2020 ND Football Schedule Options

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Union or not, the players now know their value and can connect in seconds. College football, whether it is played this year or not, will never be the same. I think its a positive, but its forever changed.
 

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So Big 10 and pac 12 cancel tomorrow, big 12 and ACC on the fence. SEC trying to get schools to join them for a year
 

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Listening to Clay Travis this morning. He's on rant. Evidently the B1G wants to cancel, but doesn't want to do it by themselves and are trying to get the other conferences to join in. Penn St players are tweeting about wanting to play.

This is a liability issue IMO. The B1G doesn't want to be held accountable if any athlete contracts COVID and ends up dying. The trickle down effect for all the businesses/employees that count on the CFB season will be enormous.


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So Big 10 and pac 12 cancel tomorrow, big 12 and ACC on the fence. SEC trying to get schools to join them for a year

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DP was told an hour ago that the Big 10 and Pac 12 will cancel their football seasons tomorrow... The ACC and the Big 12 are on the fence.. And the SEC is trying to get teams to join them for a season. <br><br>Watch live: <a href="https://t.co/sMaeXQkLfl">https://t.co/sMaeXQkLfl</a> <a href="https://t.co/oSUNGMTEqw">pic.twitter.com/oSUNGMTEqw</a></p>— Dan Patrick Show (@dpshow) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1292810469779136512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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I applaud the BIG 10 for making a tough decision and being the first P5 conference to delay the season until the spring (at the very least).

I am glad they did because jr./sr. high schools will not budge on this until they see leaders and larger organizations make decisions like this.

I love football, and I coach football, but delaying the season is what should happen especially at the younger levels. We should have available vaccines before the spring, and we will hopefully know more about the long term side effects of the virus by then. As a coach of young people, the last thing I want to do is feel responsible for their health (in a new way). We already go through training to be able to help protect our children from concussions, heat sickness/stroke, etc. but viruses are not something we can be expected to be experts on, and without the resources of these major universities, I believe it is foolish for us to think that we can compete safely.

No one wants to lose football, but you will really lose football if the season creates a health crisis. And again, I would not be as worried about the college athletes at the major universities that will get great health care, but I worry for the smaller universities and high schools across America.
 

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Oh man Beau... I totally disagree with like every word you just typed lol

Would love to hear on what you specifically disagree with.

Would also love to hear how playing in the spring offers any kind of downside, whereas playing in the fall might have an obvious one.
 

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Would love to hear on what you specifically disagree with.

Would also love to hear how playing in the spring offers any kind of downside, whereas playing in the fall might have an obvious one.


I'm curious. What do multi-sport athletes do if you move the football season to the Spring? Baseball or soccer players?
 

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I'm curious. What do multi-sport athletes do if you move the football season to the Spring? Baseball or soccer players?

Discussions have been made that football would be played in the early spring (March-May) and baseball would be played at the end of spring to essentially the beginning of the next calendar school year (May-July).

Soccer is not offered at my school, but I assume it would be played during the same time as football as that's when it is played during a regular school year (in the fall during a regular school year, unless that changed at some point in time).
 

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Discussions have been made that football would be played in the early spring (March-May) and baseball would be played at the end of spring to essentially the beginning of the next calendar school year (May-July).

Soccer is not offered at my school, but I assume it would be played during the same time as football as that's when it is played during a regular school year (in the fall during a regular school year, unless that changed at some point in time).

It's not that way every where. Football is a fall sport and soccer is a spring sport throughout most of the south. Quite a few athletes play both football and soccer.
 

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Cancelling the season is incredibly shortsighted IMO. There is effectively no risk of death to this age population from COVID. Of the 140K deaths, only 225 were individuals between 15-24. This is a CYA decision based on narrative and not fact.

Further, I’d argue that not playing football actually increases the chances that the athletes get COVID, particularly if they return to campus this fall. College students are going to do college things.
 

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It's not that way every where. Football is a fall sport and soccer is a spring sport throughout most of the south. Quite a few athletes play both football and soccer.

So then play it the same time as baseball down there?
 

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I applaud the BIG 10 for making a tough decision and being the first P5 conference to delay the season until the spring (at the very least).

