2019 Spring Practice Thread

[Luckylucci]

Tim Omalley reported that Book wanted to put his name in to get feed back on where his game needed to develop, not that he wanted to go pro.

He also followed that up with the post that the feedback they are getting is that if everything goes according to plan, he will not be ND's QB in 2020. That seemed pretty clear to me.

 

[NDdomer2]

Well, that’s not very true. They do chart the throws so they might be off by 1 or 2 but I doubt they are making up or wrong about 4-5 drops.

sorry for any confusion, but im not saying any reported drops were untrue.

I'm saying how do we as the reader on IE know how many drops really occur, if we just read he went 4/8. Maybe the links to the practice report have all the drops in each specific throwing sessions, but I'm not a subscriber and do not have the ability to see such information.

I was more pointing out as someone who would just come to IE, see a kid went 4/8, that reader doesnt have any idea how many of those incompletions are related to drops and would be incorrectly jumping to conclusions about his accuracy.

 

[Irish YJ]

He also followed that up with the post that the feedback they are getting is that if everything goes according to plan, he will not be ND's QB in 2020. That seemed pretty clear to me.

Wonder what the "according to plan" is. I can see him going if he improves a lot on the long ball. If not, can't see him grading out high. Will be interesting.

 

[stlnd01]

He also followed that up with the post that the feedback they are getting is that if everything goes according to plan, he will not be ND's QB in 2020. That seemed pretty clear to me.

If the last decade is any guide, the odds of “everything going according to plan” for a Notre Dame QB are well below 50 percent.
Hoping Book is the exception, of course, because it’ll mean a good season for our offense and hopefully a smooth transition to a capable Phil. But there are like 20 ways things could go sideways over the next 12 months.

 

[Luckylucci]

sorry for any confusion, but im not saying any reported drops were untrue.

I'm saying how do we as the reader on IE know how many drops really occur, if we just read he went 4/8. Maybe the links to the practice report have all the drops in each specific throwing sessions, but I'm not a subscriber and do not have the ability to see such information.
I was more pointing out as someone who would just come to IE, see a kid went 4/8, that reader doesnt have any idea how many of those incompletions are related to drops and would be incorrectly jumping to conclusions about his accuracy.

Got it, no worries. ISD charts all the throws in 1on1, 7on7, and 11on11 and in this case the drops have a fairly significant impact on the outcome as 4 or 5 of 25-30 reps is a lot. I had posted that previously and it could have been missed, all good.

 

[Luckylucci]

If the last decade is any guide, the odds of “everything going according to plan” for a Notre Dame QB are well below 50 percent.
Hoping Book is the exception, of course, because it’ll mean a good season for our offense and hopefully a smooth transition to a capable Phil. But there are like 20 ways things could go sideways over the next 12 months.

I realize that folks remain skeptical on the direction of the program (rightfully so) but 22 wins in 2 seasons is pretty darn good and I think there is every reason to believe things are going, "according to plan", right now. Deshone Kizer has a substantially different season in 16' if BVG isn't our DC. We have stability on both sides of the ball.

 

[Luckylucci]

Wonder what the "according to plan" is. I can see him going if he improves a lot on the long ball. If not, can't see him grading out high. Will be interesting.

I don't know, 6,000 yards, 40+ TD's, and 20+ wins in 2 seasons is going to get him some looks. Maybe not 1st or 2nd rd, but I can easily see him being drafted as a 3rd-5th rd QB if he plays a full, slightly better, season than he did last. Heck, if we go 11-1 and he throws for 3500 and 30 TD's, he's probably a Heisman candidate. Last years pace for a full 13 would have him at 3416 and almost 25 Tds.

 

[Irish YJ]

I don't know, 6,000 yards, 40+ TD's, and 20+ wins in 2 seasons is going to get him some looks. Maybe not 1st or 2nd rd, but I can easily see him being drafted as a 3rd-5th rd QB if he plays a full, slightly better, season than he did last. Heck, if we go 11-1 and he throws for 3500 and 30 TD's, he's probably a Heisman candidate. Last years pace for a full 13 would have him at 3416 and almost 25 Tds.

I could easily see him getting Heisman interest. Just don't see him getting a lot of NFL interest unless he puts a decent long ball tool in his tool bag.

Even a guy like Minshew who had almost 5000 yards and 38ish TDs last year alone is graded at like 250th best player in the draft.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Personally I think it would be prudent to await the Blue Gray game before jumping to any conclusions how PJ is progressing.

So it's too early now but in two weeks, we can jump to conclusions on PJurk's future? I'll do my best, like every year, to take nothing away from the BG game.

 

[Bluto]

Rees Career passing 7351 yards

Montana Career passing 4121 yards

Welp. That settles it. Unless Jerkovic gets his act together he’s at best the third best backup to ever don the blue and gold.

