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Well, Phase I of the disinfo op landed flat. Now Phase II is starting. Ron Johnson says child porn on the laptop. I’m sure this is legit though.

This idea and the media response is completely laughable. Anger and denial over bad news for your preferred candidate while big tech gives the assist on suppressing the news doesn’t mean it fell flat.

Where’s the denial or evidence it didn’t happen?
 

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A small group of nut jobs plotting to kidnap a governor is not equatable to cities being burned down, looting, rioting, etc by thousands of people in an organized manner.

Every bit this. When someone goes out of their way to defend or deflect from Antifa and their bull it makes it hard for me to take anything else they bring to the table in these broader discussions as anything but full in the weeds partisanship. Honestly, there are so many posters in these threads I completely tune out at this point.
 
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It’s 100% true. The same five posters can be counted on with total accuracy to respond to anything even remotely non partisan as being partisan.

It’s hilarious that anyone thinks people in this thread are in any way non biased. Hilarious.

These threads are fucking terrible.
 
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It’s 100% true. The same five posters can be counted on with total accuracy to respond to anything even remotely non partisan as being partisan.

It’s hilarious that anyone thinks people in this thread are in any way non biased. Hilarious.

You compared firebombing an ICE facility and trying to lock people inside a building and lighting it on fire to vandalism....just saying.
 

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The fact that you think that is different from a coordinated preplanjed operation to kidnap, try and execute a governor is different is totally no biased.

The right is always lone nut jobs and the left is always a large group of leftist criminals lol. Never changes.
 

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I thought after a while it would be different. But it isn’t. Same shit. Always. Like this is some place of nonpartisan truth telling ruined business leftist pinkoncommies. Lmao
 
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The fact that you think that is different from a coordinated preplanjed operation to kidnap, try and execute a governor is different is totally no biased.

The right is always lone nut jobs and the left is always a large group of leftist criminals lol. Never changes.

I think the point is, you have a few crazies that nobody condones, plotting a kidnapping that never takes place. Then you have condoned violence going on daily/nightly that has included vandalism, looting, shooting, killing, beatings, burnings, etc.. And you guys call it "most peaceful protests"...
 

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The fact that you think that is different from a coordinated preplanjed operation to kidnap, try and execute a governor is different is totally no biased.

The right is always lone nut jobs and the left is always a large group of leftist criminals lol. Never changes.

I'm not the idiot who compared those actions to vandalism. Trying to move some goalposts now?
 

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TBH I wasn’t aware of the firebombing story at all. I don’t keep up with or defend antifa. I thought it was referencing the vandalism stories that were always being reported about.
 

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TBH I wasn’t aware of the firebombing story at all. I don’t keep up with or defend antifa. I thought it was referencing the vandalism stories that were always being reported about.

MSM doesn't report any non-peaceful things lol... unless it's from the Proud Boys. Then it's front page.
 

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MSM doesn't report any non-peaceful things lol... unless it's from the Proud Boys. Then it's front page.

See this just isn’t true. This is what I’m talking about. Once I realized I wasn’t talking about the same thing I went and looked and it was covered by many sources.
 

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See this just isn’t true. This is what I’m talking about. Once I realized I wasn’t talking about the same thing I went and looked and it was covered by many sources.

When some happens negative about Antifa, or protest in general, it's rarely, and I mean rarely, front page news on MSNBC, CNN, WAPO, etc..

Just like you didn't see free speech protests vs Twitter and the violence from Antifa yesterday. Or the statue topplings earlier this week of Lincoln, Roosevelt (or even the church statues).

I watch CNN, MSNBC, and Fox in equal doses to ensure I hear/see all narratives going on. You hardly ever see anything negative about the "mostly peaceful protests". Just like you see zero about Hunter (but they'd report on a fart from Trump).
 

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The fact that you think that is different from a coordinated preplanjed operation to kidnap, try and execute a governor is different is totally no biased.

The right is always lone nut jobs and the left is always a large group of leftist criminals lol. Never changes.

Keep chuckling. 8 psychos (whose plot was thwarted, thankfully) is NOT comparable to thousands of people rioting, looting, beating people up, and burning down cities. It's. Just. Not.