I am glad they did because jr./sr. high schools will not budge on this until they see leaders and larger organizations make decisions like this.

I love football, and I coach football, but delaying the season is what should happen especially at the younger levels. We should have available vaccines before the spring, and we will hopefully know more about the long term side effects of the virus by then. As a coach of young people, the last thing I want to do is feel responsible for their health (in a new way). We already go through training to be able to help protect our children from concussions, heat sickness/stroke, etc. but viruses are not something we can be expected to be experts on, and without the resources of these major universities, I believe it is foolish for us to think that we can compete safely.

No one wants to lose football, but you will really lose football if the season creates a health crisis. And again, I would not be as worried about the college athletes at the major universities that will get great health care, but I worry for the smaller universities and high schools across America.

Do you feel the same about kids attending classes, both at the college and high school level? Seems that if playing a sport is too dangerous, then having hundreds of kids together in a building is so as well. I'm not saying you're wrong, just curious if you think they go hand in hand.
 

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So Big 10 and pac 12 cancel tomorrow, big 12 and ACC on the fence. SEC trying to get schools to join them for a year

Fingers crossed this happens. College football won't even notice Pac 12 is out this year, and the only reason to watch Big 10 is to see OSU slaughter Michigan by 30.

I'm still convinced the SEC won't cancel football unless an asteroid hits Tuscaloosa.
 

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Cancelling the season is incredibly shortsighted IMO. There is effectively no risk of death to this age population from COVID. Of the 140K deaths, only 225 were individuals between 15-24. This is a CYA decision based on narrative and not fact.

Further, I’d argue that not playing football actually increases the chances that the athletes get COVID, particularly if they return to campus this fall. College students are going to do college things.

All this ^^^
 

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Union or not, the players now know their value and can connect in seconds. College football, whether it is played this year or not, will never be the same. I think its a positive, but its forever changed.

I strongly agree. If this season gets cancelled it will be because schools have so much power over their student athletes that the students cannot come together and make a free choice to participate.
 

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Would love to hear on what you specifically disagree with.

Would also love to hear how playing in the spring offers any kind of downside, whereas playing in the fall might have an obvious one.

Here are my general thoughts:

1. This decision has nothing to do with the health of the participants. It only has to do with university presidents... who are already staring at massive budget shortfalls... wanting to avoid taking steep financial losses from reduced (or eliminated) ticket sales. They think if they can play the games in the spring with full stands that it makes them tens of millions of dollars relative to playing now.

2. High school sports were already making decisions like this regardless of what pro or collegiate sports were doing. California, Virginia, and many other states already pushed their sports to 2021. No two local governments is created the same, so there is still a ton of nationwide inconsistency on school policy. I don't see how this changes that. Georgia isn't going to suddenly abandon their sports and school policies because Big Ten presidents are in dire financial straits.

3. It's incredibly valid to cancel school sports at the prep level. You don't have the means or resources to put in the protocols necessary to test, monitor, and treat every participant. And when there is a case in a high school, it can spread not only throughout the team or school but be brought home to families and the community at large. This is simply not the case for any college that 1) tests its students before they return to campus 2) limits player interaction outside of campus. To use Notre Dame as an example, there is no logic that they can safely hold classes this fall but tested & cleared players participating in a game with other tested & cleared players puts them at some sort of risk. This is very different than a public high school where every day you have hundreds of people interacting with thousands of potential transmission vectors.

4. We have seen multiple pro leagues now go forward with their seasons without issue. The PLL just finished their season without a single positive case because they used common sense protocols for testing/screening/quarantine leading up to the season. NHL and NBA are doing fine.

5. Playing the season in the spring has a potentially drastic impact on who is even able to play depending on what the NFL does. It's plausible that you just cost thousands of healthy players their final season if the NFL does not drastically alter their draft structure.

I don't think a spring season is, in concept, a bad idea. I do think that these decisions are being made for strictly financial reasons, and I do think a lot of players are going to be adversely impacted if the NFL doesn't move their draft backwards ~3 months (which might not even be feasible). In principle, I think college administrators are putting money in front of the best interest of the participants, and that's unethical. Players overwhelmingly want to play this fall -- fans or no fans.
 

