Nissan removes Navy QB Keenan Reynolds from voting

[Buster Bluth]

It's no more a moment award than it is a lifetime achievement award. Team record is also not a criterion.

If you think the proverbial Heisman moment and team success isn't important to the Heisman voters then I don't know what to tell you. Manziel's play against Alabama, Troy Smith's 60-yard bomb in 2006 just off the top of my head. Hell this board, when Te'o was in pursuit of the award, was praying for Heisman moments and pointed to a particular INT against Oklahoma as being one.

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Unlike Manziel and Newton, he doesn't have character issues.

Now there is something that just isn't much of an issue to the voters.

He also didn't wilt like a flower against a lot of his toughest competition.

He also plays in what is essentially the Conference USA.

 

[IrishLax]

Well of course hes consistent, he's the QB of a triple option team. The offense runs through him and they've had a great year. But at the same time, he's rushed for 1093 yards this year. For comparison Newton had 1473 in 2010 and Manziel had 1410 in 2012...to go along with their passing successes.

Navy has played one P5 team all season and they lost. Where is his Heisman moment? He didn't dominate Notre Dame, Memphis, or Houston. They went 1-2 against them too.

There's an argument to make if Navy is 13-0 and AAC champions. But Reynolds just doesn't deserve to be in the Heisman discussion anymore.

What has McCaffrey done that is more impressive? Have a bunch of stat-stuffing kick off returns?

You won't see me make a case for Reynolds OVER Henry, Watson, or even probably Mayfield.

But why does NISSAN have the right to remove someone from the public Heisman vote? This is the indefensible crux of the issue. We're talking about a 10-win, ranked Navy team that only lost to teams that are a combined 21-3. He's doing more with less than pretty much every other candidate.

 

[Grahambo]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eynolds-was-removed-from-heisman-voting-page/

It turns out there’s a simple explanation for why a direct link to vote for Reynolds no longer appears on the site.

According to an ESPN spokesperson, the players with individual links on the Heisman House voting page are populated from the list of players in ESPN’s Heisman Watch Experts’ Poll. Reynolds was seventh and receiving votes in last week’s Experts’ Poll, but he did not receive any votes after Navy lost to Houston. (Whether the names on the voting page should be determined by the experts’ poll is another matter.)

“When the names change on the ESPN Experts’ Poll, they automatically change on the Heisman House site. ESPN and Nissan have no control over what names are on the Heisman House ballot,” the ESPN spokesperson wrote in an e-mail.

Heisman House title sponsor Nissan will cast an official vote for the Heisman Trophy for the player who wins the fan vote. Reynolds continues to lead Henry. The third-leading vote-getter, Washington State quarterback Luke Falk, also does not have a direct link on the main page.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Voted

 

[ColinKSU]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eynolds-was-removed-from-heisman-voting-page/

Sounds like a fair explanation to me. Onward to the next outrage.

 

[phgreek]

Voting for him every day until its over...

BTW, the explanation makes sense...I never believed there was a conspiracy, however it is Nissan's image/PR, and I think it is absolutely stupid to allow the fan favorite to "fall off" due to the "sperts". This is as good for the brand as having Flutie call ND games.

 

[PLACforever]

F ESPN. I for one will celebrate the day that someone else comes along and provides a product to rival their seemingly monopolized sports coverage.

 

[ARALOU]

Though I think he exemplifies what the Heisman is all about, I don't think he is quite there. He has set some records and had an amazing year.

What surprises me somewhat is the fact that he is from middle Tennessee. Which is sort of a home base in the US for Nissan. Is Nissan a Heisman sponsor or something? WTF does Nissan have to do with the Heisman?

 

[ARALOU]

Never mind, I looked it up. I still think he is worthy of mention.

 

[Circa]

Um, why would they do that?

Do you own a Facebook page? Just Imagine the world owning 1 and calling It us..

 

[Irish#1]

Though I think he exemplifies what the Heisman is all about, I don't think he is quite there. He has set some records and had an amazing year.

What surprises me somewhat is the fact that he is from middle Tennessee. Which is sort of a home base in the US for Nissan. Is Nissan a Heisman sponsor or something? WTF does Nissan have to do with the Heisman?

Unfortunately the Heisman went the way of commercialism like so many other things have. Seems strange to have a Japanese sponsor of an award that is given in a sport created and played basically in the U.S. (Yeah, I'm aware they play FB in Canada).