If you don't "keep up" with the news or actions of the communist Antifa/ BLM thugs, I'll book you a ticket to Portland or Seattle anytime you'd like for a front row seat. Try the first week of November. Should be prime time.
 

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Landed flat? You mean not reported on any of the channels you watch....

And now protests hitting Twitter in SF because of it.

And Cack, I love you, but you were one of the biggest tin foil guys on here a few years ago, which all turned out to be LOL stuff. Hunter hasn't denied the laptop, neither has the FBI. One of the folks CC'd on the China email about 10% going to the "big guy" confirmed it. Just a calendar denial lol.

At least be honest that MSM is doing it's best to diminish coverage of stuff you would have embraced and sang to all had it been about Trump instead of Biden.

It plays to Trump's base, that's it. Which is good for Trump, it distracts from his failures and gaffes and it is likely to juice turnout for him. You can see that on this board as clearly as anywhere else... people sheepishly owning how disgraceful Trump's debate performance was and getting quiet after he held a super spreader event at the White House are now out thumping their chests again. Because of unverified information that Giuliani says there was a '50/50' chance came from a Russian spy. After the US intelligence committee warned this is exactly what Russia was planning to do with disninformation... mix legitimate information with the illegitimate because people won't know what to think.
 

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It plays to Trump's base, that's it. Which is good for Trump, it distracts from his failures and gaffes and it is likely to juice turnout for him. You can see that on this board as clearly as anywhere else... people sheepishly owning how disgraceful Trump's debate performance was and getting quiet after he held a super spreader event at the White House are now out thumping their chests again. Because of unverified information that Giuliani says there was a '50/50' chance came from a Russian spy. After the US intelligence committee warned this is exactly what Russia was planning to do with disninformation... mix legitimate information with the illegitimate because people won't know what to think.

The evidence on Hunter is far from disinformation and the idea that it is from Russia is funny to me. The left has lied so many times (cried wolf) on Russia that even if it were somehow from Russia, I wouldn't care. It's damning on Joe's lack of ethics, but I am sure few will care.

The bigger issue is the media and big-tech coverup and what has become the Liberal Ministry of Truth created by radical liberals.
 

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Btw, on the content of the original NYP article:
The New York Post’s front-page article about Hunter Biden on Wednesday was written mostly by a staff reporter who refused to put his name on it, two Post employees said.

Bruce Golding, a reporter at the Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid since 2007, did not allow his byline to be used because he had concerns over the article’s credibility, the two Post employees said. The Post based the story on photos and documents the paper said it had taken from the hard drive of a laptop purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden.

Many Post staff members questioned whether the paper had done enough to verify the authenticity of the hard drive’s contents, said five people with knowledge of the tabloid’s inner workings. The article named two sources: Stephen K. Bannon, the former adviser to President Trump now facing federal fraud charges, who was said to have made the paper aware of the hard drive last month; and Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, who was said to have given the paper “a copy” of the hard drive on Oct. 11.

Mr. Giuliani said he chose The Post because “either nobody else would take it, or if they took it, they would spend all the time they could to try to contradict it before they put it out.” The article also suggested that the elder Mr. Biden had met with a Burisma adviser, Vadym Pozharskyi. On Wednesday, a Biden campaign spokesman said that Mr. Biden’s official schedules showed no meeting between the former vice president and the adviser. Last month, two Republican-led Senate committees investigating the matter said they had found no evidence of wrongdoing by the former vice president.
So when Cack says it "fell flat" it means that for anyone trying to objectively score this at home the claim of the alleged meeting was refuted by all parties involved; it seems almost impossible to have occurred checking engagements for all parties on that date; and no one has provided any evidence or corroboration of it occurring. Much less any actual malfeasance, policy changes, etc. as the result of a meeting that is likely made up.

We're now heading into phase three, where they want us to take it at face value that there's child porn belonging to Hunter Biden on this hard drive they refuse to turn over for anyone to independently vet. And that's after major holes being blown in phase one and phase two. The former we've already covered, and for the latter it's a joke we're even talking about it. There's one speculative email written by a party that isn't even Hunter Biden (much less Joe Biden). And the paper trail shows nothing like what is suggested in the email happened. Biden does not have any financial ties to China, period. That's all in his tax documents and other financial disclosures... ironically, the same disclosures Trump refuses to make but Trumpers are totally OK with that.