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Cancelling the season is incredibly shortsighted IMO. There is effectively no risk of death to this age population from COVID. Of the 140K deaths, only 225 were individuals between 15-24. This is a CYA decision based on narrative and not fact.

Further, I’d argue that not playing football actually increases the chances that the athletes get COVID, particularly if they return to campus this fall. College students are going to do college things.

Two things:

I think it is not just about death, but it is about long term side effects and their ability to transmit this virus to others that may be more susceptible. Players are still going to be given preferential health care compared to the rest of the students if need be. And if I had to guess, practices and workouts will still continue in some capacity.

Secondly, if there is some significant increase in cases among athletes if they return home and not when isolated in a bubble without other students, I think that just further proves how this could be a bad idea when the other students do return or how this maybe a bad idea for schools without the necessary resources to protect them. If we think the athletes won't mingle with other students when they return, we're wrong. And if it's still fine for students to mingle but not the athletes, I think that shows where your priorities lie.
 

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Here are my general thoughts:

1. This decision has nothing to do with the health of the participants. It only has to do with university presidents... who are already staring at massive budget shortfalls... wanting to avoid taking steep financial losses from reduced (or eliminated) ticket sales. They think if they can play the games in the spring with full stands that it makes them tens of millions of dollars relative to playing now.

2. High school sports were already making decisions like this regardless of what pro or collegiate sports were doing. California, Virginia, and many other states already pushed their sports to 2021. No two local governments is created the same, so there is still a ton of nationwide inconsistency on school policy. I don't see how this changes that. Georgia isn't going to suddenly abandon their sports and school policies because Big Ten presidents are in dire financial straits.

3. It's incredibly valid to cancel school sports at the prep level. You don't have the means or resources to put in the protocols necessary to test, monitor, and treat every participant. And when there is a case in a high school, it can spread not only throughout the team or school but be brought home to families and the community at large. This is simply not the case for any college that 1) tests its students before they return to campus 2) limits player interaction outside of campus. To use Notre Dame as an example, there is no logic that they can safely hold classes this fall but tested & cleared players participating in a game with other tested & cleared players puts them at some sort of risk. This is very different than a public high school where every day you have hundreds of people interacting with thousands of potential transmission vectors.

4. We have seen multiple pro leagues now go forward with their seasons without issue. The PLL just finished their season without a single positive case because they used common sense protocols for testing/screening/quarantine leading up to the season. NHL and NBA are doing fine.

5. Playing the season in the spring has a potentially drastic impact on who is even able to play depending on what the NFL does. It's plausible that you just cost thousands of healthy players their final season if the NFL does not drastically alter their draft structure.

I don't think a spring season is, in concept, a bad idea. I do think that these decisions are being made for strictly financial reasons, and I do think a lot of players are going to be adversely impacted if the NFL doesn't move their draft backwards ~3 months (which might not even be feasible). In principle, I think college administrators are putting money in front of the best interest of the participants, and that's unethical. Players overwhelmingly want to play this fall -- fans or no fans.

1. Not saying the universities really have the best interests of players at heart, but I think it may still be the right answer.

2. I'm seeing this from the standpoint of a not very progressive state. You might think the Big Ten might not influence Georgia's decisions, but perhaps the Big Ten, the SEC, and the ACC all delaying might.

3. Sounds like we probably really agree here that the prep school level is likely further in danger than the large universities, but I think smaller universities have already been outed in not being able to properly test their athletes which put anyone they come into contact with at risk (compared to places like ND where they are regularly tested).

4. No one should want to treat college sports like a professional sports team. Even ND has players living in regular student dorms, no?

5. I think getting the NFL to make an exemption for this season may be easier to accomplish than a fall season.

I definitely want them to play. Their careers may depend on it so I definitely do not want them to lose out on that, but I think the players want to play because their players. They are not necessarily seeing the big picture, healthwise.
 

