'23 MI QB Dante Moore (Greek Spaghetti Transfer)

[NDMatt91]

Do you think it's fair to say that he was coming and then the Nico $8MM news threw a major wrench it? IIRC, Moore had his March visit scheduled, and then about a week later that article dropped. I wouldn't even fault his dad/handlers if that was the case.

F*ck Heupel and f*ck Tennessee

 

[Irish#1]

We’ll see how this plays out but when you string coaches along, they’re eventually going to get tired of it. Especially when so much was at stake for you and your commitments.

I want a big time 2023 QB in the worst way but part of me is completely satisfied with these turn of events.

Man. Really seems like the Moore's over estimated their value here. Most of all the schools he visited have moved on.

I think maybe they did over estimate his value and continuing to string the staff along is only going to backfire in the end. I would love to have Moore in this class, but if he keeps moving the goal post, I can also see him ending up someplace that hasn't even been mentioned yet.

 

[Irish'15]

I think maybe they did over estimate his value and continuing to string the staff along is only going to backfire in the end. I would love to have Moore in this class, but if he keeps moving the goal post, I can also see him ending up someplace that hasn't even been mentioned yet.

I'm beginning to think he is going to have some big regrets about his indecisiveness. It's going to be slim pickings for him by the time he commits to another school. Not that anyone won't love to have him, he just might have to go where he'll ride pine. ND really was his best option.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Loy noted last week there was some frustration on the staffs part with how things have played out but everyone was still confident. This really shouldn’t be all that surprising if it plays out this way.

I would 100% tell Dante we’re going to keep recruiting you but you’ve lost the exclusivity deal while picking up the phone and calling Avery Johnson and Rickie Collins.

Is there any smoke to either of these recruitments? I suppose I was late tot he 2023 class since we've been so all-in on Moore since the Spring. I always thought it was Vizzina/Moore. Or are these just a couple of guys that we HOPE the staff reaches out to, since our main competition appears to be inferior programs in KSU and Purdue, respectively?

 

[Irish#1]

I'm sure he'll stick, but don't act like Harbaugh is going to let up. We desperately need a '24 QB, so I am ecstatic he's leaning ND. Let us not forget that his grandfather is Lloyd Carr. His maternal grandfather is Tom Curtis, a former All-American and College Football Hall of Fame Michigan safety. CJ’s father was a quarterback at Michigan in the 1990s. Carr’s mother, Tammi, also went to Michigan. He lives down the street from UofM. Again, not worried right now, but he's a unique prospect. He must want to break the cycle, cut his own path. Good for him. I really like his skills. He's a sophomore in high school. I'd feel even better if he was a '23 kid.

So what you're saying is the family has a long history of bad decisions. I can get behind that.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Full steam ahead.

 

[Irish#1]

These top recruits talk to each other nowadays so much that QB recruiting becomes a game of musical chairs where guys almost understand their time and place that hey if XYZ is going here, I’m gonna have to look at choosing between A and B soon. Look at Raoila already setting 2024 in motion. Dante seemed enamored with ND in the spring, but now almost seems fine with just saying okay who will be the last chair standing and I’ll just sit there.

I can't see that. These kids are competitive and if he's thinking that, it sounds more like a defeatist attitude.

Right or wrong, someone got into his ear and convinced him not to make an early commitment.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Full steam ahead.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

If Dante really does "chase the bag", I wish him all the best. He seems like a great kid, but I worry that this could be a case of "family/friends" swinging him towards the wrong motives. I want kids to have best ratio of academics/football success, possible.

I'm afraid there is going to be a lot of sad stories coming out from the NIL "consequences" over the next few years. Drama and heartbreak are sure to follow in and out of locker rooms. I do not want a kid like Dante to be caught in that crossfire, or any 17-22 year old for that matter. Not to mention financial/handler drama. Big money, big problems.

This is where I'm at. I was talking about that with a friend recently (who ironically is a scUM fan, but one of the very, very rare "decent" ones lol) that there are going to be a lot of really crazy/sad/funny stories about this NIL stuff. Right now it's a free-for-all, but wait a few years until those hindsight articles come out.

"Can you believe A&M paid $x.xxM for this player who flamed out?"

Imagine if we threw a bag at Dayne Crist....

 

[Dale]

I can't see that. These kids are competitive and if he's thinking that, it sounds more like a defeatist attitude.

Right or wrong, someone got into his ear and convinced him not to make an early commitment.

