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Presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg's high student loan debt draws attention to the issue

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Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg knows firsthand the burden of six-figure student loan debt. He and his husband, Chasten, are far from alone, though, and their personal college indebtedness is helping to keep the issue on the national stage.

With loans totaling more than $130,000, they are among the 43 million people in the United States who owe federal student loan debt.

The debtors are so numerous and the total debt so high — more than $1.447 trillion, according to federal statistics — that several of the Democratic candidates have made major policy proposals to address the crisis. Their ideas include wiping away debt, lowering interest rates, expanding programs that tie repayment terms to income and making college free or debt-free.

Student loan debt is often discussed as an issue that mostly affects millennials, but it cuts across age groups. Federal statistics show that about 7.8 million people age 50 and older owe a combined $291.9 billion in student loans. People age 35 to 49, a group that covers older millennials such as Buttigieg as well as Generation X, owe $548.4 billion. That group includes more than 14 million people.

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In his financial disclosure filed with the Office of Government Ethics in mid-May, Buttigieg reported that he and his husband have between $110,000 and $265,000 in student loan debt. The report requires a range rather than a specific dollar amount. Chris Meagher, a campaign spokesman, said the exact amount is $131,296.

Americans with student loans owe on average $33,000, so the Buttigiegs' debt is on the high end. They are among the 2.8 million Americans who owe more than $100,000 in federal student loan debt.

Seven 2020 presidential contenders have proposed legislation in the Senate to do that. The bill would simplify and expand a program that forgives federal loans for public service workers who make 120 monthly loan payments while working for a government agency or qualified nonprofit. Only about 1% of borrowers who applied to the program were approved. The candidates backing the legislation are Warren, Sanders, Harris, and Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, Cory Booker of New Jersey and Michael Bennet of Colorado.
 
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Not denying that student loan debt is a problem in this country, but the debate always seems to ignore the basic understanding of what debt is to begin with. People voluntarily borrow money with the agreement to pay it back themselves.

Chasten is a teacher. Idk his salary, but I doubt it's very high because we don't pay teachers well in this country. Regardless, he chose to attend Wisconsin (out of state for him) and then DePaul for his Masters....only to become a jr. high drama teacher? Sorry, but that's poor financial decision making on his part.

Mayor Pete makes over $100k per year. Pretty sure with the right budget and mindset, he could tackle his own student loans.

When I graduated college, I was $56,000 in debt and made $62,000 per year at my job. I paid my entire debt in full within 5 years of graduating.

Stop bitching. Make good decisions. Take on some responsibility. Buckle down. And pay it off yourself.
 

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Not denying that student loan debt is a problem in this country, but the debate always seems to ignore the basic understanding of what debt is to begin with. People voluntarily borrow money with the agreement to pay it back themselves.

Chasten is a teacher. Idk his salary, but I doubt it's very high because we don't pay teachers well in this country. Regardless, he chose to attend Wisconsin (out of state for him) and then DePaul for his Masters....only to become a jr. high drama teacher? Sorry, but that's poor financial decision making on his part.

Mayor Pete makes over $100k per year. Pretty sure with the right budget and mindset, he could tackle his own student loans.

When I graduated college, I was $56,000 in debt and made $62,000 per year at my job. I paid my entire debt in full within 5 years of graduating.

Stop bitching. Make good decisions. Take on some responsibility. Buckle down. And pay it off yourself.

You really hit the nail on the head. I've mentioned before that I use to work for Sallie Mae and they make it too easy to defer causing the debt to continue to mount, but the bottom line......the onus is on the borrower to make smart decisions.

The best solution today IMO is to attend a local college where you can live at home, then enroll at the school you prefer for your fourth year. It might require taking an additional class or two, but the amount of money saved will be huge.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">spent a good twenty minutes this weekend just staring at these photoshops of the presidential candidates with mustaches. <a href="https://t.co/ikMBXky72Y">https://t.co/ikMBXky72Y</a><br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/dagotron?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@dagotron</a> <a href="https://t.co/uQV9FDpFik">pic.twitter.com/uQV9FDpFik</a></p>— andrew kaczynski (@KFILE) <a href="https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1138081673822777344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Not denying that student loan debt is a problem in this country, but the debate always seems to ignore the basic understanding of what debt is to begin with. People voluntarily borrow money with the agreement to pay it back themselves.

