'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

[T Town Tommy]

Whiskey finally getting to be the bully he always dreamed of

terrible post. You talk about substance, where is any of that in this post?

Whiskey finally getting to be the bully he always dreamed of. To say GTFO to someone that hasn't even come close to crossing the line is pretty bad.

You talk about substance, where is any of that in this post to explain what was said that's wrong? All this reads as is you haven't been here long enough to have an opinion that isn't popular.

No need to defend whiskey but I will. He’s the main reason I am out here as a fan of a different team. As long as you base your opinions on the subject matter in a halfway coherent manner then it’s ok. But when you post opinions based on nothing this IE crew isn’t going to let you slide. Whiskey shows more grace than anyone on this site. But if you can do no more on this forum what you have done thus far, whiskey doesn’t mind showing you the door.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Bro post shutout of Michigan I said BVG gave us a schematic advantage. Of course I was shitfaced drunk at the time but dear lord that post still haunts me.

HA. I too was on the BVG bandwagon for a hot minute, but I got off it quicker than some, and WAYYYY quicker than Kelly.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Relentlessly negative; insubstantial, emotionally-driven posts; and disrespectful of others. Just like your post here. I explained it clearly and several times in the post your quoted.

You were tagged in it for a reason. Do better, or get banned.

you attacked him in the post without explaining what he said that crossed the line. You just made it clear that what he's saying comes off like a "broken record" and you'd rather have a broken record that is positive. My take is, yeah, the record is broken because a lot of the same issues that has prevented us from winning a title over the last 30 years are still relevant.

I'd love to talk about Freeman's scheme, lack of adjustments(if i'm wrong or right), what we think Golden will do different. But once someone reads that as "freeman's not perfect" end of discussion, what's wrong with you, etc etc. Instead it's who can paraphrase some other sites intel the fastest that gets the likes lately.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

So you're the one who started the BVG is a Gangsta thread

That fist pump was legendary

 

[PutuporShutup]

No need to defend whiskey but I will. He’s the main reason I am out here as a fan of a different team. As long as you base your opinions on the subject matter in a halfway coherent manner then it’s ok. But when you post opinions based on nothing this IE crew isn’t going to let you slide. Whiskey shows more grace than anyone on this site. But if you can do no more on this forum what you have done thus far, whiskey doesn’t mind showing you the door.

That's great, i'm glad mods have grace. Not completely seeing it right now.

It's exciting times for ND football, that comes with new posters. I've read this site for over 10 years and am familiar with the personalities to an extent. It feels like a country club that extended it's membership but some members are trying to protect the old instead of willing to appreciate the old and welcome the new. Not asking for a red carpet welcome, but just good conversation and debate when needed.

 

[IrishLax]

you attacked him in the post without explaining what he said that crossed the line. You just made it clear that what he's saying comes off like a "broken record" and you'd rather have a broken record that is positive. My take is, yeah, the record is broken because a lot of the same issues that has prevented us from winning a title over the last 30 years are still relevant.

I'd love to talk about Freeman's scheme, lack of adjustments(if i'm wrong or right), what we think Golden will do different. But once someone reads that as "freeman's not perfect" end of discussion, what's wrong with you, etc etc. Instead it's who can paraphrase some other sites intel the fastest that gets the likes lately.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Not trying to gang up on you, because as Whiskey mentioned, we have several long-time posters that shade toward being the “negative” guys, or at least are careful not to let their highs get too high. And this board in general trends toward a more positive, rosy outlook than the other boards, so we need those voices… but those voices are held to a higher standard, because they naturally cause more of a reaction.

And the problems crop up when you take everything personally when you get challenged on your negativity, and act like you’re the only smart person in the room because you’re acknowledging “facts” that the Pollyanna's won’t. You accuse others of acting like toddlers, but you seem to be the one stamping your feet about knowing what it takes for ND to win a natty, everyone else’s potential positivity be damned.

