2019 - State of the Recruiting Class thread

[beryirish]

Matt Freeman says there's 100% chance they take a 2019 QB still.

Need one, yes (for depth), get one...

 

[NDMIA]

Matt Freeman says there's 100% chance they take a 2019 QB still.

Rees is gonna be headed around the country to check out a bunch of guys this month for the 2019 class. Should see more clarity. Their offered board is pretty much done as 6 out of the 7 are committed elsewhere and Gunnell isn't looking at ND anymore. I'd love to see ND throw its hat in the ring with...

Dylan Morris - probably already called him back after McNamara decommitted and there's nothing there anymore.

Hank Bachmeier & Graham Mertz

 

[NDIrish88]

Connor bezelak. Bridge the gap tween Phil and drew.

 

[Luckylucci]

Both Sinclair and the BGI staff have made very positive/confident comments about ND and Kyle Hamilton today. Coming off a Michigan visit with UGA this weekend, they must be hearing something or they’re crazy.

 

[NDIrish88]

We should start to see commits roll in toward end of the month i assume. Carroll olmstead Ajavon should be soon.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Honestly with Phil locked up and Pyrne coming in 2020 I'm completely fine with not taking a QB in 2019 don't waste a scholarship just to have a body best case scenario is that we offer a walk on spot to someone. Or take 2 in 2020

 

[Luckylucci]

We should start to see commits roll in toward end of the month i assume. Carroll olmstead Ajavon should be soon.

Olmstead is Friday. And I think Avajon could come at any time. Carroll will have 3 OV’s done after this weekend and he’s clearly trying to wrap them up in a hurry. It’ll be interesting to see if he takes all 5. Speculation is, if he does, they’ll be to OSU and Wiscy.

 

[beryirish]

Honestly with Phil locked up and Pyrne coming in 2020 I'm completely fine with not taking a QB in 2019 don't waste a scholarship just to have a body best case scenario is that we offer a walk on spot to someone. Or take 2 in 2020

It wouldn't be a waste to take 1 QB every single cycle as we've seen in the past how things can quickly go to a stocked cupboard to bare.

Wimbush will most likely have two more years at ND. He'll build this year and skyrocket the following year - fingers crossed. That's two years of Book being the backup. I'm sure transferring could be rumbling in his mind when he has proven to others and himself that he is a legit starter at a premiere program. Avery Davis may not even be a QB when all is said and done. Then you have Phil coming in as a freshman. For the 2018 season, this is ideal. Two legit starters - one guy who could come in if shit hits the fan and one guy holding a clipboard and learning.

Fast forward one season - Wimbush is starting, Book is sitting out a year at Oklahoma State, Davis hasn't been practicing at QB, Phil is the legit backup as true sophomore, and there's no one behind him. Fast forward one more season - Phil is the QB at a junior and you have Pyne as the backup as a true freshman. No idea if he is the next Fromm or not. Not ideal.

I say you take a scholarship QB each year. I thought Book was just a filler QB but it turns out he can ball when called upon. You need that to hold your season together from the QB position.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Honestly with Phil locked up and Pyrne coming in 2020 I'm completely fine with not taking a QB in 2019 don't waste a scholarship just to have a body best case scenario is that we offer a walk on spot to someone. Or take 2 in 2020

THis is a very bad idea with Avery moving to WR/RB wildcat. You should have 4 QBs on scholarship every season. We have no idea what will happen with our other QBs after this year. We need someone coming in, even if they are a low floor/high ceiling kind of player.

It sucks because I was very high on Cade, I think his skillset will translate very well to the college game. Time will tell but now I have no choice but to root for his abject failure.

 

[Luckylucci]

Honestly with Phil locked up and Pyrne coming in 2020 I'm completely fine with not taking a QB in 2019 don't waste a scholarship just to have a body best case scenario is that we offer a walk on spot to someone. Or take 2 in 2020

I know Prister and Sampson have been pushing that hard since Pyne’s commitment yesterday but I think that is a terrible idea. I agree with the idea of not investing too many scholarships in QB’s when only one plays. However, this depth chart could look totally different in a hurry. Could have new transfer rules on the horizon. Scenarios where either of Wimbush or Book transfer. Scenarios where both could next year. Pyne won’t be on campus until 2021 season.