Chasten is a teacher. Idk his salary, but I doubt it's very high because we don't pay teachers well in this country. Regardless, he chose to attend Wisconsin (out of state for him) and then DePaul for his Masters....only to become a jr. high drama teacher? Sorry, but that's poor financial decision making on his part.

Mayor Pete makes over $100k per year. Pretty sure with the right budget and mindset, he could tackle his own student loans.

When I graduated college, I was $56,000 in debt and made $62,000 per year at my job. I paid my entire debt in full within 5 years of graduating.

Stop bitching. Make good decisions. Take on some responsibility. Buckle down. And pay it off yourself.


You really hit the nail on the head. I've mentioned before that I use to work for Sallie Mae and they make it too easy to defer causing the debt to continue to mount, but the bottom line......the onus is on the borrower to make smart decisions.

The best solution today IMO is to attend a local college where you can live at home, then enroll at the school you prefer for your fourth year. It might require taking an additional class or two, but the amount of money saved will be huge.

Where do you think this all ends if we continue to make believe that 18 year olds are well equipped to make life alterning financial decisions while we simultaneously ignore the piles of money being made by universities, international finance and the US government by strapping our nation's youth with unpayable debt?
 

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Where do you think this all ends if we continue to make believe that 18 year olds are well equipped to make life alterning financial decisions while we simultaneously ignore the piles of money being made by universities, international finance and the US government by strapping our nation's youth with unpayable debt?

Obviously the rise in tuition costs, administrative bloat, and federal involvement need to be addressed. Like every issue in this country, it's complicated. But the general point to my post is that rarely, in this debate, do people (especially on the Left) mention the personal responsibility involved with this topic as well.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"It’s often said that history doesn’t repeat, it rhymes, and we are hearing many of those rhymes today" <a href="https://t.co/Kxy3OJOlT0">pic.twitter.com/Kxy3OJOlT0</a></p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1138199969406554112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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huh?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"It’s often said that history doesn’t repeat, it rhymes, and we are hearing many of those rhymes today" <a href="https://t.co/Kxy3OJOlT0">pic.twitter.com/Kxy3OJOlT0</a></p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1138199969406554112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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huh?

Eric Swalwell is a hard dude to follow. I find it best to mostly just ignore him.
 

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Obviously the rise in tuition costs, administrative bloat, and federal involvement need to be addressed. Like every issue in this country, it's complicated. But the general point to my post is that rarely, in this debate, do people (especially on the Left) mention the personal responsibility involved with this topic as well.

It is complicated.

To be candid, I believe it's disgusting that the federal government would strap its own youth with piles of debt at relatively high interest rates. Worse yet, they gleefully give our parasitic banking system access to our youth (access that would otherwise be non-existent b/c who would be dumb enough to lend 100k to a teenager) AND carve out a special excpetion in our bankruptcy code to prevent discharge of student loans (b/c who would be dumb enough to lend $100k to a teenager without this caveat).

I'm not a leftist. I do agree, if a person borrows money, they should make decisions that will put them in a position to repay their debts. I graduated with over $170k of debt. I did what I had to do, paid about half of them back so far and earn enough to get the balance paid with relative ease.

I would push back a bit on the bolded portion - I think it's mentioned more often than any level of criticsm I've seen on the lenders and universties. They're held in high regard by our culture and media, especially universities. It strikes me as bizarre that the right doesn't attack this issue incessantly. They can secure support of a young voting block, expose the filth we have at our universities and most importantly, these loans are absolutely devasating to anyone who wants to live a traditional life. Good luck buying a home, getting married and having children when you have a $100k pile of debt you're paying back at a 7% rate.
 

