2022-2023 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

Henges24

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It will never happen (until Super Conferences) but I feel ND matches up better in the B1G than the ACC in basketball.
 

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Wish we would join the Big East for basketball. I don't give a shit about most of the teams in the ACC.
 

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so most of us want Brey to resign or just retire at the end of the season but if he says he is coming back then the question will be does Jack have the balls to force him to step down
 

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Maybe I have missed this? I haven't seen anyone rooting for him to fail.

What I've seen is a bunch of fans seeing that the Brey of old is no more, and what was supposed to be his greatest class has turned out to be possibly his worst. And these same fans understand that in order to get ND basketball back on track, it's going to likely take some hard decisions and changes in the program.

I (and I'd say a lot of us) absolutely love what Brey brought to ND basketball over the years. And the memories many of those teams gave us, but lets be real here. This team is bad, and the future roster is even worse looking. Change is needed, unless somehow a miracle happens.
I don’t disagree that it is time for a change at the end of the year. I have however seen people saying losses are a good thing to be rid of Brey. My point is more like someone else said above it may be time for a change but Brey should still be treated with respect for what he did on and off the court. Hopefully in a few years he comes back to a great reception and they hang something from the rafters to honor him.
 

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Boy, Prister takes the gloves off in his story today. Its free, I'm not a subscriber and I just read it. "This will be his last public rant as Notre Dame's head coach" "He doesn't look healthy. But its time for Brey to do what's best for his physical and mental well being and for Notre Dame to turn the page."
His closing line " all that's left is the timing of the closure".
I hope Prister isn't just blowing smoke up our asses. Its seems to read like he knows its over and that the local writers who cover the team (there aren't many) can all see it. I've got no faith in Swarbrick and little in Brey, he was adamant two years ago that he would not step down until his contract is up.

Swarbrick did fire the Baseball coach after multiple bad years. I guess that may be the comperable case.
 

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so most of us want Brey to resign or just retire at the end of the season but if he says he is coming back then the question will be does Jack have the balls to force him to step down
Even under the best case scenario you're only getting a few more years out of Brey.

At this point, I'll be surprised if Brey is still the coach come March 1st.
 

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I mean the writing has to be on the wall at this point. Outside of how bad the team is performing with there being next to zero noticeable player development going on, the post game comments recently show just how bad of shape the program is in. Brey was given a chance this year with all the experience coming back to get things righted, but that just isn't happening. I'm definitely not rooting for him or the team to fail, but the time has definitely come for some new energy to be brought in.
 

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Boy, Prister takes the gloves off in his story today. Its free, I'm not a subscriber and I just read it. "This will be his last public rant as Notre Dame's head coach" "He doesn't look healthy. But its time for Brey to do what's best for his physical and mental well being and for Notre Dame to turn the page."
His closing line " all that's left is the timing of the closure".
I hope Prister isn't just blowing smoke up our asses. Its seems to read like he knows its over and that the local writers who cover the team (there aren't many) can all see it. I've got no faith in Swarbrick and little in Brey, he was adamant two years ago that he would not step down until his contract is up.

Swarbrick did fire the Baseball coach after multiple bad years. I guess that may be the comperable case.
Link for anyone else so inclined...

 

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It would be nice to have a storybook ending, but that rarely happens. Brey gets all the credit for previous success, but it looks like his gas tank is empty.

The great thing about BBall is that you can turnaround a team in just 1 or 2 years if you get the right coach.
 

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It would be nice to have a storybook ending, but that rarely happens. Brey gets all the credit for previous success, but it looks like his gas tank is empty.

The great thing about BBall is that you can turnaround a team in just 1 or 2 years if you get the right coach.
Is there a Marcos Freeman in the family? Lol
 

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long time beat writer covering irish basketball Tom Noie is on the IB podcast right now and he said Jack has been on record with the South Bend tribune and other media outlets saying that he won't force Brey to leave and that he can stay until he decides to leave because he has earned that right because of how he turned the program. that isn't how Tom put it word for word but basically said though that Brey has earned the right to stay as long as he wants for turning things around for the program
 

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long time beat writer covering irish basketball Tom Noie is on the IB podcast right now and he said Jack has been on record with the South Bend tribune and other media outlets saying that he won't force Brey to leave and that he can stay until he decides to leave because he has earned that right because of how he turned the program. that isn't how Tom put it word for word but basically said though that Brey has earned the right to stay as long as he wants for turning things around for the program
One of the hazards of basketball largely being an after thought with a lot of people. Brey can call his shot.
 