I wouldn’t expect it either but the spots are going away. ND. Rashada is gonna take a spot at one of his suitors. What if LSU wants to flip Rickie Collins and move on? 2024 5 stars at places of interest to him. He’s fine waiting and some schools will be too in the end like Lax said, but just not all of them.

 

[Irish'15]

So does this mean I should drag this photo into my trash?

 

[benneboy]

Sounds like it's not gonna happen and going to be super bummed if we miss out on this kid. Feel like he's the best qb in this class.

 

[ACamp1900]

Here is the skinny on Dante Moore as far as I know:

Anyone else just stop reading right there??? 🤣😂

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Sounds like it's not gonna happen and going to be super bummed if we miss out on this kid. Feel like he's the best qb in this class.

I agree, it is a huge bummer, but from what others are saying there are a lot of red flags. Not sure what those are (someone care to share?) but I felt like his moving the goal post was the biggest one.

Not sure if this is another calling his bluff kind of deal, or if we are really moving on. I am of the mindset that this is/could be a big mistake for Moore and his family. A ND degree is life changing, not just for him, but for future generations. A degree is a degree for the most part, but certain schools/networks stand out. ND/Harvard/Princeton/Stanford ect.... ND is in that elite tier of educations.

If he chases the bag and goes to a $$$chool, I wish him the best, but I am of the opinion he overplayed his hand.

 

[Luckylucci]

Is there any smoke to either of these recruitments? I suppose I was late tot he 2023 class since we've been so all-in on Moore since the Spring. I always thought it was Vizzina/Moore. Or are these just a couple of guys that we HOPE the staff reaches out to, since our main competition appears to be inferior programs in KSU and Purdue, respectively?

Avery Johnson has long been a target on the board for Rees. He was lock city if Rees pushed for him following his last visit. But once we got to evaluate more guys he moved down the board.

Rickie Collins is just a guy I like that’s getting a lot of big time attention. Apparently Ohio State is kicking the tires on him. He’s a quality prospect. And, yes, the competition for these two isn’t so fierce that we couldn’t make a late run. But, that’ll have to start soon.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Sounds like it's not gonna happen and going to be super bummed if we miss out on this kid. Feel like he's the best qb in this class.

Yeah, I'm very high on him.

One way or another I expect the Carr news to tear off the band aid here. If Moore or others in his camp thought ND (or people around the program) were sitting on a better offer then that notion is probably dispelled. The Irish are no longer in a potentially desperate situation.

I guess we will see.

 

[Irish'15]

Avery Johnson has long been a target on the board for Rees. He was lock city if Rees pushed for him following his last visit. But once we got to evaluate more guys he moved down the board.

Rickie Collins is just a guy I like that’s getting a lot of big time attention. Apparently Ohio State is kicking the tires on him. He’s a quality prospect. And, yes, the competition for these two isn’t so fierce that we couldn’t make a late run. But, that’ll have to start soon.

Johnson is an even better runner than Buchner. He has boom or bust potential at QB. I doubt he busts. But his boom potential is high. His Elite 11 qualification means he's a legit passer. Even if he fell short as a QB, which I highly doubt, he could transition into an elite WR. He's one of the best athletes in the entire class, regardless of position. He has some basketball film that is pretty legit, dunking all over people. Also apparently an accomplished track star. He would be a huge pickup as the #10 overall QB and best athlete in the '23 class at the position. IMO he has the most potential in the '23 class to end up being that most underrated QB years later.

 

[pumpdog20]

I agree, it is a huge bummer, but from what others are saying there are a lot of red flags. Not sure what those are (someone care to share?) but I felt like his moving the goal post was the biggest one.

Not sure if this is another calling his bluff kind of deal, or if we are really moving on. I am of the mindset that this is/could be a big mistake for Moore and his family. A ND degree is life changing, not just for him, but for future generations. A degree is a degree for the most part, but certain schools/networks stand out. ND/Harvard/Princeton/Stanford ect.... ND is in that elite tier of educations.

If he chases the bag and goes to a $$$chool, I wish him the best, but I am of the opinion he overplayed his hand.

A multi million $ NIL deal is far more life changing then a degree from ND, don't kid yourself. This whole notion that Moore has to go to ND to better his life is dumb.

With that said, I hope they still get Moore. I don't understand why Carr would change the narrative.

 

[Irish'15]

Not true.

A multi million $ NIL deal is far more life changing then a degree from ND, don't kid yourself. This whole notion that Moore has to go to ND to better his life is dumb.