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The Congress has passed a number of laws on aspects of student loans for the student and financing institutions to follow. GAO (Government Accounting Office) issues regular reports on their statuses.

PUBLIC SERVICE LOAN FORGIVENESS:
Education Needs to Provide Better Information for the Loan Servicer and Borrowers


What GAO Found
As of April 2018, over a million borrowers had taken steps to pursue Public Loan Service Forgiveness (PSLF) from the Department of Education (Education), but few borrowers have been granted loan forgiveness to date. The PSLF program, established by statute in 2007, forgives borrowers' federal student loans after they make at least 10 years of qualifying payments while working for certain public service employers and meeting other requirements. Over 890,000 borrowers have passed a first step towards potentially qualifying for PSLF by voluntarily having their employment and loans certified as eligible for PSLF as of April 2018, according to data from Education's PSLF loan servicer. While borrowers first became eligible to apply for loan forgiveness in September 2017, few applicants had met all requirements as of April 2018, with 55 borrowers having received loan forgiveness (see figure). Education has used various outreach methods to inform borrowers about PSLF, but the large number of denied borrowers suggests that many are still confused by the program requirements. A recently enacted law requires Education to conduct additional outreach to help borrowers understand how to meet program requirements.

FEDERAL STUDENT LOANS:
Actions Needed to Improve Oversight of Schools' Default Rates

What GAO Found
According to federal law, schools may lose their ability to participate in federal student aid programs if a significant percentage of their borrowers default on their student loans within the first 3 years of repayment. To manage these 3-year default rates, some schools hired consultants that encouraged borrowers with past-due payments to put their loans in forbearance, an option that allows borrowers to temporarily postpone payments. While forbearance can help borrowers avoid default in the short-term, it increases their costs over time and reduces the usefulness of the 3-year default rate as a tool to hold schools accountable. At five of the nine selected default management consultants (that served about 800 of 1,300 schools), GAO identified examples when forbearance was encouraged over other potentially more beneficial options for helping borrowers avoid default, such as repayment plans that base monthly payments on income. Based on a review of consultants' communications, GAO found four of these consultants provided inaccurate or incomplete information to borrowers about their repayment options in some instances. A typical borrower with $30,000 in loans who spends the first 3 years of repayment in forbearance would pay an additional $6,742 in interest, a 17 percent increase. GAO's analysis of Department of Education (Education) data found that 68 percent of borrowers who began repaying their loans in 2013 had loans in forbearance for some portion of the first 3 years, including 20 percent that had loans in forbearance for 18 months or more (see figure). Borrowers in long-term forbearance defaulted more often in the fourth year of repayment, when schools are not accountable for defaults, suggesting it may have delayed—not prevented—default. Statutory changes to strengthen schools' accountability for defaults could help further protect borrowers and taxpayers.

FEDERAL STUDENT LOANS:
Further Actions Needed to Implement Recommendations on Oversight of Loan Servicers


What GAO Found
The Department of Education (Education) relies on contracted loan servicers to help manage its outstanding federal student loans, but GAO has previously identified weaknesses with Education's oversight of these servicers. Education has implemented two of the six recommendations GAO made in a 2015 testimony and a 2016 report targeted at deficiencies in Education's guidance to servicers, oversight of servicer call centers, complaint tracking, and performance metrics. Education reported that the remaining four recommendations will be addressed over time through Education's broader redesign of its student loan system, although an Education official said that the specifics of that system have not yet been determined. GAO will continue to monitor Education's progress in implementing these open recommendations, which would help Education provide better service to borrowers and improve program integrity.

PRIVATE STUDENT LOANS:
Clarification from CFPB Could Help Ensure More Consistent Opportunities and Treatment for Borrowers


In May 2018, the Fair Credit Reporting Act was amended to allow some financial institutions—including banks—to voluntarily offer rehabilitation programs for borrowers who default on private student loans.

