because the RB runs a 4.4
 
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Rizzophil said:
There are other threads that you can talk food, politics, soccer, etc. etc. Try to keep the threads on topic
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Who is talking about any of that here? There were like 5 posts joking about his origins, and now the thread is equally as derailed by guys complaining about threads getting derailed. Just keep scrolling, my goodness.
 
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The easiest way to get a thread on topic is to offer something of substance to said topic. The complaints about off topic stuff but then you have nothing you want to talk about or questions want answered are as exhausting as anything.

And now I’m complaining about complaining!
 
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Dale said:
The easiest way to get a thread on topic is to offer something of substance to said topic. The complaints about off topic stuff but then you have nothing you want to talk about or questions want answered are as exhausting as anything.

And now I’m complaining about complaining!
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Would you rather a TBoone/2008 son or Dale stepdaughter?
 
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Dale said:
The easiest way to get a thread on topic is to offer something of substance to said topic. The complaints about off topic stuff but then you have nothing you want to talk about or questions want answered are as exhausting as anything.

And now I’m complaining about complaining!
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Bitchin about people bitchin is always acceptable. We are men after all
 
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If Minchey wasn't vital to keep on the roster and away from the portal. Does his size/athleticism/speed really warrant a stand alone red zone package?
 
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slick7410 said:
If Minchey wasn't vital to keep on the roster and away from the portal. Does his size/athleticism/speed really warrant a stand alone red zone package?
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Minchey may not have been “vital to keep on the roster” when we had Angeli. But he is now.
And since he stuck we (the coaches) should consider finding ways to get him on the field and contributing, which is true of basically everyone on the two-deep at least. If nothing else you’d rather not have Minchey’s first game experience coming in an emergency injury situation.
 
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