'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[DONTH8]

If Carr reclassifies to '23 and we get Sayin for '24...

 

[Domina Nostra]

If Carr reclassifies to '23 and we get Sayin for '24...

This is the kind of perfect recruiting scenario that I convince myself is going to happen every year and almost never does.

Here's hoping!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This is the kind of perfect recruiting scenario that I convince myself is going to happen every year and almost never does.

Here's hoping!

We've reportedly been in pole position for Moore, Carr and Sayin for a while now. I'd be thrilled to get just one of those guys. If we end up with two, I'll be over the moon.

 

[INLaw]

We've reportedly been in pole position for Moore, Carr and Sayin for a while now. I'd be thrilled to get just one of those guys. If end up with two, I'll be over the moon.

This is exactly right. If carr stays 24 do you think we need Avery Johnson or the new interest one or ok skipping a year?

 

[rikkitikki08]

Another thing I was thinking about, when MF let slip at the California boosters club that ND was going to have a generational talent at QB who says he was talking about Moore and not Carr? Sounds like Carr made up his mind awhile ago. Like others have said would love to read how all this went down behind closed doors

 

[INLaw]

Another thing I was thinking about, when MF let slip at the California boosters club that ND was going to have a generational talent at QB who says he was talking about Moore and not Carr? Sounds like Carr made up his mind awhile ago. Like others have said would love to read how all this went down behind closed doors

I cant wait to hear it. But, maybe never will. This is why I do not pay for subscription sites bc even after the fact they almost never spill the tea

 

[T-Boone]

this recruitment was painful (or at least the reporting of it) - glad it seems to be over. Go Sayin.

 

[NDFAN2008]

I think a few things played out here.
A. The staff was told he would commit publicly shortly after his visit in March and eventually got tired and fed up when he kept pushing and delaying everything and visiting more schools. At the end of the day you need a QB whose gonna start recruiting for their class and build it not wait, wait and wait.
B. Staff sees Carr as a better QB and put the full court press on whether he ends up in the 2023 or 2024 class I think the staff is confident enough in Buchner going forward until someone else is ready to take over.
C. I love that Carr is ready to get the ball rolling and not drag this out

 

[NDdomer2]

I think a few things played out here.
A. The staff was told he would commit publicly shortly after his visit in March and eventually got tired and fed up when he kept pushing and delaying everything and visiting more schools. At the end of the day you need a QB whose gonna start recruiting for their class and build it not wait, wait and wait.
B. Staff sees Carr as a better QB and put the full court press on whether he ends up in the 2023 or 2024 class I think the staff is confident enough in Buchner going forward until someone else is ready to take over.
C. I love that Carr is ready to get the ball rolling and not drag this out

Even if they don't view Carr as better, but equal or close, they put all their chips in on Moore for 2023. It left them with no bargaining power. Their only move then was to go to 24 class in order to reset their position in 23.

 

[arahop]

Why on earth would you stop recruiting him altogether? I'd like to hear that explained in a logical way.

I could understand the standpoint of 'were going to consider some other options now as well but the door is always open for Dante to commit'. But why would landing a '24 cause you to drop a '23 at any position? If Cam Williams were to commit should we stop recruiting Rico Flores and just offer Malik Elzy?

Agreed. Keep crootin him.

 

[IrishLax]

Here is the skinny on Dante Moore as far as I know:
1. He absolutely, 100% told ND coaches that he was coming. Call it a silent commitment or whatever, but he told them he was in but wanted to finish his visits before announcing.
2. He started going on his world tour of NIL schools and basically each one offered him a bag thinking he would commit and then he was like "nah I'm good." This is why so many schools were like "cautiously optimistic" and then went to "we aren't getting him, he must be locked in somewhere else (i.e. ND)" as soon as he turned down the money.
3. Many schools saw their only angle to be to neg recruit ND about their new, inexperienced staff and try to convince him to extend the process into the season to see the product on the field. I do not know the extent to which he was taking this to heart, but his public comments after some visits made it seem like he was buying the idea that extending the process could only help him.
4. The bigger issue is that by 1) showing tons of interest in NIL 2) focusing so much of his most recent visit to ND on NIL 3) waffling like crazy about his timeline... unless you are a rube, you have to start considering the potential that you're going to get dropped at the 11th hour for the "highest bidder" even if he did commit to ND.

At this point, I expect him to end up at LSU or Miami. He could end up at ND still, but he's being advised very poorly to end up anywhere that can't just sit on their hands and have their collectives engage in a bidding war. Miami did the right thing taking a contingency plan at QB and saying "well if you want our money, it'll still be here later in the cycle." LSU doing the same thing because they signed a 5-star last year. Those seem like the two schools that won't be turned off by his antics.