Borrowers who complete these programs can request to have the default removed from their credit reports, which could slightly improve their access to credit. Other financial institutions are also interested in offering these programs, but are not certain of their authority to do so.

We recommended that the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau clarify which types of financial institutions have the authority to implement these programs.

GAO is excellent on monitoring the efficiency of programs and their accountability to follow Congress's laws and provide necessary oversight. Recommendations on actions to be taken are also in each of these reports. Specifically, much of the problem can be traced to the Dept of Education and outside financial institutions to operate according to those laws. As for one example, it must be tremendously frustrating and with prolonged expense if one entered into the Public Loan Forgiveness Program, to be a responsible borrower making regular payments, to meet all the criteria and to complete the long application process with documentation just to have it languish on a desk while you continue to make payments. Vets may be in a similar situation.
 
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Where do you think this all ends if we continue to make believe that 18 year olds are well equipped to make life alterning financial decisions while we simultaneously ignore the piles of money being made by universities, international finance and the US government by strapping our nation's youth with unpayable debt?

There's plenty of blame to go around, student, parents, lenders, government and schools, but ultimately it's in the hands of the student.

1. I would hope they aren't left to fend for themselves and the parents are involved in helping make that decision. If they choose to ignore their parents advice, there's not much you can do.

2. I've already mentioned lenders shortcomings.

3. Schools should get more blame than they do. Prices escalate annually and they don't catch any heat. People get up in arms about the money spent on sports programs, but everyone ignores the arms race on the academic side. Schools are building new facilities and technology to attract the best teachers in hopes of attracting more students, but all of that comes at a cost. Right now it cost around $22K (all inclusive) to attend Purdue. When the last of my kids to attend Purdue went there in the early 2000's it was $16K. That's around a 27% increase in 15 years. I would imagine most state schools are very similar in increases. Private school are typically 50%-100% higher. Not sure how they justify it.

Buyer beware.

On a side note. The worst at repaying student loans? Doctors.
 
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Forgivable in bankruptcy and putting the educational institution on the hook for the loan would solve most of the problem very quickly.
 

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Notre Dame will require students to live on campus - and charge $15k/year to do so - you can go to State U for that price of just living and eating on campus? Rent a house with 4-6 people, eat ramen and save $10k/year pretty easily but administrators (who bloat the tuition cost) want to monopolize your choices.

Not to mention those dorms are posh - if you haven't been in one of the new ones, wow. Country club arms race is real and it ain't cheap.
 

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Not denying that student loan debt is a problem in this country, but the debate always seems to ignore the basic understanding of what debt is to begin with. People voluntarily borrow money with the agreement to pay it back themselves.

Chasten is a teacher. Idk his salary, but I doubt it's very high because we don't pay teachers well in this country. Regardless, he chose to attend Wisconsin (out of state for him) and then DePaul for his Masters....only to become a jr. high drama teacher? Sorry, but that's poor financial decision making on his part.

Mayor Pete makes over $100k per year. Pretty sure with the right budget and mindset, he could tackle his own student loans.

When I graduated college, I was $56,000 in debt and made $62,000 per year at my job. I paid my entire debt in full within 5 years of graduating.

Stop bitching. Make good decisions. Take on some responsibility. Buckle down. And pay it off yourself.

http://www.nea.org/home/2017-2018-average-starting-teacher-salary.html

Average starting salary in the US is just shy of $40,000 - not too shabby for nine months of work for a 22 year old. That would be over $53,000 full time. Not to mention benefits. Pretty well advertised information - aren't exactly entering that workforce blind. You also have a contracted pay scale that gives you annual pay increases with full visibility - the perpetual "give them a raise" is to shift the entire scale up, they already have raises built in.

Such a brutal arrangement that you have hundreds of applicants for open positions (except STEM positions).
 

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Notre Dame will require students to live on campus - and charge $15k/year to do so - you can go to State U for that price of just living and eating on campus? Rent a house with 4-6 people, eat ramen and save $10k/year pretty easily but administrators (who bloat the tuition cost) want to monopolize your choices.