 

[stlnd01]

I realize that folks remain skeptical on the direction of the program (rightfully so) but 22 wins in 2 seasons is pretty darn good and I think there is every reason to believe things are going, "according to plan", right now. Deshone Kizer has a substantially different season in 16' if BVG isn't our DC. We have stability on both sides of the ball.

Program-wide I completely agree things are in a pretty good place. And I think Book is a solid QB capable of winning a lot of games.
I was just (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) observing that we’ve had more than our share of quarterback instability the last decade or so, for reasons ranging from academic troubles to broken ankles to inexplicable struggles with accuracy. Certainly hoping Ian-to-Phil is a smooth and successful next few years. I’m just not quite ready to count those chickens yet.

 

[snoopdog]

So it's too early now but in two weeks, we can jump to conclusions on PJurk's future? I'll do my best, like every year, to take nothing away from the BG game.

Well at least you will be able to see him play. Right now everyone is basing their posts on a bunch of conflicting views

 

[ND88]

For those who watched the BG game last year, what revelations proved true throughout the season? I didn’t watch it, and am curious. I think we will get a better picture of what we have in Phil when he comes in for garbage time this season. Solely based on opinion, the spot is Book’s to lose, and I am confident that he will improve this, his final season. Phil should be well-prepared to call ‘20 his team, and I don’t think this is a bad thing, nor a limitation on what he will ultimately accomplish at ND. If it so happens that Phil puts together some incredible camps and wins the spot for ‘19, then we have much to be excited about, because that will be a serious feat. We should expect the possibility, but not perceive it as purely negative if he needs a little more time to adjust to the role.

 

[T-Boone]

For those who watched the BG game last year, what revelations proved true throughout the season? I didn’t watch it, and am curious. I think we will get a better picture of what we have in Phil when he comes in for garbage time this season. Solely based on opinion, the spot is Book’s to lose, and I am confident that he will improve this, his final season. Phil should be well-prepared to call ‘20 his team, and I don’t think this is a bad thing, nor a limitation on what he will ultimately accomplish at ND. If it so happens that Phil puts together some incredible camps and wins the spot for ‘19, then we have much to be excited about, because that will be a serious feat. We should expect the possibility, but not perceive it as purely negative if he needs a little more time to adjust to the role.

I think from memory some DBs got interceptions (maybe even the safeties got a few) and until then the fan base was probably sceptical that good safety play interceptiopns were going to be a thing so that was probably a good glimps of what was to come.
Also the last two Blue Gold games Book looked impressive and maybe even better than Wimbush which eventuated in regular season.

 

[ND88]

I think from memory some DBs got interceptions (maybe even the safeties got a few) and until then the fan base was probably sceptical that good safety play interceptiopns were going to be a thing so that was probably a good glimps of what was to come.
Also the last two Blue Gold games Book looked impressive and maybe even better than Wimbush which eventuated in regular season.

Ah, okay. I remember that said about Book, but not the safety play. Thank you.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think one of mine was Jafar at RB. It looked pretty natural for him.

 

[Irish#1]

Program-wide I completely agree things are in a pretty good place. And I think Book is a solid QB capable of winning a lot of games.
I was just (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) observing that we’ve had more than our share of quarterback instability the last decade or so, for reasons ranging from academic troubles to broken ankles to inexplicable struggles with accuracy. Certainly hoping Ian-to-Phil is a smooth and successful next few years. I’m just not quite ready to count those chickens yet.

We do seem to bit a little snake bitten when it comes to QB's.

For those who watched the BG game last year, what revelations proved true throughout the season? I didn’t watch it, and am curious. I think we will get a better picture of what we have in Phil when he comes in for garbage time this season. Solely based on opinion, the spot is Book’s to lose, and I am confident that he will improve this, his final season. Phil should be well-prepared to call ‘20 his team, and I don’t think this is a bad thing, nor a limitation on what he will ultimately accomplish at ND. If it so happens that Phil puts together some incredible camps and wins the spot for ‘19, then we have much to be excited about, because that will be a serious feat. We should expect the possibility, but not perceive it as purely negative if he needs a little more time to adjust to the role.

I think he'll improve as well. He has the mental makeup to take the next step. He was unsure against Clemson, but Book has the makeup to use that as a learning experience instead of worrying about it happening again.

 

[BabyIrish]

We do seem to bit a little snake bitten when it comes to QB's.



I think he'll improve as well. He has the mental makeup to take the next step. He was unsure against Clemson, but Book has the makeup to use that as a learning experience instead of worrying about it happening again.

Eric Hanson put it best over all the Phil angst when he said:
The fan base saw Book get exposed against Clemson and think he can’t do anything about it to not let it happen again.
The coaching staff saw Book get exposed and think he ABSOLUTELY CAN do something about it to not let it happen again.

