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ulukinatme

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Republicans are rolling out their own, unofficial ballot boxes in California.

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The California GOP refuses the SecSt's order to remove them. Preparing for showing how many votes were misdirected and allegations of massive voter fraud?

I mean, if Democrats are stupid enough to put their ballots in a Republican drop off...
Seems more likely the Republicans want a secure place that their constituents can leave ballots without worrying about tampering.
Besides...I thought we were told that there is no voter fraud in this country!
 

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A young man who became a woman, Joe Biden to a question from a mother that has an 8 year old trans kid. That’s your platform
 

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I mean, if Democrats are stupid enough to put their ballots in a Republican drop off...
Seems more likely the Republicans want a secure place that their constituents can leave ballots without worrying about tampering.
Besides...I thought we were told that there is no voter fraud in this country!

You know that these unofficial boxes they are setting up are illegal and they are made to look official such that unsuspecting people could put their votes in them thereby denying those people their lawful vote......right?

This IS voter fraud being committed by GOP officials.
 

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You know that these unofficial boxes they are setting up are illegal and they are made to look official such that unsuspecting people could put their votes in them thereby denying those people their lawful vote......right?

This IS voter fraud being committed by GOP officials.

Please stop and use italics unless you are kidding. If not god help us
 

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I don't have time right now to respond line by line, but the bottom line is that NYP has not released anything that can be used to verify the authenticity of emails.

The FBI has not denied having the laptop either. And if they have it, easily able to verify.

They also haven't gone on record to state they've verified the authenticity themselves, nor is anyone providing access to the alleged hard drive for independent verification.

If you're the NYP, or anyone else, would you give up the hard drives lol? Especially if the FBI already have the laptop and have sat on it (if true)?

All of this is extremely fishy, and what we have right now are some image files that can't be verified as legitimate emails. This also comes on the heels of Russia hacking Burisma and the US Intelligence warning that they were going to release forged documents alongside legitimate ones they got in the hacks in October.

LOL, that's a great way to try and dismiss literally anything and everything that might come out.... Again, if the FBI has it, should be easy to dismiss or not right? It could be 100% bullshit, but if so, not hard to prove/disprove.

For the story itself, it took less than a day for major holes to be blown in it. There is no record of a meeting with Joe Biden. The Biden campaign says it didn't happen, people who were with Biden on the day in question say it didn't happen, Hunter Biden's rep says it didn't happen. Joe Biden's schedule makes it seemingly impossible to have had any meeting that day. Maybe a handshake in a rope line or other public venue? There's also no Hunter Biden response to the alleged email.

Bahahahaha.... A WAPO story claiming "major holes blown in it" because it's not on Joe's official calendar... If you were Joe, would you put it on your calendar, or have the meeting include anyone but you, they guy, and Hunter? And Hunter's people denying it... bahahahahaha.

So what we have is completely unverifiable "emails", no evidence of any meeting taking place, no evidence of any policy shift or wrongdoing per Republicans themselves. It is equally likely that this a disinformation campaign than it is that the FBI has had a hard drive since 2019 with authenticated emails and failed to disclose these documents in numerous probes/subpoenas. I'm reserving all judgment until someone can even do the bare minimum of proving the story behind the documents and the documents themselves are legit.

It actually doesn't seem like you're reserving any judgement. You're already citing lazy "calendar" excuses as why it would be impossible for Joe to meet this guy. I've worked a lot of years travelling with packed calendars and calendars certainly aren't always accurate for both innocent and purposeful reasons. And I've took plenty of meetings that weren't on my "full" calendar. And honestly, how hard it is to take a private meeting in a hotel room?

And as much as Hannity & Co. want to repeat the narrative about Shokin being fired to protect Hunter it is 100% debunked. Sorry. It has been fact checked so many times by so many reputable organizations across the world:
So to recap:
1. Every NATO-aligned interest wanted Shokin gone because he wasn't tough on corruption and wasn't going after Zlochevsky.
2. The idea to withhold loan guarantees as a carrot to force him out came from the US Embassy in Kyiv. It was not a Biden decision, it was a culmination of US foreign policy that Biden executed well.
3. It was part of broader policy initiatives to move Ukraine out of the sphere of Russian influence and eliminate corruption in the country. There are documents supporting this going back to 2015.

So we have all that context, and we know that Russia hacked Burisma in January and US intelligence officials warned of an October disinformation campaign last month after catching chatter about it. People can draw their own conclusions, but don't act surprised why many are treating this with a heavy dose of skepticism.