Not to mention those dorms are posh - if you haven't been in one of the new ones, wow. Country club arms race is real and it ain't cheap.

I remember when the oldest son was at Purdue. He was in a dorm his freshman and sophomore years before getting an apartment with a bunch of friends. His sophomore year we take him up to drop him off for the year. As he's signing in, this guy at the table ask if he wants a private room at no additional cost. They're trying to find room for the freshmen. We walk down the hall and opened the door to a closet. They literally cleaned out a 7 X 7 closet with no windows in hopes of getting someone to take it.
 

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There's plenty of blame to go around, student, parents, lenders, government and schools, but ultimately it's in the hands of the student.

This is only true when it comes to student loans. Bad lending decisions have consquences, namely the debt being discharged in a bankruptcy, for creditors except when it comes to lending enormous sums of money to teenagers. The burden needs to be shifted to some extent like RDU suggests below. If not, don't be surprised when 20 somethings are welcoming a more socialist system with open arms.

1. I would hope they aren't left to fend for themselves and the parents are involved in helping make that decision. If they choose to ignore their parents advice, there's not much you can do.

Parents are naive and press their children to educate themselves at any cost. My parents were great, encouraged wise financial decision making but neither were equipped to understand the student loan issues young people are currently facing. Get an education, worry about getting a job and repaying the debt later - a common attitude parents have in my experience.


Forgivable in bankruptcy and putting the educational institution on the hook for the loan would solve most of the problem very quickly.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can't wait for these campaign ads.<br><br>"Vote for Biden. He'll cure cancer! I mean ... unless you like cancer. You don't LIKE cancer... do you?" <a href="https://t.co/5QpNA0ECZI">https://t.co/5QpNA0ECZI</a></p>— Ben (@BenHowe) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenHowe/status/1138505522880163841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This is only true when it comes to student loans. Bad lending decisions have consquences, namely the debt being discharged in a bankruptcy, for creditors except when it comes to lending enormous sums of money to teenagers. The burden needs to be shifted to some extent like RDU suggests below. If not, don't be surprised when 20 somethings are welcoming a more socialist system with open arms.



Parents are naive and press their children to educate themselves at any cost. My parents were great, encouraged wise financial decision making but neither were equipped to understand the student loan issues young people are currently facing. Get an education, worry about getting a job and repaying the debt later - a common attitude parents have in my experience.

This is where we'll not agree. Especially with the bad publicity student loans have gotten over the last five years. The terms on student loans aren't that different from any other loan except for forbearance and deferment terms aren't usually in other loans.

I agree some of the burden needs to be shifted, but not totally. I haven't been at Sallie Mae in 11 years and haven't stayed completely on top of the laws, so this may have changed some since then. Back when I worked there when a student defaulted on a guaranteed loan, after doing their due diligence (phone calls and letters over a period of time) the guarantor goes to the Feds to get reimbursed for the loan. Here's the kicker and where the real money is made. After receiving their reimbursement, guarantors can continue to collect on the loan.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can't wait for these campaign ads.<br><br>"Vote for Biden. He'll cure cancer! I mean ... unless you like cancer. You don't LIKE cancer... do you?" <a href="https://t.co/5QpNA0ECZI">https://t.co/5QpNA0ECZI</a></p>— Ben (@BenHowe) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenHowe/status/1138505522880163841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Trying hard to distinguish himself from the rest of the candidate pool but picked a subject everyone knows isn't going to happen during his term if elected.
 

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Trying hard to distinguish himself from the rest of the candidate pool but picked a subject everyone knows isn't going to happen during his term if elected.

There's literally a West Wing about "curing cancer." Biden should watch more TV, Bartlett abandons it for a reason.

With that being said, this race is looking exceedingly predictable. All of the Dem candidates are going to gang up on Biden. All of them. They will be aided by the blue checkmarks and Vox and their ilk, because Biden is not "progressive" or "woke" enough.