Either they heard something or are running with a silly idea. Hopefully it’s the latter.

 

[IrishLion]

Connor bezelak. Bridge the gap tween Phil and drew.

It wouldn't be a waste to take 1 QB every single cycle as we've seen in the past how things can quickly go to a stocked cupboard to bare.

Wimbush will most likely have two more years at ND. He'll build this year and skyrocket the following year - fingers crossed. That's two years of Book being the backup. I'm sure transferring could be rumbling in his mind when he has proven to others and himself that he is a legit starter at a premiere program. Avery Davis may not even be a QB when all is said and done. Then you have Phil coming in as a freshman. For the 2018 season, this is ideal. Two legit starters - one guy who could come in if shit hits the fan and one guy holding a clipboard and learning.

Fast forward one season - Wimbush is starting, Book is sitting out a year at Oklahoma State, Davis hasn't been practicing at QB, Phil is the legit backup as true sophomore, and there's no one behind him. Fast forward one more season - Phil is the QB at a junior and you have Pyne as the backup as a true freshman. No idea if he is the next Fromm or not. Not ideal.

I say you take a scholarship QB each year. I thought Book was just a filler QB but it turns out he can ball when called upon. You need that to hold your season together from the QB position.

I'm with you on taking one every year, but whoever they dial in on for '19 now, it should probably be a guy like Avery Davis that gives you positional flexibility. Asking a premier, QB-only prospect to willingly sandwich themselves between Jurkovec and Pyne will be tough. Unless they luck into another perfect prospect situation like they did with Book, that is.

 

[BobbyMac]

They are going to take a QB. They MUST take a QB in the Grad Transfer world of college football, especially when they are transitioning one of their current QB's to another position.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm with you on taking one every year, but whoever they dial in on for '19 now, it should probably be a guy like Avery Davis that gives you positional flexibility. Asking a premier, QB-only prospect to willingly sandwich themselves between Jurkovec and Pyne will be tough. Unless they luck into another perfect prospect situation like they did with Book, that is.

Pretty sure that is why they are taking the long game approach here. ISD had something posted the other day that essentially said staff is very interested in fit here. Sounds like they really want a program guy that will stick around for awhile.

 

[dublinirish]

Pretty sure that is why they are taking the long game approach here. ISD had something posted the other day that essentially said staff is very interested in fit here. Sounds like they really want a program guy that will stick around for awhile.

they basically want another Ian Book/Tommy Rees "glue guy"

 

[BobbyMac]

I'm with you on taking one every year, but whoever they dial in on for '19 now, it should probably be a guy like Avery Davis that gives you positional flexibility. Asking a premier, QB-only prospect to willingly sandwich themselves between Jurkovec and Pyne will be tough. Unless they luck into another perfect prospect situation like they did with Book, that is.

Coming in after Phil is tough but actually knowing who is coming behind you is a plus. Jack Sears didn't have the luxury of knowing JT Daniels was reclassifying and coming in right behind him when Darnold left. Hunter Johnson didn't know Trevor Lawrence was coming in behind him. ND's situation is more of a selling point than a problem.

 

[IrishLion]

Coming in after Phil is tough but actually knowing who is coming behind you is a plus. Jack Sears didn't have the luxury of knowing JT Daniels was reclassifying and coming in right behind him when Darnold left. Hunter Johnson didn't know Trevor Lawrence was coming in behind him. ND's situation is more of a selling point than a problem.

That's kind of my point though. Do you think those guys stick with those teams if they know the top-dogs are coming in immediately behind them? Guys say they aren't afraid of the depth chart or competition, but that doesn't mean they still won't try to find a spot where the road looks less bumpy.

I guess I'd see it as a selling point for the right prospect... but IMO that's not gonna be a guy of Sears' or Johnson's caliber. I think having Pyne on deck already will be a deterrent to highly-rated guys that they might try to get involved with now that the board needs to reset.

