2019 Master List

[NDIrish88]

Lax's post from the Bertrand thread where Kiser was being discussed.

Sounds like Kiser would be a counter . . . . also thanks to Lax and ABC for the info.

 

[ab2cmiller]

https://www.ncaapublications.com/p-...ual-august-version-available-august-2018.aspx

For anyone who is interested in how confounding the rules are and is bored at work today, check out section 15. It sounds like he can receive the scholarship and be eligible, but it doesn't really make as clear (at least to me) if he were to be a counter. There are also some interesting rules regarding early enrollees and summer participation that I didn't know before.

From what I can tell, Kiser would NOT be a counter IF he doesn't receive ANY institutional aid AND IF the Lilly Scholarship would be considered allowable.

Counter Definition
15.02.3 Counter. A “counter” is an individual who is receiving institutional financial aid that is countable against the aid limitations in a sport.
15.02.3.1 Initial Counter. [FBS/FCS] An “initial counter” is a counter who is receiving countable financial aid in a sport for the first time. (See Bylaw 15.5.6.3 in football for instances in which the institution is permitted to defer the counting of such financial aid until the following academic year.)

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15.02.5.3 Other Permissible Financial Aid. The following sources of financial aid are also permitted: (Adopted: 1/10/95 effective 8/1/95, Revised: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Financial aid received from anyone upon whom the student-athlete is naturally or legally dependent;
(b) Financial aid awarded solely on bases having no relationship to athletics ability;
(c) Financial aid awarded through an established and continuing outside program as outlined in Bylaw 15.2.6.3; and
(d) Educational expenses awarded by the U.S. Olympic Committee, which count against an institution’s sport-by-sport financial aid limitations and against the individual’s maximum limit on financial aid.

15.2.6 Financial Aid From Outside Sources.
15.2.6.1 Family Members. A student-athlete may receive financial aid from anyone upon whom the student-athlete is naturally or legally dependent. (Revised: 4/25/18)
15.2.6.1.1 Prepaid College Tuition Plans. A state-sponsored or private prepaid college tuition plan, purchased by a family member and paid to an institution on behalf of a student-athlete, is not considered aid from an outside source. Such aid is considered financial aid from someone upon whom the student athlete is naturally or legally dependent. (Revised: 6/10/04)
15.2.6.2 No Relationship to Athletics Ability. A student-athlete may receive financial aid awarded solely on bases having no relationship to athletics ability.
15.2.6.3 Financial Aid From an Established and Continuing Program. A student-athlete may receive financial aid through an established and continuing program to aid students, provided: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, Revised: 4/23/14)
(a) The recipient’s choice of institutions is not restricted by the donor of the aid;
(b) There is no direct connection between the donor and the student-athlete’s institution; and
(c) The financial aid is not provided by an outside sports team or organization that conducts a competitive sports program to an individual who is or has been a member of that team or organization.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Lilly scholarships I think are restricted to universities in Indiana. Would that conflict with 15.2.6.3 (a)?

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Lax's post from the Bertrand thread where Kiser was being discussed.

The interesting part about what Lax said is the part about high achieving students because it seems like that is what the Lilly scholarship would fall under.

Lilly scholarships I think are restricted to universities in Indiana. Would that conflict with 15.2.6.3 (a)?

I wouldn't think so because he can still choose from a variety of schools, so it can't be used to funnel him to a football school.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Lilly scholarships I think are restricted to universities in Indiana. Would that conflict with 15.2.6.3 (a)?

Not totally sure. Obviously it is restrictive in the sense that they can't choose any college in the country, but would still have plenty of choices in Indiana. Still could cross a line I suppose.

The Lilly Scholarship would possibly be allowed anyhow if it meets the definition of 15.2.6.2.

This whole discussion may be moot, unless he has other outside scholarships that would also be considered "allowable" to pay for room and board since the Lilly Scholarship doesn't cover those. If he doesn't then that would mean that the family would have to pay in excess of $15,000 a year. Not a likely scenario. Also there is the fact that he has a one in 3 chance of winning the Lilly Scholarship to begin with.

 

[BobbyMac]

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[RDU Irish]

Anyone care to debrief on who is left on the board for 2019? Anybody jump off the page? Would be nice to attach a name or two to some collateral benefits to some playoff success. Thanks.

 

[fightingirish26]

Anyone care to debrief on who is left on the board for 2019? Anybody jump off the page? Would be nice to attach a name or two to some collateral benefits to some playoff success. Thanks.