First of all, I have no disagreement that that Shokin is corrupt. You however seem to have zero ability to admit Shokin could have easily been pressured out by the EU, who had likely more interest in the area, as well as more ability to flex. You are also unwilling to embrace the fact Zlochevsky and Burisma, who Hunter worked for, was corrupt as hell and was caught bribing officials to make all these investigations that supposedly "weren't going on", go away...

Again, like I've said, the investigation into Burisma has been a changing story. First the story was there was never an investigation, then it was found there was one but the story changed to yes, there was one but Shokin didn't pursue. Then there was the whole bribery situation. Then they said well yes, Zlochevsky bribed, but it wasn't about Burisma lol, and Hunter wasn't involved.

In short, the entire situation is a clown show. And Hunter was right in the middle. And Daddy did know. Daddy was made of aware by internal US security about how it looked. Daddy didn't care. It really doesn't matter if Shokin was pressured out because of it, but by all means continue to hang your hat on it. What matters is, Hunter was hired by an infamously corrupt business owned by an infamously corrupt person, he was hired because of his dad, his dad knew it, and his dad was in the middle of all the stink.

The Shokin connection means little. What matters to me, and what should matter to most, is if Biden lied it all, or met with Burisma. And again, the FBI should be able to dismiss or confirm the emails. If they say it's BS, it's fine, and it makes Rudy and everyone look silly. Right? It could all very well be BS, but the attempts by the media to bury this is hilarious. And to keep pointing to WAPO articles means very little. It's like me pointing to Hannity.
 

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Oops probably a mistake on my part to use "ya'll" when addressing you. I'll update my notes to take you out of the YJ/Drayer/NorthDakota clan lol

Trump is a bag of dicks. Joe is a bag of old small dicks that don't work.


Do I conform to your "clan"
 

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You know that these unofficial boxes they are setting up are illegal and they are made to look official such that unsuspecting people could put their votes in them thereby denying those people their lawful vote......right?

This IS voter fraud being committed by GOP officials.

But voter fraud doesn't exist I thought?

Oh, only GOPers commit voter fraud? Is that it?
 

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But voter fraud doesn't exist I thought?

Oh, only GOPers commit voter fraud? Is that it?

YJ ....lol. Cmon. This is real. It’s being reported on right now. The GOP are doing it in California. A judge orders them to cease and desist. You are also putting words in my mouth. I never said it didn’t exist and never said only GOP is doing it. I’m kinda of disappointed with this...
 
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The Trump town hall vs the Biden infomercials....

Did Trump get anywhere near the softballs Biden did lol... The host seemed more lib reporter than moderator. I have zero problem with the way Trump is treated, but why not treat Biden the same?

Surprised nobody mentioned this....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">C-SPAN has suspended its political editor, Steve Scully, after he admitted he'd lied about his Twitter feed being hacked. Scully had been selected to moderate the debate that was supposed to take place tonight. <a href="https://t.co/KQ26FPY4ji">https://t.co/KQ26FPY4ji</a></p>— CNN (@CNN) <a href="https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1316843243657625602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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The Trump town hall vs the Biden infomercials....

Did Trump get anywhere near the softballs Biden did lol... The host seemed more lib reporter than moderator. I have zero problem with the way Trump is treated, but why not treat Biden the same?

Surprised nobody mentioned this....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">C-SPAN has suspended its political editor, Steve Scully, after he admitted he'd lied about his Twitter feed being hacked. Scully had been selected to moderate the debate that was supposed to take place tonight. <a href="https://t.co/KQ26FPY4ji">https://t.co/KQ26FPY4ji</a></p>— CNN (@CNN) <a href="https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1316843243657625602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Don't the campaigns agree on moderators?
 

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YJ ....lol. Cmon. This is real. It’s being reported on right now. The GOP are doing it.

But it's so rare, it's like it doesn't matter, right?

That's the story on the other prosecutions right? Or is it that it only happens when it's reported lol.... or only matters when it's the GOP lol.
 

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Don't the campaigns agree on moderators?

Not sure exactly how they are picked. It's run by the CPD, which has it's share of scandal.

I mean, in the last two presidential elections, we've had Donna Brazil giving the questions to HRC, and now a Biden homer found to be lying and fired...

CPD should be abolished, and whatever process they are using obviously is flawed.
 

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Don't the campaigns agree on moderators?

Idk if they agree or not, but its no secret that journalism as a field is very very very very left of center. The GOP has to basically pick their poison when it comes to moderators.
 

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You know that these unofficial boxes they are setting up are illegal and they are made to look official such that unsuspecting people could put their votes in them thereby denying those people their lawful vote......right?