Hunter is his own person with his own flaws who does shady stuff. It's really strange that the go to move is to try to get people to equate Hunter === Joe. Investigation after investigation has shown no wrongdoing by Joe Biden. Even these "bombshell" emails don't show any wrongdoing by Joe Biden, they show Hunter Biden wheeling and dealing on his name. Wake me up when there is a shred of actual evidence of Joe Biden doing something illegal much less unethical.

Meanwhile:
-Ivanka was dealing with the Chinese Communist Party for dozens of trademarks while actively engaged in trade negotiations on behalf of the US Government.
-Donald Trump is alleged to have paid his children as consultants despite to illegally skirt taxes. We could easily confirm if this is true, but he's the only President since Nixon to not release his tax returns.
-Donald Trump and his administration have committed numerous brazen Hatch Act violations.
-Donald Trump surrounds himself with criminals working on his behalf. These criminals have done much worse than anything Hunter Biden is even alleged to have done. Donald Trump's administration has more indictments than any on record, and all of his previous campaign chairmen are now convicted felons or indicted.

That's just a taste of the crime and corruption in Donald Trump's administration. But please, tell me more why I should care about Hunter Biden when he won't be involved in the Biden-Harris administration and when we've yet to prove any wrongdoing by Joe Biden that rises to even 1% of what was listed above.
 

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Remember the 1000th time you heard someone say Benghazi and you're brain automatically shutdown on the other person?

That's what you've done.

So your response to Rudy Giuliani himself saying the dude he worked with to get the information is probably a Russian spy... is to shut your brain down. Good talk.
 

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So your response to Rudy Giuliani himself saying the dude he worked with to get the information is probably a Russian spy... is to shut your brain down. Good talk.

The guy that was 50/50 a Russian spy had what to do with the laptop?

Are you saying there is no laptop?

Are you saying the FBI never had laptop?

Are you saying the email about China (where a source confirmed was CC'd) is a fake?
 

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The guy that was 50/50 a Russian spy had what to do with the laptop?

Are you saying there is no laptop?

Are you saying the FBI never had laptop?

Are you saying the email about China (where a source confirmed was CC'd) is a fake?

Are [you] saying that the images aren't real?

Are [you] saying the emails aren't real?

Are [you] saying the Biden camp has denied any of this? Other than calling it a smear, which it kind of is.
 

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Are [you] saying that the images aren't real?

Are [you] saying the emails aren't real?

Are [you] saying the Biden camp has denied any of this? Other than calling it a smear, which it kind of is.

All this spinning is kind of funny. The CNNs and WAPOs of the world wouldn't run anything about it. They waited a couple days to run stories attacking the credibility of it, when they can't even get close to attacking the basics. Stelter, and all the other shills just spin the yarn about Rudy this, Bannon that, Russian this, etc.. None have said the laptop is a fake. None have denied the FBI had the laptop. None can prove anything on the laptop is fake. It may well be fake, but it might be real too. None can prove anything. Their all just trying to distract from some of the basics. Still waiting for a reply from the FBI...
 

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There’s only one thing I distrust more than MSM. And that’s the POS Rudy Giuliani.
 

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So your response to Rudy Giuliani himself saying the dude he worked with to get the information is probably a Russian spy... is to shut your brain down. Good talk.

I was reliably informed for years that information sourced from a foreign spy was legit and the burden of refuting it belonged to the President of the United States.

In all seriousness, idk if it was some foreign hack or what it was but its fun to watch Biden fans get mad about it.
 

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I was reliably informed for years that information sourced from a foreign spy was legit and the burden of refuting it belonged to the President of the United States..

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I was reliably informed for years that information sourced from a foreign spy was legit and the burden of refuting it belonged to the President of the United States.

In all seriousness, idk if it was some foreign hack or what it was but its fun to watch Biden fans get mad about it.

Honestly, at this point, I trust the Russians more than the Democrats. So...
 

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The guy that was 50/50 a Russian spy had what to do with the laptop?