 

[dublinirish]

he back, along with a bunch of other dudes so it doesn't make it look like Nissan caved to the masses lol


http://promo.espn.go.com/espn/contests/nissan/heisman/2015/#!/ballot

you also can't see who is leading anymore

 

[MNIrishman]

Did the experts add all those other guys too? Or was the explanation that they had no control total BS?

 

[phgreek]

he back, along with a bunch of other dudes so it doesn't make it look like Nissan caved to the masses lol


http://promo.espn.go.com/espn/contests/nissan/heisman/2015/#!/ballot

you also can't see who is leading anymore

Menu icon upper left, select leaderboard

 

[BGIF]

Reynolds is one of 11 candidates with a voting box.

He leads BIG!


Keenan Reynolds 65%
Derrick Henry 20%
Dalvin Cook 2%

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Reynolds is one of 11 candidates with a voting box.

He leads BIG!


Keenan Reynolds 65%
Derrick Henry 20%
Dalvin Cook 2%

How can you tell?

 

[GATTACA!]

Nissan would have been smarter to just mess with the votes. Removing Reynolds was the worst thing they could have done.

 

[BGIF]

How can you tell?

65% >> 20%

 

[IrishJayhawk]

65% >> 20%

Really?


I don't see percentages anywhere. Is there a place to click for them?

Edit: Never mind, I see the post above now.

 

[OhioIrishFan]

They only invited 3 guys to the Heisman ceremony and actually left out Ezekiel Elliott and Baker Mayfield along with Keenan Reynolds. Almost feels like their way of avoiding controversy was to not invite 4 or 5 guys but just the three, that way they can say 'see, we left him out, too.'

 

[MNIrishman]

They only invited 3 guys to the Heisman ceremony and actually left out Ezekiel Elliott and Baker Mayfield along with Keenan Reynolds. Almost feels like their way of avoiding controversy was to not invite 4 or 5 guys but just the three, that way they can say 'see, we left him out, too.'

This makes me sad. I really wanted to see him helicopter to NYC.

 

[ColinKSU]

Three is a low number, but at least they didn't invite Reynolds, who didn't deserve to be there for any other reason than "Yay, America!" and pretend he was a legitimate contender when he's not even the best QB in his own conference.

If you include Reynolds, you may as well include a nice kid from a G6 school every year, because darnit ... he's just a heck of a nice kid. Reynolds set his NCAA touchdown record by breaking a mark set by two nice players from nationally irrelevant programs, Georgia Southern and Towson and played a handful of legitimate teams each season. He wasn't in the SEC, Big Ten or Pac-12 -- there's a reason that mark wasn't held by a kid who has to play Notre Dame's schedule for four years.

He'll get to tour the award circuit and eat a bunch of good food, then he'll serve our country and go on to a successful life. Leave the Heisman to players who competed and excelled at the highest level.

 

[BobbyMac]

The Trophy is supposed to be awarded to the following:

The outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work.

The pursuit of excellence with integrity. Diligence and perseverance... so it makes sense to give it to an underclassman right? Yeah, Dalvin Cook should be on the ballot instead. All the Italics!

They need to change the qualifications to be considered to:

The player possessing the best stats with a promising commercial career in the NFL who also must play on a playoff qualifying, Power 5 conference team.

What I find so kawinky dinky is that today is the first I've read about Imperial Japan's #4 war goods manufacturer dropping the very deserving, Navy captain from their ballot... on Dec 7th.

Another reason I'd never own a GT-R.


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[MNIrishman]

Three is a low number, but at least they didn't invite Reynolds, who didn't deserve to be there for any other reason than "Yay, America!" and pretend he was a legitimate contender when he's not even the best QB in his own conference.

If you include Reynolds, you may as well include a nice kid from a G6 school every year, because darnit ... he's just a heck of a nice kid. Reynolds set his NCAA touchdown record by breaking a mark set by two nice players from nationally irrelevant programs, Georgia Southern and Towson and played a handful of legitimate teams each season. He wasn't in the SEC, Big Ten or Pac-12 -- there's a reason that mark wasn't held by a kid who has to play Notre Dame's schedule for four years.

He'll get to tour the award circuit and eat a bunch of good food, then he'll serve our country and go on to a successful life. Leave the Heisman to players who competed and excelled at the highest level.

The guy ran the most efficient option offense in the country, is about to drive his team to its fourth straight Commander-in-Chief's trophy, brought Navy to historic highs offensively, made them a competitor in their first year in a conference, and gave Notre Dame fits. Even in their loss against Houston, he personally accounted for more than 400 yards of offense. That loss was on the Navy defense; he never "gave up the ship" at any point. There's also the career rush TD record; that's worth mentioning. He's the high mark of character, an athletic role model you'd actually want your kids to look up to. Integrity is part of the Heisman mission statement. Maybe he shouldn't have won, but there are a LOT of good reasons he was a candidate besides "Yay USA."