 

[IrishLax]

Another thing I was thinking about, when MF let slip at the California boosters club that ND was going to have a generational talent at QB who says he was talking about Moore and not Carr? Sounds like Carr made up his mind awhile ago. Like others have said would love to read how all this went down behind closed doors

The question he was asked and was responding to was specifically about Moore.

 

[Irish'15]

Every Carr is interested in Michigan rumor is going to be a repeating heart attack for the next 16 months. 1. Get the kid to reclassify. 2. Go get Julian Sayin. Or, at least go get Avery Johnson.

 

[MacIrish75]

Every Carr is interested in Michigan rumor is going to be a repeating heart attack for the next 16 months. 1. Get the kid to reclassify. 2. Go get Julian Sayin. 3. Sign a '23 kid, even if he's a small project with big upside (i.e., Avery Johnson).

Avery Johnson is not signing here if Carr reclassifies. The kid may be raw, but he’s a legit four star with an increasingly legit offer list.

 

[Irish'15]

Avery Johnson is not signing here if Carr reclassifies. The kid may be raw, but he’s a legit four star with an increasingly legit offer list.

Totally. It's too early. Haven't had my coffee. I changed my post to what my brain was thinking, not what I wrote down.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

How's LSUs new coach at develpoing QBs? I've heard he was a QB whisperer at Cincinnati.

 

[317Irish]

Every Carr is interested in Michigan rumor is going to be a repeating heart attack for the next 16 months. 1. Get the kid to reclassify. 2. Go get Julian Sayin. Or, at least go get Avery Johnson.

I could end up being wrong about this, but if Lloyd Carr’s grandson, who lives 15 minutes from the big house, has every chance to join Michigan and is expected to by the fan base, COMMITS TO ND 1.5 years before his signing day, why are you pushing this idea so hard that Michigan is a serious threat to flip him? I get that he’s young, crootin happens, etc., but if he wanted to commit there don’t you think he maybe would have just done it? This sure doesn’t feel like a McGreggor 2.0 with the kid playing the long game…

 

[Irish'15]

I could end up being wrong about this, but if Lloyd Carr’s grandson, who lives 15 minutes from the big house, has every chance to join Michigan and is expected to by the fan base, COMMITS TO ND 1.5 years before his signing day, why are you pushing this idea so hard that Michigan is a serious threat to flip him? I get that he’s young, crootin happens, etc., but if he wanted to commit there don’t you think he maybe would have just done it? This sure doesn’t feel like a McGreggor 2.0 with the kid playing the long game…

I'm sure he'll stick, but don't act like Harbaugh is going to let up. We desperately need a '24 QB, so I am ecstatic he's leaning ND. Let us not forget that his grandfather is Lloyd Carr. His maternal grandfather is Tom Curtis, a former All-American and College Football Hall of Fame Michigan safety. CJ’s father was a quarterback at Michigan in the 1990s. Carr’s mother, Tammi, also went to Michigan. He lives down the street from UofM. Again, not worried right now, but he's a unique prospect. He must want to break the cycle, cut his own path. Good for him. I really like his skills. He's a sophomore in high school. I'd feel even better if he was a '23 kid.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If Dante really does "chase the bag", I wish him all the best. He seems like a great kid, but I worry that this could be a case of "family/friends" swinging him towards the wrong motives. I want kids to have best ratio of academics/football success, possible.

I'm afraid there is going to be a lot of sad stories coming out from the NIL "consequences" over the next few years. Drama and heartbreak are sure to follow in and out of locker rooms. I do not want a kid like Dante to be caught in that crossfire, or any 17-22 year old for that matter. Not to mention financial/handler drama. Big money, big problems.

 

[NDMatt91]

If OU loses 4-5 games I wonder if we take another swing at Jackson Arnold, especially if his teammate Peyton Bowen can reaffirm his commitment to ND after his visit.

 

[Irish'15]

If Dante really does "chase the bag", I wish him all the best. He seems like a great kid, but I worry that this could be a case of "family/friends" swinging him towards the wrong motives. I want kids to have best ratio of academics/football success, possible.

I'm afraid there is going to be a lot of sad stories coming out from the NIL "consequences" over the next few years. Drama and heartbreak are sure to follow in and out of locker rooms. I do not want a kid like Dante to be caught in that crossfire, or any 17-22 year old for that matter. Not to mention financial/handler drama. Big money, big problems.