Biden's lead will continue to shrink over the next 8 months. Bernie will run at a solid 25%-40% the entire time. He will follow the Trump plan of being an outsider looking to win on the fervor of a fiercely loyal plurality of supporters while everyone else splits "moderate" votes. As long as the Democratic field stays overcrowded, Bernie has a path the the nomination. But if you get any combination of Warren, Harris, Buttigieg to drop early whoever is left standing will beat Bernie. I think ego will keep most of these people in the race far too long, except Buttigieg who ironically might be best suited of the bunch to be President.
 

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There's literally a West Wing about "curing cancer." Biden should watch more TV, Bartlett abandons it for a reason.

With that being said, this race is looking exceedingly predictable. All of the Dem candidates are going to gang up on Biden. All of them. They will be aided by the blue checkmarks and Vox and their ilk, because Biden is not "progressive" or "woke" enough.

Biden's lead will continue to shrink over the next 8 months. Bernie will run at a solid 25%-40% the entire time. He will follow the Trump plan of being an outsider looking to win on the fervor of a fiercely loyal plurality of supporters while everyone else splits "moderate" votes. As long as the Democratic field stays overcrowded, Bernie has a path the the nomination. But if you get any combination of Warren, Harris, Buttigieg to drop early whoever is left standing will beat Bernie. I think ego will keep most of these people in the race far too long, except Buttigieg who ironically might be best suited of the bunch to be President.



.and that sums up the Democratic party most perfectly.
 

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Biden takes heat for saying sometimes you have to work with segregationist to get things accomplished. Opponents for the nomination are all over this. Biden didn't say he agreed or supported them. They must have slept through their U.S. History class. Anyone remember WWII and our alliance with Russia?

Joe Biden gets in his own way on race

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/joe-biden-race-2020-election/index.html
 

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Bernie, AOC, the chick who married her brother want to cancel all student loan debt. The most absurd thing here is that student loan debt *is* an issue but the actual solution is to stop giving people loans. College tuition will drop precipitously once you stop subsidizing it and the army of unnecessary administrators on payroll.
 

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Bernie, AOC, the chick who married her brother want to cancel all student loan debt. The most absurd thing here is that student loan debt *is* an issue but the actual solution is to stop giving people loans. College tuition will drop precipitously once you stop subsidizing it and the army of unnecessary administrators on payroll.

yup, stop giving people loans, or get the gov out of loans.
i'm actually for free education, but nothing like these jokers want.
i managed to put myself through college without loans.
 

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Bernie, AOC, the chick who married her brother want to cancel all student loan debt. The most absurd thing here is that student loan debt *is* an issue but the actual solution is to stop giving people loans. College tuition will drop precipitously once you stop subsidizing it and the army of unnecessary administrators on payroll.

It was a noble idea when it was put in place. Make education available to anyone to better your life. Alas, the politicians who passed the law didn't look deep enough into the possible consequences and here we are.

Students loans will continue, but it needs revamped. Maybe students grades need to be reported back to the lender and if they get a grade below a certain level they are cut off. Or if they drop out and want to return to school they have to pay their own way until they have the grades to qualify.

I also like the idea of free education. We already have 17 states that pay. In Indiana, the student has to maintain a 2.5 GPA and have earned a 21st Century Scholars HS diploma.
 

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Schools underwrite the loans that become forgivable in bankruptcy - problem solved. Piles of loans available for STEM, pay your own way to study obscure, unmarketable garbage.

The beauty of Irish#1's idea of cutting off the underachiever is they are less marketable in the workplace and less likely to be able to pay off the loan. Creates quite the trap for the student with no risk to the college. Many probably weren't college material and got bad advice to even go that route in the first place. Now they hold the bag on an expensive half education? No - college eats the cost. Then they do a better job of screening out kids that don't belong or more likely to drop out. Or they provide better guidance for matching the kids' aptitude/ability to a marketable educational solution.

Also think more moderate reforms could be done to look at interest versus principle paid on loans. Say the principle gets paid first and interest is forgivable for example. The compounding can get pretty devastating.
 
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