2023 - State of the Recruiting Class

[irishnd31]

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black, "irishnd31"?



Yes, I'm guilty of it too

 

[CanadalovesND]

Could you capitalize the first letter of their names for us too?

you capitalists and your capitals

 

[irishnd31]

you capitalists and your capitals

LMAO

 

[IrishLion]

Because I'm mentally unstable and have had a bad day at work, I wanted even MORE pain in my life, and decided to mess around with 247's class calculator.

If you subbed Moore for Minchey, and added Keon Keeley, ND would still "only" be at 302.24, which would be good for just a slight bump up above UGA in the recruiting rankings to #2 behind Bama.

And even though ND would have more 4 AND 5-star prospects than Bama, they would still be 7 points behind the Tide, as the quality of Bama's high-end 4-star recruits is insane.

 

[Dale]

Because I'm mentally unstable and have had a bad day at work, I wanted even MORE pain in my life, and decided to mess around with 247's class calculator.

If you subbed Moore for Minchey, and added Keon Keeley, ND would still "only" be at 302.24, which would be good for just a slight bump up above UGA in the recruiting rankings to #2 behind Bama.

And even though ND would have more 4 AND 5-star prospects than Bama, they would still be 7 points behind the Tide, as the quality of Bama's high-end 4-star recruits is insane.

You’re a real bitch for this one Lion

 

[NDMatt91]

Because I'm mentally unstable and have had a bad day at work, I wanted even MORE pain in my life, and decided to mess around with 247's class calculator.

If you subbed Moore for Minchey, and added Keon Keeley, ND would still "only" be at 302.24, which would be good for just a slight bump up above UGA in the recruiting rankings to #2 behind Bama.

And even though ND would have more 4 AND 5-star prospects than Bama, they would still be 7 points behind the Tide, as the quality of Bama's high-end 4-star recruits is insane.

Add Freeling why you're at it.

I'd be lying if I haven't done the same, though. haha

 

[IrishLion]

You’re a real bitch for this one Lion

I do what I can with what I'm given

 

[notredomer23]

On the flip side, even if they lose Bowen, it's still a top 5 class per the composite.

 

[greyhammer90]

Because I'm mentally unstable and have had a bad day at work, I wanted even MORE pain in my life, and decided to mess around with 247's class calculator.

If you subbed Moore for Minchey, and added Keon Keeley, ND would still "only" be at 302.24, which would be good for just a slight bump up above UGA in the recruiting rankings to #2 behind Bama.

And even though ND would have more 4 AND 5-star prospects than Bama, they would still be 7 points behind the Tide, as the quality of Bama's high-end 4-star recruits is insane.

Even our dream scenarios have us finishing behind that machine.

 

[CanadalovesND]

On the flip side, even if they lose Bowen, it's still a top 5 class per the composite.

The schools behind us are in prime position for a few higher targets that are not committed. If Bowen stays, it's likely we will remain in the Top 5. If he flips, we will get passed, but would probably still finish in the 6 - 8 range.

We currently sit at 290.23 - in each of the previous three cycles, that would have been good enough for sixth.

 

[Dale]

Y’all are forgetting all of our commits will drop after the AA Bowl

 

[domer13]

The schools behind us are in prime position for a few higher targets that are not committed. If Bowen stays, it's likely we will remain in the Top 5. If he flips, we will get passed, but would probably still finish in the 6 - 8 range.

We currently sit at 290.23 - in each of the previous three cycles, that would have been good enough for sixth.

Just spent (wasted) time doing the 247 Class Calculator for each of the current top 10 teams in the rankings.

IF every team in the top 10 gets everyone in the top 300 who 247 has them leading for (50% or higher), and we keep Bowen, the rankings will look like this (these do not include any projections of the 3-4 guys in the top 100 or so who did not have a clear leader):

1. Bama (315.68)
2. Georgia (305.91)
3. Texas (299.82)
4. OSU (297.35)
5. LSU (296.03)
6. Miami (295.03)
7. ND (289.23)
8. OU (286.66)
9. Tenn (276.33)
10. Clem (275.55)

If Bowen flips to OU, then they'd jump us to #7 at 294.03, and ND would fall to #8 at 282.42 (which would rank ahead of all of BK's classes except for 2013 (284.77).

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Just spent (wasted) time doing the 247 Class Calculator for each of the current top 10 teams in the rankings.

IF every team in the top 10 gets everyone in the top 300 who 247 has them leading for (50% or higher), and we keep Bowen, the rankings will look like this (these do not include any projections of the 3-4 guys in the top 100 or so who did not have a clear leader):

1. Bama (315.68)
2. Georgia (305.91)
3. Texas (299.82)
4. OSU (297.35)
5. LSU (296.03)
6. Miami (295.03)
7. ND (289.23)
8. OU (286.66)
9. Tenn (276.33)
10. Clem (275.55)

If Bowen flips to OU, then they'd jump us to #7 at 294.03, and ND would fall to #8 at 282.42 (which would rank ahead of all of BK's classes except for 2013 (284.77).

Man, imagine if we had been able to actually take the shackles off Freeman and let him harness NIL. We would likely have another 5* at QB and DE, probably the two most important positions in modern football. Maybe ND needs to be told that it really won't matter if the NCAA starts punishing this stuff because if we win a natty, people will remember that whether the NCAA recognizes the title or not. Hell, the NCAA already recognizes another 11 championships that ND doesn't. For every one the NCAA vacates, just add one of the 11 we don't recognize to the 11 we do.

