'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[du Lac]

Sorry, I don't mean to disrespect the food thread, but after making some delicious sour cream dip, boredom sent me to youtube and then to this, which reminded me why this thread is now humorous...

 

[stlnd01]

I think this is as good a time as any to ask. Any of you guys ever eat Chinese pork buns? Sad to admit my first time this week. They are amazing.

Yes. You eat Chinese pork buns whenever possible.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Any noise out of Driskell about this? He was absolutely certain that we'd land Dante then he's shutting everything down and saying "there's a story".

While Mr Body by Bilt Bars is not my guy, he is right there is a story.

The departure from Dante is absolutely tied to Carrs. It happened well before the announcement and put Dante to move on. Dante was consistent he wasn’t going to commit early. But Rees got anxious. I like Carr no issue there. It’s the Reclass Option that had Dante leave.

I do like butter cups and Dim Sum but not pork buns.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

While Mr Body by Bilt Bars is not my guy, he is right there is a story.

The departure from Dante is absolutely tied to Carrs. It happened well before the announcement and put Dante to move on. Dante was consistent he wasn’t going to commit early. But Rees got anxious. I like Carr no issue there. It’s the Reclass Option that had Dante leave.

I do like butter cups and Dim Sum but not pork buns.

Please stop drinking.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Please stop drinking.

Sorry Bryan 🤡

 

[NDMatt91]

Agree completely. Rees and MF dropped the ball for '23 and I am not huge on the '22 effort by Rees. Dante's ass was kissed harder than any recruit in ND history. It was really quite pathetic to be honest. I hope they do not do this again. He needs a better strategy. ND fans and Rees are extremely lucky CJ Carr exists and committed when he did, or we might not have a great '22, no great '23, and nobody in mind for '24. Can you imagine what we'd be saying about Rees if CJ wasn't committed?

Absolutely. We’d all be saying something along the lines of, “You better help make TB into a top-tier college QB or you might want to get your resume ready. If you’re not cutting it from a recruiting standpoint and you can’t develop QB’s that are already on the roster, what exactly are you doing to benefit the program?”

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

At least mom and dad got some sweet Nike jobs. Totally worth it. Still not sure how it’s Legal.

 

[ulukinatme]

Don’t you get it??? Carr’s Reclass Option allows CJ to ensure no other QB of any gravitas comes in to spoil his ND stardom. ND is all-in for CJ Carr and his family. We will not be getting any Top 100 QB or 4 Star transfer to hurt CJ’s promised future.

Yes Rees got a 4.5 star QB for 2024 but in doing so sold Dante and 2023 cycle down the River. That is the ugly truth and many ND analysts don’t even want to discuss it.p

I've been on the Carr train since the announcement. Moore can kick rocks, I questioned the recruitment back in March. The coaches rolled out the red carpet for him and he kept leading them on. This is always how it was going to play out. Why are you on some kid's sack that doesn't want to be Irish? We handled things as best we could given the circumstances, getting Carr was the right move. It showed Moore wasn't that committed from the start. Give me more Carrs (Did I just say that?), less Moores.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Give me more Carrs (Did I just say that?), less Moores.

 

[Irish#1]

At least mom and dad got some sweet Nike jobs. Totally worth it. Still not sure how it’s Legal.

Wait until they find out the Nike jobs Phil lined up for them is working on the factory line in China.

 

[Irish#1]

I've been on the Carr train since the announcement. Moore can kick rocks, I questioned the recruitment back in March. The coaches rolled out the red carpet for him and he kept leading them on. This is always how it was going to play out. Why are you on some kid's sack that doesn't want to be Irish? We handled things as best we could given the circumstances, getting Carr was the right move. It showed Moore wasn't that committed from the start. Give me more Carrs (Did I just say that?), less Moores.

 

[Irish#1]

While Mr Body by Bilt Bars is not my guy, he is right there is a story.

The departure from Dante is absolutely tied to Carrs. It happened well before the announcement and put Dante to move on. Dante was consistent he wasn’t going to commit early. But Rees got anxious. I like Carr no issue there. It’s the Reclass Option that had Dante leave.

I do like butter cups and Dim Sum but not pork buns.

There's only one flaw in your theory. It happened because Dante & Co. moved the goal posts.

You only put sour cream on chili to mask the taste of the chili. You dudes need to get some new chili recipes.

 

[IrishLion]

The departure from Dante is absolutely tied to Carrs. It happened well before the announcement and put Dante to move on. Dante was consistent he wasn’t going to commit early. But Rees got anxious. I like Carr no issue there. It’s the Reclass Option that had Dante leave.

And for good reason.

When you stop recruiting every other quarterback in the '23 class because you're prized recruit tells you he's committed, but wants to finish his visits before going public, and then he starts to move the goalposts from what he told you during his campus visit, and dad starts to take the wheel of the recruitment and suddenly he doesn't look so committed anymore... you better be prepared to cut bait, either by opening up your '23 options, or by giving the kid in the next class the green light to at least get SOMETHING in the pipeline.