We call this the “Koonja Method.” Never agree with anyone about anything remotely positive, entrench yourself in negative stances as a contrarian because you think it brings value, refuse to admit happiness about things every now and again (or act like an arrogant smartass dickhead when you do), and generally do nothing but get into roundabout debates about your negativity where you can never be “wrong” because you somehow have a wider perspective than people that choose to be positive.

The thing is: your perspective is as narrow as the other side’s… the difference is that yours will always be open to challenge because of how people react to negativity, and you know it, but you will be the guy getting “attacked” for being a “realist.”

It’s a cycle, and after so long, whether intentional or not, you’ve become a troll who’s only purpose is to debate, belittle and annoy people you disagree with… which will be most of the board.

We’ve seen this movie on this board a bunch of times, but somehow we always come out on top as the best place on the internet to talk Irish football. So try to throw the other side a bone or two sometimes, and stick around. Eventually, ACamp will attack you for your Mexican food preferences, and then you will REALLY be part of the family.

Where is the football aspect of football on the board lately? That's what I miss. Of course recruiting is crucial right now. I'm waiting for the Fall Camp Threads to start to discuss players, X's O's, coaches, schedule, etc.

 

[PutuporShutup]

 

[PutuporShutup]

Yeah for anything mean you say you have to say something nice

"Tommy Rees can't recruit, can't run away from cops, can't coach, and can't grow a beard to save his life -- but I really liked the coach's polo he was wearing yesterday, anyone know where I can get one?" <---perfectly balanced

Help me out. I need a signature for all my posts that randomly says nice things about ND players and coaches each time I post at the very bottom.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

you attacked him in the post without explaining what he said that crossed the line. You just made it clear that what he's saying comes off like a "broken record" and you'd rather have a broken record that is positive. My take is, yeah, the record is broken because a lot of the same issues that has prevented us from winning a title over the last 30 years are still relevant.

No one here is unaware of that. If you want to beat that drum though, you'd better bring some level of insight or analysis to it. Otherwise it's just fucking annoying. This is a community that formed long before you started posting here. You don't have a right to post whatever you want. If you'd like to remain a part of this conversation, you can conform yourself to us or you can leave. We're not conforming ourselves to you.

I'd love to talk about Freeman's scheme, lack of adjustments(if i'm wrong or right), what we think Golden will do different.

Great. Let's see some substantive posts on those subjects then. I've not seen anything from you along those lines yet.

But once someone reads that as "freeman's not perfect" end of discussion, what's wrong with you, etc etc.

We've given you lots of slack thus far. You're getting downvotes and negative responses because you're annoying and bringing nothing of substance. Start contributing more substantively, and that'll change. We're not looking to pump sunshine here. But we're also not going to tolerate low value hand-wringing every time we experience a setback in recruiting. Have some consideration for whether anyone is going to want to read what you're posting.

Instead it's who can paraphrase some other sites intel the fastest that gets the likes lately.

No shit? The posters that are substantively contributing to the site by bringing intel are rightfully held in high esteem. The concept of "substance" seems to elude you. And this may be the first time anyone has ever complained about people sharing real info here.

 

[dankgesang]

It's like NDNation planned a hostile take over. Idk what else to think. It's been insufferable.

This seems unlikely, given that the ratio of times that board is mentioned here vs. other way around is hovering steadily around infinity (ed:undefined, you filthy pedants.)

 

[PutuporShutup]

No one here is unaware of that. If you want to beat that drum though, you'd better bring some level of insight or analysis to it. Otherwise it's just fucking annoying. This is a community that formed long before you started posting here. You don't have a right to post whatever you want. If you'd like to remain a part of this conversation, you can conform yourself to us or you can leave. We're not conforming ourselves to you.

Great. Let's see some substantive posts on those subjects then. I've not seen anything from you along those lines yet.

We've given you lots of slack thus far. You're getting downvotes and negative responses because you're annoying and bringing nothing of substance. Start contributing more substantively, and that'll change. We're not looking to pump sunshine here. But we're also not going to tolerate low value hand-wringing every time we experience a setback in recruiting. Have some consideration for whether anyone is going to want to read what you're posting.

