2023 NFL Draft

[T-Boone]

Youre starting to see teams not only draft sec players but draft specific sec teams now.

Am I?
Why?

 

[IA4irish]

3 nd players drafted. I think this is reflective of the later Kelly classes. Some good top end talent but overall lacking depth. I think the number drafted per year will increase under coach freeman

 

[IrishLax]

This draft really underscores how little NFL talent ND had last year… 2 high level draft picks, one late round OL. That’s it. I’m not saying you need all 22 to be NFL guys but man ND did not lose a lot besides Mayer and Foskey.

 

[NDPhilly]

‘19 recruiting class had so many low 4 stars that did little to nothing.

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[NDdomer2]

‘19 recruiting class had so many low 4 stars that did little to nothing.

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Quite a few of these guys are still starters

 

[Sea Turtle]

Am I?
Why?

Because Georgia and Alabama are so good that teams like the Eagles just want guys from those programs.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Aaron Rupar

Because Georgia and Alabama are so good that teams like the Eagles just want guys from those programs.

There's another big reason. The draft can be extremely risky. It doesn't take many high draft picks being busts to set your team back for years. When you draft a guy from Bama, you eliminate a lot of the risk. You know what you're getting. He didn't survive 3 or 4 years under Saban if he has attitude or work ethic issues. He probably isn't any more talented than a similar grade player from any other school, but you know that he went to class every day, wasn't late for film sessions or workouts or practices, isn't going to be a prima donna, will have a team first attitude, is willing to grind, and is coachable. Otherwise he wouldn't have survived long under Saban. Look at the guys Saban puts into the NFL. Sometimes they don't succeed, but it's rarely if ever because of work ethic or attitude. That cuts out a LOT of the risk factor when you draft a player.

 

[T-Boone]

So Bama players “go to class”?

 

[arrowryan]

Mayer’s problem is that his style of TE play is kind of on the way out. Most teams seem to like the receiving tight ends, not the do it all guys.

 

[NDRock]

This draft really underscores how little NFL talent ND had last year… 2 high level draft picks, one late round OL. That’s it. I’m not saying you need all 22 to be NFL guys but man ND did not lose a lot besides Mayer and Foskey.

Any reason to think next year won’t be similar? Who on the D is going to be a high draft pick?

 

[arrowryan]

Any reason to think next year won’t be similar? Who on the D is going to be a high draft pick?

Joe Alt will be top 5, but that is about it. I'm not sure what Estime and Fisher plan on doing.

The NFL Draft is pretty cut throat. Look at Kelee Ringo. He was great at Georgia. He was projected to the picked in the first half of the second round. He wasn't picked until day 3.

 

[NDRock]

Joe Alt will be top 5, but that is about it. I'm not sure what Estime and Fisher plan on doing.

The NFL Draft is pretty cut throat. Look at Kelee Ringo. He was great at Georgia. He was projected to the picked in the first half of the second round. He wasn't picked until day 3.

Yep. No idea about Hartman, doubt he’s higher than a mid round selection. Just not a lot of high end taken on the roster the last couple of seasons.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Joe Alt will be top 5, but that is about it. I'm not sure what Estime and Fisher plan on doing.

The NFL Draft is pretty cut throat. Look at Kelee Ringo. He was great at Georgia. He was projected to the picked in the first half of the second round. He wasn't picked until day 3.

I think top 5 is a little rich for Alt. More like top 10. Blake Fisher has a chance to be a first round pick next year or 2025. If Cam Hart can stay on the field he should be a draftable player. Kiser should be draftable if the coaching staff let him stay in the field more and play the WILL spot. Howard Cross may be a third day pick. Zeke probably will be a late round draft pick as well. The wild card is Jordan Botelho. Jordan could go early or not get selected at all.

Basically 24 draft should see more players drafted than the past two drafts.

Edit: forgot about Hartman…if Book was a fourth round pick then Hartman should be as well.

 

[arrowryan]

I think top 5 is a little rich for Alt. More like top 10. Blake Fisher has a chance to be a first round pick next year or 2025. If Cam Hart can stay on the field he should be a draftable player. Kiser should be draftable if the coaching staff let him stay in the field more and play the WILL spot. Howard Cross may be a third day pick. Zeke probably will be a late round draft pick as well. The wild card is Jordan Botelho. Jordan could go early or not get selected at all.

Basically 24 draft should see more players drafted than the past two drafts.

Edit: forgot about Hartman…if Book was a fourth round pick then Hartman should be as well.

Paris Johnson went at 6. Joe Alt is better than Paris Johnson imo

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Paris Johnson went at 6. Joe Alt is better than Paris Johnson imo

Oh I agree with that. But everyone has the kid from Penn State as the best OT who will be drafted first. I just don’t see two tackles going in the top 5.