Rees and Freeman deserve criticism for putting so much faith in the Moore's to stick to whatever their plan was in March/April. Even if you want to show your loyalty, you probably shouldn't stop calling other QB's. You have to keep some type of line open somewhere.

However, I also think they deserve credit for taking a chance on a kid they view as a program-changer, and then having the balls to take a commitment from another kid when they knew it might fuck things up with their 'do or die' option in the '23 class, despite knowing what the outside perception would be, and knowing it meant they put a bunch of time and effort into a losing battle. It would have been easy for them to continue to wait for Dante, and then get burned, and also maybe miss their window with how willing Carr seemed to be to join the '24 class.

Or maybe they could have waited, and Carr would have committed down the line either way because of how much he loves ND.

I think they were smart to take Carr when they did, regardless of you beliefs on what they promised him or told him, etc. You've got a guy like Moore, who you've invested all kinds of time and effort in, and not only are you getting zero return on your shows of good faith, you're now getting into a timeline that could affect both the '23 and '24 classes.

On the flip side, you've got a guy in Carr that couldn't be more desperate to start recruiting for you, and who is ready to be a class leader and take the reigns. And he's the future QB! That's exactly what you want!

The Moore's turned it into a no-brainer, once Tommy and Freeman got the assurances they were looking for from Carr.

 

[Irish#1]

And for good reason.

When you stop recruiting every other quarterback in the '23 class because you're prized recruit tells you he's committed, but wants to finish his visits before going public, and then he starts to move the goalposts from what he told you during his campus visit, and dad starts to take the wheel of the recruitment and suddenly he doesn't look so committed anymore... you better be prepared to cut bait, either by opening up your '23 options, or by giving the kid in the next class the green light to at least get SOMETHING in the pipeline.

Rees and Freeman deserve criticism for putting so much faith in the Moore's to stick to whatever their plan was in March/April. Even if you want to show your loyalty, you probably shouldn't stop calling other QB's. You have to keep some type of line open somewhere.

However, I also think they deserve credit for taking a chance on a kid they view as a program-changer, and then having the balls to take a commitment from another kid when they knew it might fuck things up with their 'do or die' option in the '23 class, despite knowing what the outside perception would be, and knowing it meant they put a bunch of time and effort into a losing battle. It would have been easy for them to continue to wait for Dante, and then get burned, and also maybe miss their window with how willing Carr seemed to be to join the '24 class.

Or maybe they could have waited, and Carr would have committed down the line either way because of how much he loves ND.

I think they were smart to take Carr when they did, regardless of you beliefs on what they promised him or told him, etc. You've got a guy like Moore, who you've invested all kinds of time and effort in, and not only are you getting zero return on your shows of good faith, you're now getting into a timeline that could affect both the '23 and '24 classes.

On the flip side, you've got a guy in Carr that couldn't be more desperate to start recruiting for you, and who is ready to be a class leader and take the reigns. And he's the future QB! That's exactly what you want!

The Moore's turned it into a no-brainer, once Tommy and Freeman got the assurances they were looking for from Carr.

Bird in the hand.............

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson are stacked with four and five star QBs every year. The idea that a recruit can't handle another guy coming in before or after him in this era is pretty odd to me.

Maybe Oregon won't have that issue, but if they're dolling out sweet NIL deals, I'm guessing they're more than inclined to go after a 2024 five star and someone will be more than inclined to accept in order to go give Dante a run for his money up there.

 

[du Lac]

Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson are stacked with four and five star QBs every year. The idea that a recruit can't handle another guy coming in before or after him in this era is pretty odd to me.

Maybe Oregon won't have that issue, but if they're dolling out sweet NIL deals, I'm guessing they're more than inclined to go after a 2024 five star and someone will be more than inclined to accept in order to go give Dante a run for his money up there.

Once he saw more $ he split. It’s really that simple. You can’t look at the situation and think $ wasn’t all that mattered. He visited TAMU, LSU and OR. He looked at no schools that aren’t major NIL players. OR was highest bidder with least competition. ND took CJ bc he’s good. Had nothing to do with Dante. They F’d up the ‘23 recruiting and even the homers need to accept that. They did well for ‘24. While CJ is awesome, it doesn’t fix the void that is left in the ‘23 class bc of their poor strategy and unwillingness to bend it. Unless a reclassify happens, we are left with the situation where we will face a time when our starting QB is going to have to be a freshman or a not elite Steve Angeli. That’s kind of a big deal when you’re recruiting to win a NC. People will respond and say we’ll be fine or Angeli looks solid. Well, I don’t think the Irish are seeking fine and solid, just my opinion.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Once he saw more $ he split. It’s really that simple. You can’t look at the situation and think $ wasn’t all that mattered. He visited TAMU, LSU and OR. He looked at no schools that aren’t major NIL players. OR was highest bidder with least competition. ND took CJ bc he’s good. Had nothing to do with Dante. They F’d up the ‘23 recruiting and even the homers need to accept that. They did well for ‘24. While CJ is awesome, it doesn’t fix the void that is left in the ‘23 class bc of their poor strategy and unwillingness to bend it. Unless a reclassify happens, we are left with the situation where we will face a time when our starting QB is going to have to be a freshman or a not elite Steve Angeli. That’s kind of a big deal when you’re recruiting to win a NC. People will respond and say we’ll be fine or Angeli looks solid. Well, I don’t think the Irish are seeking fine and solid, just my opinion.