NIL is the perfect vehicle for coaches like Jimbo to use to manipulate and take advantage of underprivileged kids and their families. Chew you up and spit you out. NOT saying Dante is an underprivileged kid. For all I know he could be wealthy. Just making a general comment about many other kids. I think families that are a bit more economically advantaged can see through the bs and decide what's best for them long term.

 

[ResLife Hero]

So with the talk of reclassification, has anyone from his side ever mentioned an interest or ability to do so? Or are we just thinking about best case for ND?

 

[Irish'15]

So with the talk of reclassification, has anyone from his side ever mentioned an interest or ability to do so? Or are we just thinking about best case for ND?

Perhaps any thoughts of reclassifying is contingent upon how good or bad Buchner looks this season. The kid is only a sophomore in high school, but he just turned 17. He has time to get his classes taken care of and enter a year early if he wants. I'm sure it's not being mentioned right now because the staff still wants a '23 kid. Look for him to decide this in the fall.

 

[notredomer23]

Here is the skinny on Dante Moore as far as I know:
1. He absolutely, 100% told ND coaches that he was coming. Call it a silent commitment or whatever, but he told them he was in but wanted to finish his visits before announcing.
2. He started going on his world tour of NIL schools and basically each one offered him a bag thinking he would commit and then he was like "nah I'm good." This is why so many schools were like "cautiously optimistic" and then went to "we aren't getting him, he must be locked in somewhere else (i.e. ND)" as soon as he turned down the money.
3. Many schools saw their only angle to be to neg recruit ND about their new, inexperienced staff and try to convince him to extend the process into the season to see the product on the field. I do not know the extent to which he was taking this to heart, but his public comments after some visits made it seem like he was buying the idea that extending the process could only help him.
4. The bigger issue is that by 1) showing tons of interest in NIL 2) focusing so much of his most recent visit to ND on NIL 3) waffling like crazy about his timeline... unless you are a rube, you have to start considering the potential that you're going to get dropped at the 11th hour for the "highest bidder" even if he did commit to ND.

At this point, I expect him to end up at LSU or Miami. He could end up at ND still, but he's being advised very poorly to end up anywhere that can't just sit on their hands and have their collectives engage in a bidding war. Miami did the right thing taking a contingency plan at QB and saying "well if you want our money, it'll still be here later in the cycle." LSU doing the same thing because they signed a 5-star last year. Those seem like the two schools that won't be turned off by his antics

Do you think it's fair to say that he was coming and then the Nico $8MM news threw a major wrench it? IIRC, Moore had his March visit scheduled, and then about a week later that article dropped. I wouldn't even fault his dad/handlers if that was the case.

 

[Dale]

If all it was in the end was a normal silent commitment, I’d have to say disappointed in the handling of it. They clearly thought they had a read on how much Dante and his families word was worth and it was wrong.

 

[IrishLax]

Do you think it's fair to say that he was coming and then the Nico $8MM news threw a major wrench it? IIRC, Moore had his March visit scheduled, and then about a week later that article dropped. I wouldn't even fault his dad/handlers if that was the case.

Very well could be. I never connected the dots that way, but a lot of these guys are competitive and “if he’s getting $X then I should be getting $X” is basically how the NFL works for contract negotiations.

 

[Reaper97]

On a sidenote;

The Rivals National guy, Friedman, just put in a Futurecast for the #1 QB in ‘24, Jayden Davis, to Michigan.

WTF?

 

[Kingbish01]

What are the realistic odds Moore still joins the Irish...25%? Lower? It seems like he did drag his feet long enough that all places he was interested in will have a "Carr" on their roster. I've seen chatter about LSU, Howard is just as highly ranked as Carr, and he's from '22 so if he'd still go to LSU no reason he wouldn't still go to ND. I also feel the portal makes it easier for 2 studs to go to a school, compete and then after the chips fall the loser just transfers out.

 

[Dale]

These top recruits talk to each other nowadays so much that QB recruiting becomes a game of musical chairs where guys almost understand their time and place that hey if XYZ is going here, I’m gonna have to look at choosing between A and B soon. Look at Raoila already setting 2024 in motion. Dante seemed enamored with ND in the spring, but now almost seems fine with just saying okay who will be the last chair standing and I’ll just sit there.

 

[BoredIrish]

On a sidenote;

The Rivals National guy, Friedman, just put in a Futurecast for the #1 QB in ‘24, Jayden Davis, to Michigan.

WTF?

Win - win. If Davis doesnt go to Michigan... F Michigan.

If he does, it means Carr is solid to ND (which I think he will be anyways).