Foskey and Turner. That's it. Playoff success probably won't help us recruiting until 2020.

 

[BabyIrish]

Foskey and Turner. That's it. Playoff success probably won't help us recruiting until 2020.

Polian mentioned that some other prospects who weren’t enthusiastic about ND in Sept showed interest in November but he said there was no room for the inn. I do think it’ll payoff for us in 2020.

 

[RDU Irish]

Thanks guys - hard to believe our year isn't enough to open a few doors in the Top 100 level.

Per Rivals - 13 four star players signed, 4 are OL and the rest are defense. Looks like a few teams have room to pass us in the rankings so I suspect our current 11 rank will end up more like 13. Pretty consistent with where we have been finishing the last few years. Hope you guys are right and we parlay on field success in to a decent step up in the 2020 class.

 

[Irishman77]

I’ll bet a hundred trillion vbucks we finish in the top 3 for 2020 recruiting class..

 

[BobbyMac]

I’ll bet a hundred trillion vbucks we finish in the top 3 for 2020 recruiting class..

They won't. I was playing with the numbers last night. My guess right now is #7.

 

[ThePiombino]

I’ll bet a hundred trillion vbucks we finish in the top 3 for 2020 recruiting class..

Not gonna happen.

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[BabyIrish]

I’ll bet a hundred trillion vbucks we finish in the top 3 for 2020 recruiting class..

I'll take that bet

 

[snoopdog]

They won't. I was playing with the numbers last night. My guess right now is #7.

Seriously?

Why can't Notre Dame just get a 5 star QB who will transfer after his first season to boost their ratings? All the other teams are doing it.

 

[NDMIA]

They won't. I was playing with the numbers last night. My guess right now is #7.

Top 5 in the recruiting rankings means we sign top 60 players and ND doesn't do that. Haven't done it in 3 cycles when ND picked up Tommy Kraemer. Brandon Wimbush, Nyles Morgan, Quenton Nelson, and Tommy Kraemer were the guys for the last couple of years and they were either big time regional fits or cultural fits for the program. In 2020, ND has a couple of guys who fit those parameters by going to a catholic school or being in the region but its going to be an uphill battle.

.9976 5* OL Paris Johnson Jr.
.9867 4* RB Chris Tyree - doesn't fit the mold of catholic school or regional recruit and that's why it would be such a surprise to scoop him up
.9827 4* OL Luke Wypler
.9776 4* DL Darrion Henry
.9763 4* WR Jordan Johnson
.9753 4* WR AJ Henning
.9752 4* DL Jacolbe Cowan
.9750 4* DB Clark Phillips III - doesn't fit mold either, but ND making headway
.9743 4* WR Porter Rooks
.9740 4* OL Andrew Raym - doesn't fit mold, but likes ND

Some guys don't even make the list cause they have zero interest in ND. Myles Hinton, Mekhail Sherman, Chris Braswell, MarShawn Lloyd, Rakim Jarrett, the Mater Dei kids, and Fred Davis II. Luckily there are a lot of kids who go to private christian schools who are top recruits, but most of them don't want to continue that in college for whatever reason. Even the guys listed above, ND has a legit shot with maybe 5-6 of them. To get into the top 5, let alone the top 3, they'll need to hit on almost all of them and hope they get some bumps from Drew Pyne, Michael Mayer, Rylie Mills, Braiden McGregor, and other dudes that they are seriously for. The teams that make the top 5 in the recruiting rankings have either, made the playoffs multiple times (Alabama, Clemson), are in a state with 40 or more 4* composite recruits (Texas A&M & Georgia), or have 15 4*'s in their state and share a border with the most talented recruiting state in the country (LSU). Oregon was the surprise of the cycle in how good their class was, but they got all of their top kids from a their neighboring state, have the coolest facilities in North America aside from maybe Clemson and Bama, and have Nike paying everyone to come there. For ND, they are dealing with massive academic restrictions that most schools don't have at all, they have archaic facilities that are beautiful but dated and need a facelift, they are in northern Indiana, and they are in a state that produces 3-5 4* recruits every cycle and not much in the neighboring areas either (Ohio has the most but isn't exactly easy to poach from a state university that everyone wants to go to).

