'23 LA QB Arch Manning (Texas Signee)

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Arch is definitely a better prospect than Nick Montana. I never compared the two based on their playing style, athleticism, arm strength or any evaluation piece. As a matter of fact I never “compared” them at all. Nick was just an example of someone who was well thought of out of high school but hit his peak early. There are many other examples but the point was sometimes kids peak early and do not progress much further. This is more typical in kids with quite a bit of development out of high school, than someone who is raw without much refining, IMO.

I got your point I think just tossing out someone so odd as Montana just drew some weird looks lol. Maybe like a Jake Fromm would hit closer (not that I agree but just to sub someone else in)
 

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I got your point I think just tossing out someone so odd as Montana just drew some weird looks lol. Maybe like a Jake Fromm would hit closer (not that I agree but just to sub someone else in)

Sure, and I am not saying that Arch won’t be a star at the college level and beyond either. I’ve watched the film and he deserves his rating, IMO. He has the tools to be great, and again the pedigree to go with that.

The initial comment was just an observation in relation to potential downfalls of those who may have peaked too early. Nothing more than that. Didn’t mean to get everyone’s parties in a bunch.
 

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I don't know why you guys are so high on Blake Fisher. He could be one of those guys who peaked in high school like John Montelus. John was highly thought of coming out of high school.
 

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The only problem with taking a QB this refined and developed out of high school is there is a potential the ceiling has been hit already. He’s likely had all the training one can get at the position and looks to have developed real well, but could be close to his peak. See Nick Montana...

How defined and developed was Jimmy Clausen as a high school player? For my money, maybe he's a better example?

Not of Manning pedigree but he had two older brothers who played the position and it was well documented that he had a lot of private coaching and development that his parents paid for.

I get what you're saying here, but Nick Montana as the example is where I disagree.
 

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How defined and developed was Jimmy Clausen as a high school player? For my money, maybe he's a better example?

Not of Manning pedigree but he had two older brothers who played the position and it was well documented that he had a lot of private coaching and development that his parents paid for.

I get what you're saying here, but Nick Montana as the example is where I disagree.

There are definitely better examples that I could have used. Essentially, just speaking in terms of those who have had access to elite level training/coaching at an early age. Jimmy would be similar in that regard and faired well at the college level.
 

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[TWEET]https://twitter.com/hayesfawcett3/status/1401270411954954241?s=21[/TWEET]

He may be up to 265 but still hanging on to that TE/ATH tag not just DE lol

This clip went viral all because of that little ball flip he gives it. I posted it on Matayo’s thread because I thought a 6’6 265 guy running verts was more notable than a deep ball by Arch. Boy is this recruitment gonna be a show as he hits places to visit. If the media is allowed at Arch’s ND visit at least
 

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Crus/Dale what would you say ND's chances are here? Is it like a deep ball from Book (no shot)?

I'm as invested in Arch as I was in Hunter Johnson as soon as 5*Phil's sophomore shenanigans started to leak out.

On the heels of Angeli, I'd take a QB that had some upside at WR/DB/LB but... That said, I still think they're going to circle back to Dorman real quick.
 

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There are definitely better examples that I could have used. Essentially, just speaking in terms of those who have had access to elite level training/coaching at an early age. Jimmy would be similar in that regard and faired well at the college level.

QB1 used to be the kid who was your best athlete. Now just about everywhere you go you have kids getting private coaching and or extra work on the side from outside of the high school program. It's taken a lot of the natural selection out of the process from what I've been told from friends who coach HS varsity. Just about all these kids are getting coached privately on the side, and for big money too, and we're talking about 5-10, 180 lb varsity QBs that won't play Division III. It's pretty normal as I understand it.

In this scenario, we're talking about football QB royalty, the highest level there can possibly be at the moment. It's the Mannings. That being said, I do agree with your point that a lot of these guys are often like robots by their senior years and they can't cope from time to time when they have to improvise in real time reps during games. In this scenario, however, I think we're dealing with something far different. This isn't the SoCal Steve Clarkson flavor of the year kid from Mater Dei HS that's going to flame out after SC in his first two years in the NFL. I'd bet money on Arch Manning probably making it.
 

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Sure, and I am not saying that Arch won’t be a star at the college level and beyond either. I’ve watched the film and he deserves his rating, IMO. He has the tools to be great, and again the pedigree to go with that.

The initial comment was just an observation in relation to potential downfalls of those who may have peaked too early. Nothing more than that. Didn’t mean to get everyone’s parties in a bunch.

Those are guys that typically couldn't handle the mental aspect at the next level. Will he remember the different looks thrown at him and process them quickly? Given he's been around some pretty good FB players and been on the sidelines at college and pro practices and games, I suspect he isn't going to be intimidated.
 

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More likely, Arch had secret visit to ND or Joe might be mistaken?
 

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More likely, Arch had secret visit to ND or Joe might be mistaken?

If it happened, probably set it up to be very limited with just BK or BK and Tommy and at a time when there weren't many eyeballs around.
 

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Arch Manning has narrowed his list to Bama, UGA, Clemson, Ole Miss and Texas. No surprise that we didn't make the list. I think this is going to come down to Texas and Bama.
 

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Arch Manning has narrowed his list to Bama, UGA, Clemson, Ole Miss and Texas. No surprise that we didn't make the list. I think this is going to come down to Texas and Bama.

I do think Ole Miss will have a legit shot, with the families history at that school the NIL money could set s record not even T&AM could match.
 

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Arch is gonna sign a contract in high school bigger than Peyton or Eli ever did in the pros.

No italics.

You are probably right. I truly hope he has a nice career and does great things in CFB and NFL, but it might take a player/person with hype like this to fall flat to open some NIL eyes. It is truly the wild west with this stuff.
 

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I do think Ole Miss will have a legit shot, with the families history at that school the NIL money could set s record not even T&AM could match.

If NIL money is a major consideration, then Texas with the oil money has to be the favorite, right? IIRC Sark is also friends with the Mannings.
 

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highly doubt the Manning's want NIL money would they? It seems very crass to me i doubt they'd wanna be beholden to some fat booster guy in texas
 

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I think less kids are NIL focused then we are thinking in many cases. For example Carnell Tate said last night NIL is certainly a factor but him and his family aren’t too worried about it because getting on the field is where you really make your money. Some of these kids are in a position where money coming in NOW is life changing already. Some just want it. And some likely have families that don’t want to have their kid making that decision yet, and know that if they ball, the money will come regardless. That’s I’d guess where Arch falls in. Caleb Williams for example as well. The money is gonna come if he’s the first overall pick, that’s priority #1 over some NIL bridge.
 

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highly doubt the Manning's want NIL money would they? It seems very crass to me i doubt they'd wanna be beholden to some fat booster guy in texas

NIL isn't a factor for Arch in where he will go. It will be a 100% "business" decision in that whichever coach and program they feel will be best for him in his career, they will choose.

Arch can make ~ 1.5mil, per year, minimum, wherever he decides to go. NIL considerations will be thoroughly scrutinized and vetted, and ones bringing attention to himself will be discarded. Arch's dad, grandfather, and uncles have already been meeting with agents and money managers regarding Arch.
 

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Figured ND wouldn’t make the list but I am surprised at the fact that he didn’t visit at least.
or had he visited prior??
 

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highly doubt the Manning's want NIL money would they? It seems very crass to me i doubt they'd wanna be beholden to some fat booster guy in texas

I did say "IF", then it might be Texas. Having said that, I don't think it would be priority 1 either. I also don't see them turning it away if it fits with the other requirements. You never know when your career will end. Regardless I don't see them being beholden to anyone if they sign a NIL contract.
 
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