 

[irishff1014]

Paris Johnson went at 6. Joe Alt is better than Paris Johnson imo

You forget that Alt has ND next to his name.

 

[BeatSC]

Well so much for the Ademlola brothers walking away from another year. Should have stayed and got a masters from ND. XFL bound along with Joseph.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Well so much for the Ademlola brothers walking away from another year. Should have stayed and got a masters from ND. XFL bound along with Joseph.

That may be true for Justin. But, I’m pretty sure Jayson was out of eligibility and he also was signed as a UDFA super quick.0

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Hartman is going to the Jets in the 6th round.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

This draft really underscores how little NFL talent ND had last year… 2 high level draft picks, one late round OL. That’s it. I’m not saying you need all 22 to be NFL guys but man ND did not lose a lot besides Mayer and Foskey.

You all already have it covered. I came here to post this link (NFL Draft picks by college 2023) because I, too, noticed this weekend how far down the list ND was compared to other teams. And to think, they were an "average" QB away from winning 10+ games last year. What does this say about ND and the overall state of the program given that the last two drafts (and potentially next year as well) ND has very few players getting drafted?

 

[Ndaccountant]

You all already have it covered. I came here to post this link (NFL Draft picks by college 2023) because I, too, noticed this weekend how far down the list ND was compared to other teams. And to think, they were an "average" QB away from winning 10+ games last year. What does this say about ND and the overall state of the program given that the last two drafts (and potentially next year as well) ND has very few players getting drafted?

To me, it means three things.

1) it underscores how little talent was left to MFMF despite the narrative some want to push

2) How good of a coaching job was done last year when the older talent just wasn't that talented (by NFL standards). Think about it, your best WR transfered to likely play DB at his next stop, your QB for most of the year transfers to likely be back up at ASU and your other starting QB has Alabama fans fuming after he transfers in.

3) How scheduling can work to ND advantage. Getting OSU game 1 was a huge blessing, as was getting Clemson later in the year at home.

 

[NDPhilly]

Still amazes me that the Saints thought Book was worthy of a 4th round pick.

 

[ACamp1900]

I was completely locked in on the nhl and baseball,… didn’t watch a second. I assume the Browns found a way to pull multiple first round studs however,….

 

[BleedBlueGold]

To me, it means three things.

1) it underscores how little talent was left to MFMF despite the narrative some want to push

2) How good of a coaching job was done last year when the older talent just wasn't that talented (by NFL standards). Think about it, your best WR transfered to likely play DB at his next stop, your QB for most of the year transfers to likely be back up at ASU and your other starting QB has Alabama fans fuming after he transfers in.

3) How scheduling can work to ND advantage. Getting OSU game 1 was a huge blessing, as was getting Clemson later in the year at home.

I came to a lot of the same conclusions. ND has essentially over achieved given their lack of upper class talent, poor QB play and spotty skill position talent.

 

[NDPhilly]

ND's scheduling over our 2017-2021 run of 10-win seasons was perfect for the talent level we had, and masked the deficiencies within the program. If you look at the SP+ adn F+, ND was closer to a top 10-15 team than top 5 those years. We had more talent than 11 of the 12 teams on our schedule and had better coaching too. OSU / TAMU / Clemson is a ridiculous schedule with USC's resurgence.

I have little doubt that Kelly knew he wouldnt be able to replicate 2018 and 2020 with the 2022+ schedules.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm not going to set any expectations for where Joe Alt is going to land in a year. There really is no telling what is going to happen between now and then, and you saw all of the trades that occurred leading up to THIS draft in addition to the trades that happened the weekend of the draft itself.

Feels like Mayer, Foskey and Patterson all fell to good fits in slots where they ultimately belonged as far as I saw. I doubt they are going to have the Arya Stark kill lists some of the posters in this thread have, though. They'll just do the work.

 

[BeatSC]

Kelly would. It have lost to Marshall and Stanford. ND did well to hang in there with Ohio State. Buchner was pretty awful and so was Pine. We would have had another 10 win season.

 

[GATTACA!]

Carolina, Houston and Indy will be drafting QBs again in the next 5 years.

I think Young has a shot. Richardson is going to be a complete disaster.

 

[Irish#1]

I think Young has a shot. Richardson is going to be a complete disaster.

I'm not sold on Richardson, but per an article in The Athletic, the Colts player personnel seem to think he's going to be good. They think he had too many people in his ear talking to him about how to play the position and once he is isolated from the noise he should improve his accuracy.

 

[ND87]

Fwiw, Joe Alt #8 in a waaay too early 2024 Mock Draft

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