 

[Old Man Mike]

The POWERFUL impression that I had from last year's spring game was that Book, operating with a VERY makeshift second team OLine, was in full command and saw the field, and made rapid right-on decisions. After that I began speculating that we'd go 11-1 if Coach did the unthinkable and start Book all season --- apparently I underestimated and all was even better, even with the early struggles with Brandon.

My second impression with the BG game was that it was a war in the trenches for the first teamers. This made me feel very good --- not a glass half-empty. First team defense looked generally superb. Banks, I believe, looked very good at, I think, right guard? on the second team.

Armstrong looked good, but so did Avery in his few reps. I thought, apparently erroneously, that he'd find some real opportunities on O that year.

....that's the sum of what the memory bank holds ... can't recall anything about the first team WRs or TEs.

 

[Irish YJ]

Eric Hanson put it best over all the Phil angst when he said:
The fan base saw Book get exposed against Clemson and think he can’t do anything about it to not let it happen again.
The coaching staff saw Book get exposed and think he ABSOLUTELY CAN do something about it to not let it happen again.

I think Book will absolutely improve in that department. My primary concern is him improving in the long ball department. If he does, our team could take a huge step forward now that we have more speed at WR.

 

[BabyIrish]

I think Book will absolutely improve in that department. My primary concern is him improving in the long ball department. If he does, our team could take a huge step forward now that we have more speed at WR.

Agreed, the WR are getting some of the best reviews of the spring and I have faith Book can figure it out

 

[Irish YJ]

Agreed, the WR are getting some of the best reviews of the spring and I have faith Book can figure it out

I loved what BK said about Lenzy. Talked about his toughness. That's great to hear about one of your slight-build-speed guys. Hopefully Austin doesn't take up permanent residence in BK's doghouse. He's a special guy who could do a lot for the team.

IMO, Book doesn't have to perfect long, and throw dimes now. If the speedy guys get the separation we think they will, he just needs to learn how to toss it up and trust his WRs to run under it. I could be wrong, but thought most of long balls were going to long. If that's truly the case, at least he can get it there, and not under throwing.

 

[BabyIrish]

I loved what BK said about Lenzy. Talked about his toughness. That's great to hear about one of your slight-build-speed guys. Hopefully Austin doesn't take up permanent residence in BK's doghouse. He's a special guy who could do a lot for the team.

IMO, Book doesn't have to perfect long, and throw dimes now. If the speedy guys get the separation we think they will, he just needs to learn how to toss it up and trust his WRs to run under it. I could be wrong, but thought most of long balls were going to long. If that's truly the case, at least he can get it there, and not under throwing.

Exactly, I don’t think his ineffectiveness in the long ball is because of lack of arm strength, he can get it far, just needs to figure out the ratio of strength and touch.

 

[Irish#1]

I think Book will absolutely improve in that department. My primary concern is him improving in the long ball department. If he does, our team could take a huge step forward now that we have more speed at WR.

Well the staff did say they were forcing him to throw more long balls in practice. I would assume that Balis probably worked at getting his arm stronger.

 

[Irish YJ]

Exactly, I don’t think his ineffectiveness in the long ball is because of lack of arm strength, he can get it far, just needs to figure out the ratio of strength and touch.

yup, more timing and touch.

thank god reesus is there to coach him up about the long ball

just kiddin'. i love Tommy, just not sure he's the guy to coach long game stuff.

 

[Luckylucci]

Exactly, I don’t think his ineffectiveness in the long ball is because of lack of arm strength, he can get it far, just needs to figure out the ratio of strength and touch.

It's all about timing and trust. He's waiting for it to be open versus throwing it open. We had two to Boykin in the Clemson game that were late reads. One underthrown and one underthrown (so not arm strength related), but both late.

Then take the toss to Boykin at the end of the Pitt game. It's basically the same play, same distance, with the same separation. The difference in result was when Book makes the throw.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Tommy COACHING any of this is fine --- he knows exactly how to do all of this. I doubt Phil Jackson could shoot the jump shot off the screen or Lombardi run the Green Bay sweep.

 

[IrishLion]

Yeah, Tommy always recognized exactly what he was supposed to be seeing in the defense.

His problem was a lack of arm strength, and the occasionally late throw.

That's where his interceptions usually came from, particularly in the red zone once the field started to shrink. Had he the arm strength of Kizer, he would have gone undefeated lol.

 

[Irish YJ]

Tommy COACHING any of this is fine --- he knows exactly how to do all of this. I doubt Phil Jackson could shoot the jump shot off the screen or Lombardi run the Green Bay sweep.

sure?

 

[irishnd31]

sure?

Please tell me he's not wearing jeans with a polo tucked in. What a hobo. Lost a lot of respect.