 

[arrowryan]

Trying to predict Notre Dame's ranking for the 2020 class is fun to think about, but it is impossible. Guys that might be high on Notre Dame now will fade and guys that aren't currently in the picture will come around in the spring/summer. And lets not forget that recruiting services love to lower the ranks of Notre Dame commits.

I think the success of the 2018 season will help Notre Dame land a top 10 class, but they'll need to land some guys that they historically don't get if they want to be top 5.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Thanks guys - hard to believe our year isn't enough to open a few doors in the Top 100 level.

Per Rivals - 13 four star players signed, 4 are OL and the rest are defense. Looks like a few teams have room to pass us in the rankings so I suspect our current 11 rank will end up more like 13. Pretty consistent with where we have been finishing the last few years. Hope you guys are right and we parlay on field success in to a decent step up in the 2020 class.

Loy put out a piece detailing a potential rise in Irish rankings. If we sign two more mysterious players, we'll get a small bump. But when our guys play in the big all star games, he has a few that could get big bumps in then rankings: NaNa, Hamilton, Liufau, etc.

We could still fall inside the top 10, which is plenty good enough for me. Just keep these consistent top-15 classes every year and don't whiff on any positions and we'll be competitive every year.

 

[snoopdog]

Loy put out a piece detailing a potential rise in Irish rankings. If we sign two more mysterious players, we'll get a small bump. But when our guys play in the big all star games, he has a few that could get big bumps in then rankings: NaNa, Hamilton, Liufau, etc.

We could still fall inside the top 10, which is plenty good enough for me. Just keep these consistent top-15 classes every year and don't whiff on any positions and we'll be competitive every year.

completely agree. getting consistently good classes and developing the kids at the highest level is the only way to compete with the Recruiting juggernaut Bama

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

completely agree. getting consistently good classes and developing the kids at the highest level is the only way to compete with the Recruiting juggernaut Bama

Yeah, its foundational. Keep every position stocked so the most talented players can rise to the top.

We haven't seen this consistent level of recruiting in Kelly's tenure. It's the 3rd straight class without positional deficiencies.

We can always hope for more star power at the top end but the way our staff is recruiting right now, we should win 10+ consistently.

 

[NDIrish88]

Now that the class is mostly signed and ND is definitely still going after Turner and Foskey, do you think they make an unexpected move and go after someone else? I guess it would depend on who they think is coming back?

 

[NDMIA]

Now that the class is mostly signed and ND is definitely still going after Turner and Foskey, do you think they make an unexpected move and go after someone else? I guess it would depend on who they think is coming back?

Here’s a list of unsigned top 100 composite players. If ND did fill up their class then they are probably only looking for a big time impact player if they are going to “make room”.

.9968 5* WR Jadon Haselwood
.9954 5* WR Bru McCoy
.9946 5* DL Ishmael Sopsher
.9944 5* OL Darnell Wright
.9851 5* WR Kyle Ford
.9842 5* DB Akeem Dent (FSU)
.9825 4* WR George Pickens
.9810 4* DB Tyrique Stevenson
.9804 4* DB Chris Steele
.9800 4* LB Henry To’oto’o
.9787 4* RB Jerrion Ealy (OLE MISS)
.9701 4* DL Khris Bogle
.9692 4* TE Hudson Henry (ARK)
.9690 4* DB Kaiir Elam
.9685 4* DB Maurice Hampton (LSU)
.9679 4* DL Nathan Pickering (MISS ST)
.9633 4* DB Nick Cross (FSU)
.9614 4* RB Mark-Antony Richards
.9593 4* DL Bryon Young (BAMA)
.9581 4* OL Doug Nester (OSU)
.9550 4* WR Treylon Burke (ARK)

First off, not a lot left in terms of numbers of players. 2nd, most of these guys have had schools on them forever and I have no idea who ND has kept in contact with that would even give them a remote shot. Now, if a Jerrion Ealy were to call up Brian Kelly and say that he’s made a terrible mistake and would like to come up and visit then maybe the staff would bite but I just don’t see a lot of the top 100 guys doing that. I definitely think Polian is right in that people were calling during the season but I don’t think it was the top top dudes. There’s always chance for a surprise or two between now and February but I think ND is pretty much set on recruiting Asa Turner & Isaiah Foskey while setting up junior days and visiting 2020 guys in January.

 

[stlnd01]

Yeah, its foundational. Keep every position stocked so the most talented players can rise to the top.