 

[BobbyMac]

Pretty sure that is why they are taking the long game approach here. ISD had something posted the other day that essentially said staff is very interested in fit here. Sounds like they really want a program guy that will stick around for awhile.

IF this true, just offer Bazelak and Cruz and be done with it.

But shame on them if they don't go after Hank Bachmeier. In the GT era, you never know what's gonna happen.

 

[BobbyMac]

That's kind of my point though. Do you think those guys stick with those teams if they know the top-dogs are coming in immediately behind them? Guys say they aren't afraid of the depth chart or competition, but that doesn't mean they still won't try to find a spot where the road looks less bumpy.

I guess I'd see it as a selling point for the right prospect... but IMO that's not gonna be a guy of Sears' or Johnson's caliber. I think having Pyne on deck already will be a deterrent to highly-rated guys that they might try to get involved with now that the board needs to reset.

Drew Pyne is not scaring Hank Bachmeier away from ND like a Harrison Bailey or DJ Uiagelelei would have.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Is the Davis move Permanent or just trying to get him on the field? Just wondering if he will ever take a snap at QB or moving to WR/RB for long term

 

[connor_in]

Is the Davis move Permanent or just trying to get him on the field? Just wondering if he will ever take a snap at QB or moving to WR/RB for long term

Per the public reports, no inside news from anywhere, he is still taking snaps as QB and performing decently. But from what I have read/heard, he is showing well at both RB and WR and the guess is yes, trying to get him on the field.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Is the Davis move Permanent or just trying to get him on the field? Just wondering if he will ever take a snap at QB or moving to WR/RB for long term

It's long term if we don't lose any QBs to injury/transfer. #speculation

 

[stlnd01]

Take a QB in every class. Why is this even a question?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

they basically want another Ian Book/Tommy Rees "glue guy"

Tom Rees looking for a Tommy Rees?

 

[stlnd01]

Tom Rees looking for a Tommy Rees?

Wait I thought he already had one in Ian Book.

 

[NDIrish88]

Crusader is right. There are a few solid options still available

 

[NDdomer2]

https://www.onefootdown.com/platform/amp/2018/4/17/17245638/notre-dame-football-recruiting-irish-miss-out-on-yet-another-top-target-chezz-mellusi-clemson-tigers

Lol

 

[BobbyMac]

https://www.onefootdown.com/platform/amp/2018/4/17/17245638/notre-dame-football-recruiting-irish-miss-out-on-yet-another-top-target-chezz-mellusi-clemson-tigers

Lol

Is he a poster here? Sounds like a few hundred I've come across.

...and fyi, Washington made it to the playoffs in '16 with Gaskin and Coleman rushing for @ 2000 yds and both of them were 3 stars.

 

[arrowryan]

Is he a poster here? Sounds like a few hundred I've come across.

...and fyi, Washington made it to the playoffs in '16 with Gaskin and Coleman rushing for @ 2000 yds and both of them were 3 stars.

Similar to the NFL where a team doesn't need to use a high draft pick to get a good, productive running back, a college football team does not to land a high 4 or 5 running back to have a good rushing attack.

Look at a lot of the more productive backs from the 2017 season: Barkley, Adams, Penny, Jonathon Taylor, Gaskin. None of them were really highly sought ofter recruits. Yes, 247 had Barkley rated high, but he didn't have shit for offers besides Penn State and ND.

 

[stlnd01]

https://www.onefootdown.com/platform/amp/2018/4/17/17245638/notre-dame-football-recruiting-irish-miss-out-on-yet-another-top-target-chezz-mellusi-clemson-tigers

Lol

That was rather breathless and hyperbolic. When did OFD start giving ND Nation types the keys to the blog?

 

[NDdomer2]

Is he a poster here? Sounds like a few hundred I've come across.

...and fyi, Washington made it to the playoffs in '16 with Gaskin and Coleman rushing for @ 2000 yds and both of them were 3 stars.

No idea if he is a poster but i would not be surprised. Thought it perfectly captured some of the attitude around here.