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

Man, imagine if we had been able to actually take the shackles off Freeman and let him harness NIL. We would likely have another 5* at QB and DE, probably the two most important positions in modern football. Maybe ND needs to be told that it really won't matter if the NCAA starts punishing this stuff because if we win a natty, people will remember that whether the NCAA recognizes the title or not. Hell, the NCAA already recognizes another 11 championships that ND doesn't. For every one the NCAA vacates, just add one of the 11 we don't recognize to the 11 we do.

Do we think Freeman can ever convince them to do it.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Do we think Freeman can ever convince them to do it.

I'd like to see the players be open about what they're currently making... unless it's a bad amount.
If it's as much as most of us think it is, it can only help our cause without the up front guarantee some schools are offering.

 

[NDIrish88]

ND needs to get to a point where they start calculating lifetime value for players, simulating different scenarios for them.

 

[stlnd01]

I get why Notre Dame doesn’t want to be out front on NIL for recruits, the way A&M and Tennessee have been. There are very good reasons why throwing money at high school kids is basically bad news for all involved. (Except the agents and the uncles, it’s good for them.)

But if pretty much every other major program in college football is doing some version of upfront NIL, and no one is being punished for it, then we soon will too. The people who run Notre Dame are not stupid. They don’t need Freeman to “convince” them, they just need to figure out the “Notre Dame way” to go about it.

 

[PolishDomer]

The main issue I see is with our luck, if they followed the Bagman way, we would somehow get punished....I just know we would. I think its smarter to focus on kids who are already here in my opinion...im more fearful of other teams trying to use transfer portal with cash and poach top players. If we followed suit like others and dropped bags on HS recruits, what would stop them later on doing the same?

I would rather they get the high character kids and keep the ethical standard.

 

[irishff1014]

Do we think Freeman can ever convince them to do it.

I think you will see some more advance in the NIL and transfers. But if you think we are are gonna just drop bags of cash you are gonna be highly disappointed. The NCAA has screwed this thing up so bad that i doubt it'll ever be fixable.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I get why Notre Dame doesn’t want to be out front on NIL for recruits, the way A&M and Tennessee have been. There are very good reasons why throwing money at high school kids is basically bad news for all involved. (Except the agents and the uncles, it’s good for them.)

But if pretty much every other major program in college football is doing some version of upfront NIL, and no one is being punished for it, then we soon will too. The people who run Notre Dame are not stupid. They don’t need Freeman to “convince” them, they just need to figure out the “Notre Dame way” to go about it.

Well they need to hurry the f*ck up and do it already.

This isn't something you can just sit on. A solution was needed months ago.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Singer put in predictions for the Smith brothers out of CT. One is a Top 100, the other Top 200 DL.

 

[rtrn2glory]

That's in the 24 class isn't it?

 

[CanadalovesND]

Singer put in predictions for the Smith brothers out of CT. One is a Top 100, the other Top 200 DL.

Just posting something promising after Swain's decommitment.

 

[Blazers46]

ND needs to get to a point where they start calculating lifetime value for players, simulating different scenarios for them.

I’m sure they do. ROI has been their calling card.

 

[Free Manera]

ROI doesn’t work when kids are being offered like 500k now, as a 17 year old. That’s Monopoly money to these kids. Some of their extended families probably don’t make 500k combined. It’s life changing to them now not over the course of 40 years.

We know that is short sighted. But not everyone can resist that temptation.

 

[fightingirish26]

I'm not sure that taking 500k+ now should be considered short sighted lol. Too negative of a connotation. As has been mentioned, it's life changing money to the vast, vast majority of people.

 

[stlnd01]

I'm not sure that taking 500k+ now should be considered short sighted lol. Too negative of a connotation. As has been mentioned, it's life changing money to the vast, vast majority of people.

It’s only short-sighted if you take the money for a less-good situation (w/regard to coaching, development, education, whatever), or see the $500K as the big prize and don’t work hard.

In other words there’s nothing stopping a kid from taking NIL and being serious about school and their football development. It’s not either/or. But all other things being relatively equal why wouldn’t a kid take the money? Which is why we need to figure out a way to be competitive on that front while still offering all the other good stuff Notre Dame offers.

 

[Crazy Balki]

It’s only short-sighted if you take the money for a less-good situation (w/regard to coaching, development, education, whatever), or see the $500K as the big prize and don’t work hard.

In other words there’s nothing stopping a kid from taking NIL and being serious about school and their football development. It’s not either/or. But all other things being relatively equal why wouldn’t a kid take the money? Which is why we need to figure out a way to be competitive on that front while still offering all the other good stuff Notre Dame offers.

It's really not hard.

Promote the FUND, allow them to do more by essentially helping explore NIL opportunities for kids who are looking at ND.

None of that is against the rules, so ND is just needlessly tying their hands behind their back on this one. It needs to stop.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Just spent (wasted) time doing the 247 Class Calculator for each of the current top 10 teams in the rankings.

IF every team in the top 10 gets everyone in the top 300 who 247 has them leading for (50% or higher), and we keep Bowen, the rankings will look like this (these do not include any projections of the 3-4 guys in the top 100 or so who did not have a clear leader):

1. Bama (315.68)
2. Georgia (305.91)
3. Texas (299.82)
4. OSU (297.35)
5. LSU (296.03)
6. Miami (295.03)
7. ND (289.23)
8. OU (286.66)
9. Tenn (276.33)
10. Clem (275.55)

If Bowen flips to OU, then they'd jump us to #7 at 294.03, and ND would fall to #8 at 282.42 (which would rank ahead of all of BK's classes except for 2013 (284.77).

So does this means that Brian Kelly out recruited Freeman????

 

[Sea Turtle]

So does this means that Brian Kelly out recruited Freeman????

It's why he left for LSU in the first place.