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100% The team that I actually felt had the best final four chance was the 2010-2011 team that ran into an underrated FSU team in the round of 32.
They were the last team to beat Kemba and Uconn in Storrs before they went on their improbable run to the Big East tournament championship and NCAA Title.
The move to the ACC seemed to work at first, but man has it been very lack luster since those Elite 8 Teams.
I feel like you can even see it at home games with the student section. In the Big East days the Joyce Center was always packed and we had a solid home court advantage.
We need some life brought back into the program!
Anyone who watched Kansas State vs Kansas last night saw firsthand what a new coach can bring in their first year to a program.
Jerome Tang has turned Kansas State into serious final four contender in the matter of months.
I unfortunately was at that FSU game and drive 10ths to get to it just to be very disappointed.

I agree with everyone else that I will always respect what brey has done for this school and the fun he brought to games when we were winning.

I’ll never forget him and I think he deserves to be recognized somehow in the Joyce center.

But like everyone else said it’s time for a change and I was always on Breys side but I’m 100% on the side of he needs to go. Love the man tho.

Loosest coach in college basketball!!
 

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long time beat writer covering irish basketball Tom Noie is on the IB podcast right now and he said Jack has been on record with the South Bend tribune and other media outlets saying that he won't force Brey to leave and that he can stay until he decides to leave because he has earned that right because of how he turned the program. that isn't how Tom put it word for word but basically said though that Brey has earned the right to stay as long as he wants for turning things around for the program
That, my friends, is an example of atrocious managerial leadership. “Congrats! Because you were good at your job 8-10 years ago, I, your direct supervisor and boss will overlook every occupational shortcoming that has developed over the last 3-5 years!”
 

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long time beat writer covering irish basketball Tom Noie is on the IB podcast right now and he said Jack has been on record with the South Bend tribune and other media outlets saying that he won't force Brey to leave and that he can stay until he decides to leave because he has earned that right because of how he turned the program. that isn't how Tom put it word for word but basically said though that Brey has earned the right to stay as long as he wants for turning things around for the program
This is infuriating. However, I wouldn't be so sure that what Swarbrick is saying to the media is really his plan. He may be telling MB privately its time to leave. Jack's a politician.
 

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As bad as this year is, next year will be worse.

The end result , he is leaving a decimated program for the next coach. The program status is no better then when he took over. But I guess it doesn’t matter since he took us to a couple of elite 8’s.

The program is a shell of a program compared to that time. By all accounts, he’s a great guy.

I’m begging Jack to fire him if Brey doesn’t do the honorable thing.
 

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Not sure how I feel after watching that post game interview. Not sure what I was expecting either.

I guess if he still had fight in him, he would’ve called a timeout immediately after the transition dunk that he felt “set the tone”.

He clearly seems uncomfortable, and I hope he talks less on his way out.

I do not hold Brey as high as some of you, he’s not a hall of fame coach. He had some good years, and some not so good years. I do not dislike him, just years past ready for some competitive basketball.
 

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This is infuriating. However, I wouldn't be so sure that what Swarbrick is saying to the media is really his plan. He may be telling MB privately its time to leave. Jack's a politician.
Completely agree with this; if Jack isn't intending to fire him before the conclusion of the season, then what advantage is there for him to talk to a beat writer, of all people, to break the news that Brey is getting the hook? Makes no sense at all.

Until the time comes that makes the most sense to fire Brey (or ask him to resign) in Swarbrick's mind, it only makes sense to stay on message with what he said in previous years.
 

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I am a big Brey fan, but this would be the best thing for the program.
I completely agree. As many have previously stated, it's okay to appreciate everything Brey has done for the program over the past two decades while also realizing that the past five years have been by and large a complete failure.

I think a pretty decent comp is Mark Dantonio at MSU; it's one thing to take a dormant program to new heights, but that doesn't give you the right to completely tear it down from the peak you helped build. The program always comes first.
 

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I don't want to take this as gospel, but if this is true I feel like this is more towards the future of the program. Maybe they are looking to place an interim tag on Anthony Solomon to see if he can indeed be the man to lead the program forward. If he is or isn't, it should have a positive ripple effect on recruits knowing that change is coming.
 
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