We haven't seen this consistent level of recruiting in Kelly's tenure. It's the 3rd straight class without positional deficiencies.

We can always hope for more star power at the top end but the way our staff is recruiting right now, we should win 10+ consistently.

Right. We've been stacking up four-star talent across the depth chart the last few years and that has us in position to win 10 games consistently. I am a complete and absolute fan of this approach (instead of chasing five stars who don't really fit).

A bit of me, though, worries that to take the next step from there - making the playoffs/competing for titles on a consistent basis - we may need more truly elite talent, top 50 players, at more positions than just OL. Of course only a few teams do that. We will be playing several of them in our next few games - Clemson, (hopefully) Bama, and Georgia. Should be an interesting test.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Here’s a list of unsigned top 100 composite players. If ND did fill up their class then they are probably only looking for a big time impact player if they are going to “make room”.

.9968 5* WR Jadon Haselwood
.9954 5* WR Bru McCoy
.9946 5* DL Ishmael Sopsher
.9944 5* OL Darnell Wright
.9851 5* WR Kyle Ford
.9842 5* DB Akeem Dent (FSU)
.9825 4* WR George Pickens
.9810 4* DB Tyrique Stevenson
.9804 4* DB Chris Steele
.9800 4* LB Henry To’oto’o
.9787 4* RB Jerrion Ealy (OLE MISS)
.9701 4* DL Khris Bogle
.9692 4* TE Hudson Henry (ARK)
.9690 4* DB Kaiir Elam
.9685 4* DB Maurice Hampton (LSU)
.9679 4* DL Nathan Pickering (MISS ST)
.9633 4* DB Nick Cross (FSU)
.9614 4* RB Mark-Antony Richards
.9593 4* DL Bryon Young (BAMA)
.9581 4* OL Doug Nester (OSU)
.9550 4* WR Treylon Burke (ARK)

First off, not a lot left in terms of numbers of players. 2nd, most of these guys have had schools on them forever and I have no idea who ND has kept in contact with that would even give them a remote shot. Now, if a Jerrion Ealy were to call up Brian Kelly and say that he’s made a terrible mistake and would like to come up and visit then maybe the staff would bite but I just don’t see a lot of the top 100 guys doing that. I definitely think Polian is right in that people were calling during the season but I don’t think it was the top top dudes. There’s always chance for a surprise or two between now and February but I think ND is pretty much set on recruiting Asa Turner & Isaiah Foskey while setting up junior days and visiting 2020 guys in January.

Ealy is probably going to be drafted high enough in the MLB draft that he forgoes college all together. How many of these guys has ND had contact with before? McCoy, Ford, and Henry are the names that really stick out to me.

 

[stlnd01]

Ealy is probably going to be drafted high enough in the MLB draft that he forgoes college all together. How many of these guys has ND had contact with before? McCoy, Ford, and Henry are the names that really stick out to me.

Both those guys look born for USC, huh? That'll be fun for the next few years. (Though USC already has three WRs signed?)

 

[NDdomer2]

Did we not continue to try and add another OL because of lack of interest from quality players, or lack of need?

Seeing kristofic with Trex arms makes me feel like we could really use a true OT in this class.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

We got undefeated and still can’t land a top 12 class something’s wrong

 

[Irishnuke]

We got undefeated and still can’t land a top 12 class something’s wrong

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[beryirish]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25715108/most-important-recruit-top-25-college-football-team

Most important recruit for every top 25 college football team

No. 5 Notre Dame: S Kyle Hamilton

Notre Dame's biggest pickup in the class could very well be kicker Jay Bramblett, who will likely fill a need at punter. It could also be defensive end NaNa Osafo-Mensah, who could provide a pass rush in 2019. But Hamilton is just too good to keep off the field and should be able to make an impact at safety and on special teams early on for Notre Dame. At 6-foot-4 and nearly 200 pounds, Hamilton has size and speed and could end up one of the top performers from this class when his college career is over.

 

[NDMIA]

https://247sports.com/Article/2019-defensive-end-Michael-Lockhart-is-starting-to-blow-up-will-Notre-Dame-offer-127858628/
Michael Lockhart

First Power 5 offer on December 23. Kid is blowing up. 6'5'' 250lb SDE/3T for ND. Power 5 offers since December 23:
Colorado, Nebraska, TCU, Iowa, UNC, Virginia, Kansas, Georgia Tech, Rutgers, Syracuse, Mississippi St, and Baylor.