With that said, I hope they still get Moore. I don't understand why Carr would change the narrative.

Not totally true. First, many kids and their families may blow that money. This is common in other cases of quick cash like social media fame, lottery winnings, short NFL stints. I also feel it will end up resulting in a disincentive for a variety of these kids to reach their potential both in their careers and in the NFL, where the real wealth is built. Would I take the highest bidder? Hard to say. I think I have savvy parents and wealthy family members that might level with me and steer me in the direction of long term wealth. Second, when the big picture was laid out for me to understand, I think I'd choose the academic school that offers me a disciplined, structured, and enriching environment, with early PT potential, that was also paying me a good amount and setting me up for success in the NFL or a 50 year career to fall back on/do when I was tired of the NFL. So, IDK. Particularly if my parents were as naive as me. But, if I was offered a decent amount of money at the school I really fit at, I would forgo the extra cash elsewhere. It's not as cut and dry as big NIL at podunk U vs no money and elite degree. It's a 50 year decision. Is there a big difference between a TAMU/LSU degree vs a ND/Stanford degree? Hell yes. Does it make up for an $8 million NIL deal when you factor in that a school like ND/Stanford are also paying kids a good amount? I guarantee it.

 

[arndtjc]

Full steam ahead.

 

[NDty9]

What did I miss as far as to why " it seems like this definitely isnt going to happen" ?? Did loy or someone say something? Or are we just assuming hes going that because he hasn't committed yet, and CJ will be, that he will back off?

 

[Blazers46]

Full steam ahead.

Coming from the resident turtle this recruitment is going at a fast snails pace....

 

[Dale]

What did I miss as far as to why " it seems like this definitely isnt going to happen" ?? Did loy or someone say something? Or are we just assuming hes going that because he hasn't committed yet, and CJ will be, that he will back off?

It seems they have Carr now, and continuing to play games with Dante Moore into the fall is not worth risking any part of the relationship Carr.

 

[tussin]

Is ND not dropping NIL bags? We should be dropping bags with the best of them. This is the world we live in!

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

It appears pretty much every top tier program alternates 4* and 5* QBs every year. I still don't understand how taking Carr would preclude Moore. Though it does seem like a convenient excuse.

 

[ACamp1900]

Is ND not dropping NIL bags? We should be dropping bags with the best of them. This is the world we live in!

Feels like we are turning into the corner dealer operating out of a trailer park slinging dime bags of stress trying to keep up with the Tony Montana's of the world.

 

[Irish'15]

It seems they have Carr now, and continuing to play games with Dante Moore into the fall is not worth risking any part of the relationship Carr.

Could they be playing head games with Dante before his TAMU visit? I am hoping to start hearing more rumors about Avery Johnson as he is apparently committing before his Elite 11 Finals, so that must be within the next couple weeks. I think it's full speed ahead for AJ or he gone.

 

[stlnd01]

Could they be playing head games with Dante before his TAMU visit? I am hoping to start hearing more rumors about Avery Johnson as he is apparently committing before his Elite 11 Finals, so that must be within the next couple weeks. I think it's full speed ahead for AJ or he gone.

Isn't Rashada scheduled to announce his commitment like while Moore is on his TAMU visit? And TAMU is maybe in the lead for Rashada?

Dante gonna wind up at Miami, isn't he?

 

[NDMatt91]

It appears pretty much every top tier program alternates 4* and 5* QBs every year. I still don't understand how taking Carr would preclude Moore. Though it does seem like a convenient excuse.

It just doesn't make any sense. Dante is going to be on campus a full year before CJ. Additionally, if it takes ND out then why doesn't it take A&M or LSU out? A&M signed a 5* QB in the 2022 class and they're the favorite for a 5* QB in the 2024 class. LSU just signed Walker Howard.

 

[Irish'15]

It just doesn't make any sense. Dante is going to be on campus a full year before CJ. Additionally, if it takes ND out then why doesn't it take A&M or LSU out? A&M signed a 5* QB in the 2022 class and they're the favorite for a 5* QB in the 2024 class. LSU just signed Walker Howard.

I think the staff saw what we all saw with the TAMU comments and visit. That Dante wants the highest bidder and his college choice has less to do with academics, teammates, or his future draft stock and has everything to do with pay me right now. CJ literally stated he wanted to commit early to help his team recruit. Those are very different character kids right there. I don't know Dante so I won't judge his character, but visiting only big NIL schools with 0 connection to the state of Texas says a lot, lol.