2025 Transfer Portal

[gregm83]

I have a question.

I've seen multiple times here that Oregon made a run at Love in Dec. Is that allowed, or is that some sort of violation. Like can teams just look at guys and say "I want him, let's make him an offer" regardless if they are in the portal or not? Or is that just the simple grey area that can never be policed?

Allowed no. But a friend can be called to discuss money and easily get around whatever nonsense the rules are right now.

 

[IrishLax]

I have a question.

I've seen multiple times here that Oregon made a run at Love in Dec. Is that allowed, or is that some sort of violation. Like can teams just look at guys and say "I want him, let's make him an offer" regardless if they are in the portal or not? Or is that just the simple grey area that can never be policed?

Oregon and Miami both massively cheat. Every school does some amount of back channeling and tampering but they are extremely brazen with impermissible contact and trying to entice players to truck loads of money. I'm very interested to see if Wisconsin moves forward with their lawsuit against Miami (because everyone knows the NCAA isn't going to do shit).

 

[Katzenboyer]

But aren't there countless examples of this being untrue in the NFL and in the workplace in general? I know tons of people who take the highest paying job rather than the one they "want".

There are also countless examples of this not being true, though. Jeremiah Love as Exhibit A, for example. "Hometown discounts" and all that.

I have no idea what is going on in Sneed's head and it's idle speculation. But if he truly is just unhappy with ND/his role on the team, I don't think money will be the deciding factor if he leaves. And again, my larger point is that it would in no way be an indictment on ND's NIL program.

 

[Kingbish01]

Ya Greg and Lax, that's what I figured.

 

[IrishWayDomer]

Any ISD members should check out Matt Freemans recent post. To paraphrase, ND can't compete with top dollar for those who want it. And ND isn't paying for underclassman transfers, even if "it" wants to.

As if we need to further hamstring ourselves.

 

[IrishTusker]

Any ISD members should check out Matt Freemans recent post. To paraphrase, ND can't compete with top dollar for those who want it. And ND isn't paying for underclassman transfers, even if "it" wants to.

As if we need to further hamstring ourselves.

Does "can't compete" mean we're matching 90% (i.e., close)? Or only matching, say, 50%?

If a player only cares about money they probably aren't coming to ND even if we matched the top NIL "offer." What we don't want is players who would otherwise come to ND not doing so because other teams are offering a ton more in NIL. Driskell said OSU didn't offer Caleb Downs the most money; they offered him a lot, though, and he wanted to play for a stacked/top program.

 

[BeatSC]

Chance Tucker, Deion Colzie, Jason Onye, Ty Chan, Jayden Thomas

Really hope Onye stays but we sure as hell could have used him. He was really coming into his own. I’m disappointed that he couldn’t be part of all of this. Even Mickey would have been useful as even he could have hung better with smith than Grey did.

 

[Dale]

Any ISD members should check out Matt Freemans recent post. To paraphrase, ND can't compete with top dollar for those who want it. And ND isn't paying for underclassman transfers, even if "it" wants to.

As if we need to further hamstring ourselves.

The people paying the absolute top dollar are desperate teams that are less successful than ND

I’ll worry if we start getting poached by Texas, OSU etc

I really don’t care if someone wants to take the top bid and go to Tennessee.

Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should

 

[IAIrish]

I'm just not sure that's the case. If Sneed is unhappy, no amount of money is going to keep him - especially if he's got equal/close offers elsewhere.

ND won't lose him because of money, but ND offering the most might not be what keeps him, either. If the kid wants to be elsewhere, he'll be elsewhere; no amount of money would change that, and it wouldn't render ND's NIL "unserious" as the original poster indicated. Necessary and sufficient conditions are not the same thing.

Agreed. Remember, the key to having a great culture is having a team of volunteers, not hostages because you were the highest bidder.

 

[greyhammer90]

Agreed. Remember, the key to having a great culture is having a team of volunteers, not hostages because you were the highest bidder.

See: Florida State

 

[BeatSC]

Payne or Young

Yeah it would be amazing if both stayed. If one has to go it can be Payne. Young is younger and runs like a bull up the middle. Ford will be gone so no more need to find a few snaps for him. Good team player but really shouldn’t have taken a snap away from any of the other guys. Glad his degree will say ND. Makes the move worth it.

 

[greyhammer90]

Any ISD members should check out Matt Freemans recent post. To paraphrase, ND can't compete with top dollar for those who want it. And ND isn't paying for underclassman transfers, even if "it" wants to.

As if we need to further hamstring ourselves.

I dont know what "it" means in this context.

 

[RDU Irish]

The people paying the absolute top dollar are desperate teams that are less successful than ND

I’ll worry if we start getting poached by Texas, OSU etc

I really don’t care if someone wants to take the top bid and go to Tennessee.

Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should

This will be the problem IMO. Teams like Tennessee, TAMU, SMU with a lot of money that are second tier will over pay for contributors on top teams. Maybe they make a case for bringing in some culture or the backup at OSU/UGA/ND is better/less expensive than the top MAC at the position. From the player perspective - bird in the hand moneywise and you can be top dog in a position group instead of splitting reps.

It will be interesting to see how this Moneyball type stuff plays out for players and teams.

 

[BeatSC]

We really short on money? Or do we not want to spend at the OSU level? Legit question.