Look back to what I said about about Henry. Guessing he's your man? He got a bunch of yards but was given 339 carries to get those yards and had an offensive line that will mostly be in the NFL in two or three years. Even so, he's 34th in YPC and had more games than Herschel Walker to break the total yards record.

Maybe the Reynolds detractors should be little more objective in evaluating his candidacy against his competitors.

 

[MNIrishman]

The Trophy is supposed to be awarded to the following:



The pursuit of excellence with integrity. Diligence and perseverance... so it makes sense to give it to an underclassman right? Yeah, Dalvin Cook should be on the ballot instead. All the Italics!

They need to change the qualifications to be considered to:

The player possessing the best stats with a promising commercial career in the NFL who also must play on a playoff qualifying, Power 5 conference team.

What I find so kawinky dinky is that today is the first I've read about Imperial Japan's #4 war goods manufacturer dropping the very deserving, Navy captain from their ballot... on Dec 7th.

Another reason I'd never own a GT-R.


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Haha didn't notice that. The "promising NFL career" criterion has been violated as well by recent picks. Manziel is and has always been too much of a loser/scumbag/piece of shit to ever hold down any high profile job, let alone franchise QB. The criteria really seem to be "OMG stats lol" combined with "single awesome play for the highlight reel" (AKA "Heisman moment.")

 

[BobbyMac]

Haha didn't notice that. The "promising NFL career" criterion has been violated as well by recent picks. Manziel is and has always been too much of a loser/scumbag/piece of shit to ever hold down any high profile job, let alone franchise QB. The criteria really seem to be "OMG stats lol" combined with "single awesome play for the highlight reel" (AKA "Heisman moment.")

Promising commercial NFL career. Manziel had the hype, he still has the hype... for good or bad, to this day, he's a media darling and he's still getting paid.

He's the anti-Tebow. Both made millions because of hype in a reality show / TMZ way. They aren't famous for their play as professionals, they are famous for being famous.

That's what I mean.

 

[DogDaysIrish]

The Trophy is supposed to be awarded to the following:



The pursuit of excellence with integrity. Diligence and perseverance... so it makes sense to give it to an underclassman right? Yeah, Dalvin Cook should be on the ballot instead. All the Italics!

They need to change the qualifications to be considered to:

The player possessing the best stats with a promising commercial career in the NFL who also must play on a playoff qualifying, Power 5 conference team.

What I find so kawinky dinky is that today is the first I've read about Imperial Japan's #4 war goods manufacturer dropping the very deserving, Navy captain from their ballot... on Dec 7th.

Another reason I'd never own a GT-R.


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Well, how in the holy hell did Jonathan Pigskin win it then? Integrity to that kid lies at the bottom of a bottle.

 

[phgreek]

65% >> 20%

The thing ended with Reynolds getting 38% over Henry at 34%...

Seems like the gap closed a bunch...TODAY, since I was in yesterday and it was still a drubbing...Tin Foil Hat please.

 

[OhioIrishFan]

Reynolds set his NCAA touchdown record by breaking a mark set by two nice players from nationally irrelevant programs, Georgia Southern and Towson and played a handful of legitimate teams each season. He wasn't in the SEC, Big Ten or Pac-12 -- there's a reason that mark wasn't held by a kid who has to play Notre Dame's schedule for four years.

Unless I'm missing something, he set his NCAA touchdown record by breaking a mark set by someone from Wisconsin, hardly a national irrelevant program. Ricky Williams, Ron Dayne, Cedric Benson, Eric Crouch, Tony Dorsett were among the names he passed this year on his way to the rushing TD record, unless you mean a different record I'm not seeing?

Also worth noting Reynolds vs. Notre Dame (3 games): 55 att. 210 yards, 3 TDs rushing; 14-of-28 passing, 222 yards, 3 TDs/1 INT. 422 yards and 6 TDs in 3 games, and Navy scored 97 points in the games.

I agree he's nowhere near the Heisman winner, but do I think he's a top 5 player in college football this year? Call me a fool, but I do.

 

[BGIF]

The thing ended with Reynolds getting 38% over Henry at 34%...

Seems like the gap closed a bunch...TODAY, since I was in yesterday and it was still a drubbing...Tin Foil Hat please.

Sounds like Nissan borrowed Volkswagen's testing software to re-calibrate the results ... and still failed.