Are you saying there is no laptop?

Are you saying the FBI never had laptop?

Are you saying the email about China (where a source confirmed was CC'd) is a fake?

I shouldn’t even have to answer these questions, you can Google them.

Right now we literally don’t know what is legitimate and what is not because they’re refusing to turn it over to anyone for review. Some emails are likely legitimate, others likely aren’t. This is what US intelligence said would happen months ago to the letter.

The China email is hilarious because despite an “source who was on the chain” confirming they’re authentic it actually doesn’t show anything. You have a speculative email from a third party saying there was a reference to Joe Biden. So what? Joe Biden has no Chinese investments and was never a party to any of the emails. That’s like saying if my brother is emailing with some people I don’t know about something they might do but doesn’t actually happen that I’m somehow culpable for it. It’s just beyond laughable that the same people who scream at the top of their lungs that Trump isn’t responsible for anything as his associates and campaign managers *actually go to jail* want to pretend Joe Biden is THE DEVIL for things that didn’t happen or weren’t crimes.
 

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I shouldn’t even have to answer these questions, you can Google them.

Right now we literally don’t know what is legitimate and what is not because they’re refusing to turn it over to anyone for review. Some emails are likely legitimate, others likely aren’t. This is what US intelligence said would happen months ago to the letter.

The China email is hilarious because despite an “source who was on the chain” confirming they’re authentic it actually doesn’t show anything. You have a speculative email from a third party saying there was a reference to Joe Biden. So what? Joe Biden has no Chinese investments and was never a party to any of the emails. That’s like saying if my brother is emailing with some people I don’t know about something they might do but doesn’t actually happen that I’m somehow culpable for it. It’s just beyond laughable that the same people who scream at the top of their lungs that Trump isn’t responsible for anything as his associates and campaign managers *actually go to jail* want to pretend Joe Biden is THE DEVIL for things that didn’t happen or weren’t crimes.

Couldn't a not entirely tinfoil hat person say "how do we know he doesn't have Chinese money or investments? Isn't half the point of taking bribes to avoid it being detected?"

Joe Biden sucks either way lol.
 

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I shouldn’t even have to answer these questions, you can Google them.

Yet they are basic shit the MSM won't even address.

Right now we literally don’t know what is legitimate and what is not because they’re refusing to turn it over to anyone for review. Some emails are likely legitimate, others likely aren’t. This is what US intelligence said would happen months ago to the letter.

The FBI obviously has the laptop so it's already available for the highest level of scrutiny that exists. Why would the NYP post give up their copy knowing the FBI has sat on it. At minimum, the laptop should have been mentioned by the FBI to the Senate, but it wasn't. I wouldn't let anyone near the copy.

The China email is hilarious because despite an “source who was on the chain” confirming they’re authentic it actually doesn’t show anything. You have a speculative email from a third party saying there was a reference to Joe Biden. So what? Joe Biden has no Chinese investments and was never a party to any of the emails. That’s like saying if my brother is emailing with some people I don’t know about something they might do but doesn’t actually happen that I’m somehow culpable for it. It’s just beyond laughable that the same people who scream at the top of their lungs that Trump isn’t responsible for anything as his associates and campaign managers *actually go to jail* want to pretend Joe Biden is THE DEVIL for things that didn’t happen or weren’t crimes.

Holy batballs Lax, how many times have we heard "sources" from the left and MSM. You're going to point at what Russia might do as proof these aren't reliable?

FFS, the FBI looks to have the laptop or would have already said they don't. Why isn't MSM pointing their spears at the FBI to provide findings? They could easily say they have it or don't have it. They could easily say the emails are real or bullshit. The MSM doesn't want to, because they want to point at grey cloudy shit simply to cast doubt.

IF the China emails are real, doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the meaning. You say as if fact that Joe has no interest. The email clearly reads as an attempt to hide interest. Not saying the email is real. But IF the FBI has it, they can certainly verify.

All this "sketchy" talk is hilarious. The most sketchy thing about this is why haven't the FBI said anything? I'm beginning to think either the FBI purposely didn't disclose, or outright destroyed it like they did some of the Clinton stuff.
 
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