Sarkisian only offered one QB and got him. ND, while offering more than one, took their own gamble and went all in on Moore. There's always an element of risk in that scenario. If you get your man, you're genius gamblers. If you don't, you're idiots.

I'm in complete agreement that you need a star QB in the pipeline for every single class. How this plays out now I guess we'll see, but it can't end with 2023 coming to nothing in that position. Not with the talented class they're going to have everywhere else. It would be so typical to have a Top Five class but not have a QB in it.

 

[du Lac]

Sarkisian only offered one QB and got him. ND, while offering more than one, took their own gamble and went all in on Moore. There's always an element of risk in that scenario. If you get your man, you're genius gamblers. If you don't, you're idiots.

I'm in complete agreement that you need a star QB in the pipeline for every single class. How this plays out now I guess we'll see, but it can't end with 2023 coming to nothing in that position. Not with the talented class they're going to have everywhere else. It would be so typical to have a Top Five class but not have a QB in it.

I get it but Arch has been a Texas fan since he was in elementary school. He’s always wanted to go to Texas. Dante had no ties to ND at all. I think you have to carefully weigh it case by case. All in is a rare strategy used for the perfect fit that you feel overly confident about. Dante Moore and most other QBs don’t care if you make them your all in. Evidenced by the fact that they pick schools recruiting multiple kids for that class (OR). I never saw any sense in it with Dante. There were at least 5 other kids we should’ve gone after like gangbusters. One of them would’ve come along. Maybe Arnold and Vizz weren’t going to ND no matter what, but we didn’t press long and hard and at the worst Avery Johnson would’ve come for sure. There was no relationship left at that point. The only option for ‘23 is CJ imo. Anyone else is not going to be elite regardless at this point. It’s just a depth guy.

 

[Dale]

They F’d up the ‘23 recruiting and even the homers need to accept that.

So if CJ reclassifies to 2023 did they still fuck up 2023? If the backup plan to a 5 star QB was a 5 star QB? If they flip someone late like OSU flipped Devin Brown last cycle did they still fuck up 2023? Heck people were getting on Florida for missing on QB this cycle one day and then they had Marcus Stokes the next day.

I don’t get why we’re in a hurry to make sweeping statements in July. Let it play out.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Defends on to they get for 24..... It needs to be figured out soon

 

[du Lac]

So if CJ reclassifies to 2023 did they still fuck up 2023? If the backup plan to a 5 star QB was a 5 star QB? If they flip someone late like OSU flipped Devin Brown last cycle did they still fuck up 2023? Heck people were getting on Florida for missing on QB this cycle one day and then they had Marcus Stokes the next day.

I don’t get why we’re in a hurry to make sweeping statements in July. Let it play out.

No. I agree. If CJ is ‘23 it was an evil genius plan. It’s all speculation, I agree with you. But it seems like a screw up in the making. Flipping a 5 star seems unlikely to me at this point but maybe you’re right.

The minute he said, I want to see how they signed the #1 class when referring to TAMU, I knew we were wasting our time. I kept listening to Driskell drone on and on about how he’s a hard ND lean and all in is the right strategy. It always sounded like aggravatingly obvious bull shit.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

It’s very simple. You propose to a girl and she says yes. But she wants to keep it private. And see other dudes still. Just to be sure. Do you accept those terms? Or do you pivot to the just as hot side piece that can’t say yes quick enough. Seems obvious to me.

 

[stlnd01]

No. I agree. If CJ is ‘23 it was an evil genius plan. It’s all speculation, I agree with you. But it seems like a screw up in the making. Flipping a 5 star seems unlikely to me at this point but maybe you’re right.

The minute he said, I want to see how they signed the #1 class when referring to TAMU, I knew we were wasting our time. I kept listening to Driskell drone on and on about how he’s a hard ND lean and all in is the right strategy. It always sounded like aggravatingly obvious bull shit.