No shit? The posters that are substantively contributing to the site by bringing intel are rightfully held in high esteem. The concept of "substance" seems to elude you. And this may be the first time anyone has ever complained about people sharing real info here.

That's fine. My A game is ready.

Only thing to add is the "substance" intel that's been shared a lot lately involving almost every recruitment seems to just be people's opinions without much fact. Not sure anyone has been very accurate. It's more like paraphrasing other people's opinions than actual intel.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That's fine. My A game is ready.

Only thing to add is the "substance" intel that's been shared a lot lately involving almost every recruitment seems to just be people's opinions without much fact. Not sure anyone has been very accurate. It's more like paraphrasing other people's opinions than actual intel.

Most people here don't have subscriptions to one of the pay sites, so even something as simple as "Loy/ Singer/Driskell thinks X..." is helpful.

 

[NDdomer2]

found one of the dupes via negative reaction to whiskeys post.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Great. Bama's last DE drafted was Terrell Lewis in 2020, Round 3. NDs had two in '21 (Hayes and Ogundeji, both rd. 5) and Okwara ('20, rd. 3) since then. lol

 

[Irish#1]

First, a lot of fans just don't realize what needs to occur on the trail for ND to be a legit perennial national championship contender

Even if ND does keep Keeley and Bowen, thats like pissing into the ocean compared to Bama, Georgia, and OSU

Additional guys like M'Pemba, Downs, D Moore, J Moore, Tate, etc needed to be added too

And then those results would need to be replicated in the next two classes as well

Second, some people just inherently don't want to hear bad news nor deal well with hearing dissenting points of view

You can tell those types on message boards fairly easily as they reflexively respond to any type of critique as "overly negative" or "trolls" or "doom and gloom"

They just attack the poster and not the post. Because frankly they don't really have any good point to refute--they just don't like hearing something that doesn't reflect their world view

Picture a toddler with his hands on his ears screaming "la la la"--thats them

1. Your act of being intellectually superior to the rest of us IE members when it comes to FB IQ isn't sitting well. If you have the FB IQ, we'll recognize it. No need to tell us.
2. How did you come up with the idea that you are smarter than the rest of us?
3. There are plenty of posters on IE that know what they're talking about. I've been following ND football since 1960. That must make me a f@cking genius!
4. Everyone on IE can handle bad news or dissenting points of view. No one wants sunshine pumped up their ass all the time, but no one wants to see the same tiring doom and gloom posts all the time. Bring something fresh beside MF can't coach.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Great. Bama's last DE drafted was Terrell Lewis in 2020, Round 3. NDs had two in '21 (Hayes and Ogundeji, both rd. 5) and Okwara ('20, rd. 3) since then. lol

Right. The Keeleys are clearly being told that: (1) Keon has a better chance of going in the first round from 'Bama than ND; and (2) he'll make more NIL at 'Bama than ND. Neither one of those things is likely true.

 

[Irish#1]

You guys are missing the point on the Fiesta Bowl

Nobody is saying the issue was that Freeman and ND didn't prepare for the bowl like Bama did for the 2012 BCS Championship game

If anything, ND and Freeman actually seemed well prepared based upon the start

Issue is the epic 2nd half collapse and failure by Freeman to correct the issue IN GAME

Its not like he had his laptop out on the sideline and was working on the 2022 fall camp practice schedule

This other notion that Freeman could've jumped in at any time and remedied the defense is also a narrative spin

We're supposed to believe that he would just stand completely stoic whilst the opponent went up and down the field in second half?

He's going to take the L in his first game ever as a HC to ensure that the dline coach whom he didn't hire and had only known for about 10.5 months got a completely fair shake?

Blindly simping for new HC hires--you'd think ND fans would've learned that lesson by now

Not missing it at all. You seem to forget that MF was without his best defensive player and one of his best offensive players. One could have erased quite a few plays and the other could have kept the clock running and probably hit on a home run.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

found one of the dupes via negative reaction to whiskeys post.