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Secondly, if there is some significant increase in cases among athletes if they return home and not when isolated in a bubble without other students, I think that just further proves how this could be a bad idea when the other students do return or how this maybe a bad idea for schools without the necessary resources to protect them. If we think the athletes won't mingle with other students when they return, we're wrong. And if it's still fine for students to mingle but not the athletes, I think that shows where your priorities lie.

My view is that there should not be any quasi-lockdowns or restrictions to commerce and that individuals, especially those outside of at risk age-populations (primarily 80+), should go about their daily lives in a largely normal manner with some common sense precautions (i.e. wear a facemask when in public).

Our shared COVID experience has taught us a few things:

1) Lockdowns and shutting down business are a largely ineffective method of controlling the virus. COVID hot spots have no relation to local lockdown policies. This virus WILL run its course through the US population.

2) Our healthcare system has the capacity to manage the virus. This was initially the key to any lockdown measures ("bend the curve") and the threat of overwhelming the healthcare system is effectively zero right now. Wasn't that the point of this in the first place?

3) This virus is only a real threat to our most-senior citizens or individuals with severe pre-existing conditions.

It sounds like you want to hold out until there is a vaccine. A vaccine is not a magical cure to this thing, nor is it even a guarantee to happen. The shift in approach to COVID has moved from one of "don't overwhelm the healthcare system" to "shut down society" without the consideration of broader impacts of policy. IMO, this decision regarding collegiate sports, and schooling more broadly, is reflective of that.
 

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My view is that there should not be any quasi-lockdowns or restrictions to commerce and that individuals, especially those outside of at risk age-populations (primarily 80+), should go about their daily lives in a largely normal manner with some common sense precautions (i.e. wear a facemask when in public).

Our shared COVID experience has taught us a few things:

1) Lockdowns and shutting down business are a largely ineffective method of controlling the virus. COVID hot spots have no relation to local lockdown policies. This virus WILL run its course through the US population.

2) Our healthcare system has the capacity to manage the virus. This was initially the key to any lockdown measures ("bend the curve") and the threat of overwhelming the healthcare system is effectively zero right now. Wasn't that the point of this in the first place?

3) This virus is only a real threat to our most-senior citizens or individuals with severe pre-existing conditions.

It sounds like you want to hold out until there is a vaccine. A vaccine is not a magical cure to this thing, nor is it even a guarantee to happen. The shift in approach to COVID has moved from one of "don't overwhelm the healthcare system" to "shut down society" without the consideration of broader impacts of policy. IMO, this decision regarding collegiate sports, and schooling more broadly, is reflective of that.

1. I feel as though lockdowns have hardly been followed. Hell I just went to get lunch down the road from my school and there were people without any masks on in the subway despite several signs reminding them that there is a STATE MANDATE. People just don't give a crap. Look at other nations, the lockdowns worked there.

2. Our hospitals are still largely not accepting elective procedures in order to be prepared for any kind of surge. If operating normally, they run at what, 75%-80% capacity on a regular basis.

3. Pre-existing conditions is a pretty wide term especially considering weight can play a big factor here and we all know America is fat as hell. And again, I would be concerned about the long term effects of the virus which we still know little about, but there have been several cases of seemingly permanent damage done to those who survived it and even those who hardly suffered because of it.

There are dozens of vaccines being worked on. I don't think it will simply disappear with a vaccine, but it's not like it won't help.
 

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I feel players would be safer sticking with football activities than if they were advised to be a regular student.
 

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I feel players would be safer sticking with football activities than if they were advised to be a regular student.

This is almost undeniably true. There is no safer 18-22 year old right now that the one who plays major college football. I mean that with 100% sincerity.
 

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This is almost undeniably true. There is no safer 18-22 year old right now that the one who plays major college football. I mean that with 100% sincerity.

I do agree with this, btw. But I am curious how this changes when other students return.
 

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There are dozens of vaccines being worked on. I don't think it will simply disappear with a vaccine, but it's not like it won't help.

Our last comparable pandemic, the Spanish Flu, wasn't dealt with via a newly researched vaccine. It simply mutated into a less deadly strain and became one of the many variations of seasonal flu we still deal with today. You can't beat this type of virus with a vaccine any more than you can cure the common cold.
 
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