Flipping a five-star seems unlikely but we've still got plenty of time to flip a four-star with upside. Kenny Minchey (Pitt commit) for instance. Or maybe steal Rickie Collins from Purdue. Or even better it's Carr and there's a year to work on the '24 guy. Like Dale said, this isn't over yet.

 

[du Lac]

Flipping a five-star seems unlikely but we've still got plenty of time to flip a four-star with upside. Kenny Minchey (Pitt commit) for instance. Or maybe steal Rickie Collins from Purdue. Or even better it's Carr and there's a year to work on the '24 guy. Like Dale said, this isn't over yet.

Agree. I’d hope to hear some noise on a ‘23 if it were ever in the cards. Not hearing much might mean CJ. It’s easy for fans to assume they’re going to try and take another Angeli. Last years QB recruiting is still a bit traumatizing.

 

[Dale]

Flipping a five-star seems unlikely but we've still got plenty of time to flip a four-star with upside. Kenny Minchey (Pitt commit) for instance. Or maybe steal Rickie Collins from Purdue. Or even better it's Carr and there's a year to work on the '24 guy. Like Dale said, this isn't over yet.

I don’t think it’s likely either but in the it’s a results orientated business. I don’t think OSU knew or planned they were gonna flip a blue chip QB but they did it. Rees/Freeman have work to do but I just wanted to toss in those scenarios or examples while I’ve been seeing a lot of Rees this, 2023 that talk like it’s signing day already.

 

[Irishdrunk]

And for good reason.

When you stop recruiting every other quarterback in the '23 class because you're prized recruit tells you he's committed, but wants to finish his visits before going public, and then he starts to move the goalposts from what he told you during his campus visit, and dad starts to take the wheel of the recruitment and suddenly he doesn't look so committed anymore... you better be prepared to cut bait, either by opening up your '23 options, or by giving the kid in the next class the green light to at least get SOMETHING in the pipeline.

Rees and Freeman deserve criticism for putting so much faith in the Moore's to stick to whatever their plan was in March/April. Even if you want to show your loyalty, you probably shouldn't stop calling other QB's. You have to keep some type of line open somewhere.

However, I also think they deserve credit for taking a chance on a kid they view as a program-changer, and then having the balls to take a commitment from another kid when they knew it might fuck things up with their 'do or die' option in the '23 class, despite knowing what the outside perception would be, and knowing it meant they put a bunch of time and effort into a losing battle. It would have been easy for them to continue to wait for Dante, and then get burned, and also maybe miss their window with how willing Carr seemed to be to join the '24 class.

Or maybe they could have waited, and Carr would have committed down the line either way because of how much he loves ND.

I think they were smart to take Carr when they did, regardless of you beliefs on what they promised him or told him, etc. You've got a guy like Moore, who you've invested all kinds of time and effort in, and not only are you getting zero return on your shows of good faith, you're now getting into a timeline that could affect both the '23 and '24 classes.

On the flip side, you've got a guy in Carr that couldn't be more desperate to start recruiting for you, and who is ready to be a class leader and take the reigns. And he's the future QB! That's exactly what you want!

The Moore's turned it into a no-brainer, once Tommy and Freeman got the assurances they were looking for from Carr.

Trust me - that is exactly what happened. They took a 2024 QB from a well-known football family who happens to be actually OLDER than Dante and there was discussions or reclassifying to 2023. Part of this was ending the recruitment of Dante. They could have delayed or not agreed to suspend recruiting Dante but Rees didn't. They also agreed to stop recruiting Julian Sayin too FWIW. Sayin is a legit 5 Star that had ND at the top of his list.

There was a lot going on. ND fans here don't want to admit it but that is the case. Now, ND might look at QBs for 2023 that will make Angeli look like Joe Montana.

I like getting Carr for 2024 but not with pushing away from Dante. Rees should have taken Carr only for 2024 until Dante's recruitment was finished. That didn't happen.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I like getting Carr for 2024 but not with pushing away from Dante. Rees should have taken Carr only for 2024 until Dante's recruitment was finished. That didn't happen.

So wanted to go all in on Dante and pause the other 23 AND 24 QBs?
That's a bold strategy cotton.

 

[INLaw]

Bird in the hand.............

Non chicken or turkey, but other bird chili recipes… go

 

[317Irish]

It’s very simple. You propose to a girl and she says yes. But she wants to keep it private. And see other dudes still. Just to be sure. Do you accept those terms? Or do you pivot to the just as hot side piece that can’t say yes quick enough. Seems obvious to me.

You have both. Minus the marriage part. 50% of marriages end in divorce and 50% of 5* QB silent commitments end badly. Those are just facts (maybe?). What are we talking about again?

Oh, and my apologies to anyone offended by the mention of divorce.

 

[brewdog_14527]

Just saw some CB's flying in for Dylan Lonergan to Bama. Don't they already have Eli Holstien committed? That is 2 pretty high 4 star guys. So, who knows what is happening with QB's this year.