We just got $20M + all to ourselves compared to $1.25M for Ohio State. We got the scratch to do whatever we want. Independence baby! Sure all those jealous haters! Who’s the real winner now!

 

[NDFAN2008]

Any ISD members should check out Matt Freemans recent post. To paraphrase, ND can't compete with top dollar for those who want it. And ND isn't paying for underclassman transfers, even if "it" wants to.

As if we need to further hamstring ourselves.

Notre Dame needs to figure out a way to pay players in highschool and also go after underclassmen transfers

 

[IrishWayDomer]

I dont know what "it" means in this context.

It's not clear but I took it as the football program (coach?) versus the school. I could be reading too much into that.

 

[SoIll]

Any ISD members should check out Matt Freemans recent post. To paraphrase, ND can't compete with top dollar for those who want it. And ND isn't paying for underclassman transfers, even if "it" wants to.

As if we need to further hamstring ourselves.

Mind posting the link here. Can't seem to find it.

 

[IrishWayDomer]

Mind posting the link here. Can't seem to find it.

https://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/102780

 

[BeatSC]

ND folks transferring out in my opinion

Colzie, Payne, Minchey, Tucker, Onye, Chan, Baker, Jayden Thomas, Houstan

We can Live with that but would love a healthy Onye back most.

 

[Dale]

This will be the problem IMO. Teams like Tennessee, TAMU, SMU with a lot of money that are second tier will over pay for contributors on top teams. Maybe they make a case for bringing in some culture or the backup at OSU/UGA/ND is better/less expensive than the top MAC at the position. From the player perspective - bird in the hand moneywise and you can be top dog in a position group instead of splitting reps.

It will be interesting to see how this Moneyball type stuff plays out for players and teams.

If we lose the equivalent of Merriweather and Staes again this cycle, so be it.

I’m sure ND will try aggressively to keep the higher tier on the roster

 

[RDU Irish]

If we lose the equivalent of Merriweather and Staes again this cycle, so be it.

I’m sure ND will try aggressively to keep the higher tier on the roster

Conversely - the depth pieces we have added have been a lot more impactful than losing those guys. As much as I hate the mercenary effect of the NIL era - ND should be positioned to take advantage of it immensely.

 

[BeatSC]

I hope you're right, but if we are just naming guys who would sting for fun I'd throw out guys like Price, Greathouse, Shuler and Moore. Obviously this is message board nonsense from me. Both those guys listed have played themselves into a payday, and if they don't wanna choose "hard" all 4 could move on and basically only focus on football with school being put on the back burner.

I don't know why, but I have a weird feeling we lose Greathouse. As much as I love ND, if my son were a WR there and he started to look like a gamer. With ND's offense scheme and big question mark at QB, I'd feel we'd have to move on....Just is what it is.

These guys are familiar with the skills of our future QBs and how they are better passers and not better runners than Leonard. I think next year will be more Carry’s for RBs, more targets for WRs and more TDs and TOP for our offense. We ain’t pass a lot this year because we played from ahead almost all year and what we were doing worked. The second half against Ohio State is a preview of what our passing game can look like. In addition with Greathouse and Faison we have two really good WRs. We need Faison to get 10 touches a game. He also needs to be back on punt returns. Out Live or Price back on kick off returns if they want to.

 

[stlnd01]

It will be interesting to see how this Moneyball type stuff plays out for players and teams.

It hasn’t worked out all that well for the desperate spenders so far.

Yes Ohio State paid up to hire Judkins and Downs but they won the title because of guys they recruited and developed and then paid to retain, much as we did with Mills/Cross/Watts.

Texas, Penn State, Georgia and most other CFP teams (with possible exceptions of Oregon and Tennessee) follow more the model that we do than the Miami/A&M/Ole Miss/FSU strategy.

Maybe it’ll change but culture matters so much in college football that I don’t think you’ll see a lot of teams built from mercenaries going all the way.

 

[NDWarrior]

Maybe it’ll change but culture matters so much in college football that I don’t think you’ll see a lot of teams built from mercenaries going all the way.

Agree - The way ND and Dillingham/ASU are doing it by being open/transparent re: where you stand as a player, yet building a strong magnet culture and paying enough to retain the players they want with strong HS recruiting and targeted and effective TP recruiting is the way to go and look at the results for these two teams vs. Oregon, TAMU, FSU, USC, maybe even Ole Miss.

 

[china423]

 

[MacIrish75]

every time a new guy I love enters the portal

 

[NDLS_USMC]

It hasn’t worked out all that well for the desperate spenders so far.

Yes Ohio State paid up to hire Judkins and Downs but they won the title because of guys they recruited and developed and then paid to retain, much as we did with Mills/Cross/Watts.

Texas, Penn State, Georgia and most other CFP teams (with possible exceptions of Oregon and Tennessee) follow more the model that we do than the Miami/A&M/Ole Miss/FSU strategy.

Maybe it’ll change but culture matters so much in college football that I don’t think you’ll see a lot of teams built from mercenaries going all the way.

I think Downs was big time in Championship game and a major contributor to the outcome. So his fee structure and required retainer were IMO big part of why they won.

 

[domer13]

Do we know if they were able to earn their degrees?

 

[lcaps20]

Notre Dame needs to figure out a way to pay players in highschool and also go after underclassmen transfers

No shit

 

[ab2cmiller]

Do we know if they were able to earn their degrees?

I'm assuming that is a requirement of entering the portal as "Graduate Transfers".