Let me guess Dankesgang is 9 is put up or shut up?

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Thank you, No I wasnt planning on doing the trolling thing. Just to talk recruiting and football

Then you're certainly in the right place! Welcome to the board.

 

[Irish#1]

I am convinced some of these new handles are the same individual.

You might be right.

 

[IrishLax]

Help me out. I need a signature for all my posts that randomly says nice things about ND players and coaches each time I post at the very bottom.

TBH I agree with this. I fucking haaaaaaate the summer when it's all just recruiting nonsense and clickbait.

Can't wait for fall camp.

 

[Prof K]

Maybe I have a weird sense of optimism, but every time I log in and find there is no actual Keeley de-commitment, my optimism grows. Also, if I were a 5 star it would also annoy me if another 5 star were to take credit in advance for "flipping me". This decision ought to be more about Mr. Keeley, and less about Mr. Young. The fact that he is visiting beyond Alabama (possibly the local Florida schools), also suggests to me that this may be more about the process than about Alabama. If he goes to UF, Miami or even FSU, he will find that ND is the one that stands apart. Conversely, if it is only about football and first round draft status, he could close it down with the Alabama visit. I am an academic VP, not a sports expert so this is all uniformed conjecture and thought.

 

[9_To_Your_Temple_Presto]

No one minds seeing low-value but harmless positivity like "Go Irish!" It's easy enough to just scroll past. But the low-value negativity elicits similarly low-value responses, which derails the entire thread. Thus, the higher standard for negative posts.

Check out @Luckylucci's post history for an example of someone who's generally negative but does so in a substantive and respectful way. We're trying to grow this board, so I'm not nearly as quick on the bans as I used to be. Just tone things down a bit and stick around a while.

Thank you

All I was looking for was that key confession/admission that the inane positivity gets a pass around here--been trying to establish existence of that phenomenon since joined after observing during lurking period

Its your site so don't begrudge you running it how see fit

Good luck on growing the business

 

[Deirishpisser]

Thank you

All I was looking for was that key confession/admission that the inane positivity gets a pass around here--been trying to establish existence of that phenomenon since joined after observing during lurking period

Its your site so don't begrudge you running it how see fit

Good luck on growing the business

Why do you deserve this admission? I am new, and I don't need that. Why cant you just accept how the site is and deal with it and not try and prove some point. This site is free. The people that run it, do a lot for free. Not sure why you are entitled to some apologies around here.

 

[stlnd01]

Maybe in addition to flying Foskey to Vegas to unveil a uniform we could fly him to Tampa to sit down with the Keeley fam.

 

[du Lac]

ND needs to pony up and get Keeley his cash. If CJ Carr really is getting a mill from ND, which has been rumored, Keeley should get at least as much. He’s key to moving the needle. The chances Keely won’t be good are less than Carr and the revenue he will generate is so much more than a million it’s ridiculous. His recruitment was more important than Dante.

 

[irishog77]

Back in to see Whiskey doing what he does best!

It's a two-fer advantage: reading vintage Whiskey AND it breaks the summer doldrums when dudes feel compelled to post about boring ass shit like baseball and food.

 

[irishff1014]

Right. The Keeleys are clearly being told that: (1) Keon has a better chance of going in the first round from 'Bama than ND; and (2) he'll make more NIL at 'Bama than ND. Neither one of those things is likely true.

And we have one of the best d-line coaches in the country.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

ND needs to pony up and get Keeley his cash. If CJ Carr really is getting a mill from ND, which has been rumored, Keeley should get at least as much. He’s key to moving the needle. The chances Keely won’t be good are less than Carr and the revenue he will generate is so much more than a million it’s ridiculous. His recruitment was more important than Dante.

Care to elaborate on this? Not disagreeing, but never thought about the odds of a QB being "good" being better or worse than a DE.