This IS voter fraud being committed by GOP officials.



Wait - are they not submitting the ballots that are dropped off? Are they tampering with them once they are placed? Why the assumption of foul play? Project much? If they open them all to make sure the vote is "right" before submitting wouldn't they be getting them all thrown out? So nefarious to collect ballots in your own stronghold to manipulate - worst cheaters ever.

Also looks like the legality is debatable.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/10/14/california-gop-stands-unofficial-ballot-boxes-wont-remove-them/3660734001/


I live in a Dem heavy district - I would never absentee ballot, in person only.
 

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Folks took on Russia hoax hook, line and sinker but now we have to believe Hunter is innocent b/c everything is fake. FBI has discredited themselves so much the only way they can believably answer is to confirm the emails. Anyone really believe them if they say they are fake?
 

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Wait - are they not submitting the ballots that are dropped off? Are they tampering with them once they are placed? Why the assumption of foul play? Project much? If they open them all to make sure the vote is "right" before submitting wouldn't they be getting them all thrown out? So nefarious to collect ballots in your own stronghold to manipulate - worst cheaters ever.

Also looks like the legality is debatable.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/10/14/california-gop-stands-unofficial-ballot-boxes-wont-remove-them/3660734001/


I live in a Dem heavy district - I would never absentee ballot, in person only.

They are unofficial boxes put up by the GOP that doesn't follow any normal chain of custody or handling procedure.... so yes foul play is likely possibility considering what the GOP has done elsewhere (cough cough NC 09). The GOP is claiming they are illegal, that doesnt mean it isnt.

Some were marked as "official" which isnt true and felonious.

In a press conference, the two officials (CA SoS and AG) made the following arguments:

Under state law, only counties have the legal authority to set up drop boxes for ballots.
If a third party is charged with delivering a ballot on behalf of someone else, the voter has to know who that person is and both have to sign the ballot envelope to establish a paper trail.
Describing an unofficial ballot box as “official” may constitute impersonating an elections officer, which is a felony.
 

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They are unofficial boxes put up by the GOP that doesn't follow any normal chain of custody or handling procedure.... so yes foul play is likely possibility considering what the GOP has done elsewhere (cough cough NC 09). The GOP is claiming they are illegal, that doesnt mean it isnt.

Some were marked as "official" which isnt true and felonious.

They've stopped marking them official. As far as the boxes themselves, it's legal to accept ballots from individuals in California as long as the recepticle is secured properly. They're not breaking any laws.

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/artic...tiny-in-california-elections/?ref=TSM&sba=AAS
 

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Just saw that 21 million early ballots have already been cast. Number could easily eclipse 50+ million by election day as many states are just beginning early voting.
 

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Just saw that 21 million early ballots have already been cast. Number could easily eclipse 50+ million by election day as many states are just beginning early voting.

You love to see it. GF's grandparents are big Trumpers who'd make Irishize and YJ look like AOC in comparison, just voted by mail in GA. Insane they parrotted the same insane talking points that mail in is only for Dems to cheat.
 

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They are unofficial boxes put up by the GOP that doesn't follow any normal chain of custody or handling procedure.... so yes foul play is likely possibility considering what the GOP has done elsewhere (cough cough NC 09). The GOP is claiming they are illegal, that doesnt mean it isnt.

Some were marked as "official" which isnt true and felonious.

Proper chain of custody like ballot harvesting....

bahahaha
 

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They've stopped marking them official. As far as the boxes themselves, it's legal to accept ballots from individuals in California as long as the recepticle is secured properly. They're not breaking any laws.

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/artic...tiny-in-california-elections/?ref=TSM&sba=AAS

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The Cease and Desist letter did not stop them, so

California Republicans defend ballot boxes as subpoenas are issued

State law says that a “vote by mail ballot drop box” should be a “secure receptacle established by a county or city and county elections official whereby a voted vote by mail ballot may be returned to the elections official from whom it was obtained.”

A spokesperson for the attorney general’s office said in an email that lawfully collected ballots may be stored in a number of ways, “but they may not be collected through unauthorized drop boxes.” The term “drop” was emphasized in the email in boldface.

“In other words,” the spokesperson said, “if ballots have been collected lawfully, they may be stored in a secure box as long as they are delivered within three days.”

Sad if someone's ballot placed in any of those boxes is disallowed.
 

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So hardened and secure drop boxes are bad, but you can ballot harvest using partisan collectors all day long.

Got it! Just checking.

Republicans are really trying hard to cheat a state that has no chance of turning red. 🥴🥴
 
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