2018 Week 14 Conf Champ Watch Party

[greyhammer90]

Fox just said Oklahoma should jump ND.

 

[Circa]

Fox just said Oklahoma should jump ND.

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[Junkhead]

Fox just said Oklahoma should jump ND.

Pretty much everyone hates ND, other than us ND fans. We have to have thick skin.

 

[ickythump1225]

Fox just said Oklahoma should jump ND.

Big surprise that a former USC QB and a former Pitt coach were out there saying ND should move down.

 

[IrishLax]

Fox just said Oklahoma should jump ND.

Yeah, this is going to be a bumpy 24 hours. I'm actually not convinced anymore that ND is going to get in. Every other conference has people in that room that will lobby for their team, ND does not. Big Ten got screwed last year, too, so they'll be looking for their pound of flesh.

I never realized how fucked this system was until this year when I actually had to follow a team through it. It is way worse than just using the polls, because the wisdom of the crowd cuts through the nonsense and angle shooting.

There is no legitimate argument for Oklahoma being ahead of ND. They have struggled with almost everyone they have played over the latter half of the season. Their defense is rated outside of the top 50. They do not pass the eye test, at all. They have no top 10 wins. They have no large-margin wins (3+ scores) over any ranked teams. They have worse game control metrics than ND.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Yeah, this is going to be a bumpy next three days. I'm actually not convinced anymore that ND is going to get in. Every other conference has people in that room that will lobby for their team, ND does not. Big Ten got screwed last year, too, so they'll be looking for their pound of flesh.



I never realized how fucked this system was until this year when I actually had to follow a team through it. It is way worse than just using the polls, because the wisdom of the crowd cuts through the nonsense and angle shooting.



There is no legitimate argument for Oklahoma being ahead of ND. They have struggled with almost everyone they have played over the latter half of the season. Their defense is rated outside of the top 50. They do not pass the eye test, at all. They have no top 10 wins. They have no large-margin wins (3+ scores) over any ranked teams. They have worse game control metrics than ND.

Well Im definitely not here yet, but moving to #4 is my concern, and IMO, as big a slap in the face as being left out.


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[IrishLax]

Well Im definitely not here yet, but moving to #4 is my concern, and IMO, as big a slap in the face as being left out.


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I'd rather be left out than moved to 4. We cannot beat Bama if they have a month to prepare. It's impossible. We'd have a shot at Clemson. It really sucks there is no way we get a crack at Oklahoma, because I'd take us to win big in that matchup. I have never seen a more fraudulent team than the Sooners. Kyler Murray covers up a LOT of flaws.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah, this is going to be a bumpy next three days. I'm actually not convinced anymore that ND is going to get in. Every other conference has people in that room that will lobby for their team, ND does not. Big Ten got screwed last year, too, so they'll be looking for their pound of flesh.

I never realized how fucked this system was until this year when I actually had to follow a team through it. It is way worse than just using the polls, because the wisdom of the crowd cuts through the nonsense and angle shooting.

There is no legitimate argument for Oklahoma being ahead of ND. They have struggled with almost everyone they have played over the latter half of the season. Their defense is rated outside of the top 50. They do not pass the eye test, at all. They have no top 10 wins. They have no large-margin wins (3+ scores) over any ranked teams. They have worse game control metrics than ND.

I can hear all of the below and then some...

OSU/Big10 vs ND conversation - ND only beat NW by 10. We beat them by 21. ND only beat scUM by 7, we boat raced them. We got F'd last year, you owe us.

UCF/AAC vs ND conversation - ND beat Pitt by 5. We beat them by 31. We beat the team that beat #1 and #2 less than a year ago.

Clemson/ACC vs ND conversation - Our margin of victory over common opponents is 145 vs ND's 96.

OK/Big12 vs ND Conversaton - Our only loss was our biggest yearly rivalry. We avenged our only loss, so have we really lost a game? And it was a 13th data point.

Bama/UGA/SEC vs ND - Bama boat raced them in 2012, and we/UGA beat them @ND last year before our QB took his training wheels off. Do you really want to see another boat race? Vegas has us as the clear top 2 teams in the Nation, and our only losses are to Bama, and in the arguably toughest road environment in all of football.

tomorrow though...

 

[BeatSC]

He and Finebaum should just get a room and wait for Saban to come knocking.

 

[greyhammer90]

Just in case anyone wants to see how the average fan feels about the team, check out this fun thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/a28shu/cfp_discussion_thread/

 

[Irish YJ]

Just in case anyone wants to see how the average fan feels about the team, check out this fun thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/a28shu/cfp_discussion_thread/

a lot of passion in that thread.

my favorite...

1) Bama vs 8) UW

2) Clemson vs 7) UCF

3) ND vs 6) Georgia

4) Oklahoma vs 5) OSU

Solved

 

[IrishLax]

Just in case anyone wants to see how the average fan feels about the team, check out this fun thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/a28shu/cfp_discussion_thread/

Honestly, when I went and sorted by "top" comments I thought people were surprisingly fair to ND and almost everyone had it: Bama-Clemson-ND-Oklahoma

There were a handful of people lower down there that were absolutely obsessed with ND. Big Ten fans absolutely HATE that ND isn't in a conference, and in general Big 12 fans seem to live in an insane bubble where they don't realize that people laugh at their no-defense conference.

Only way I see ND getting left out would be if they decide to put Oklahoma and Ohio State in because some new voices in the room try to emphasize "conference championships" above everything else. It could happen, but it would seriously break precedent.

 

[MNIrishman]

Honestly, when I went and sorted by "top" comments I thought people were surprisingly fair to ND and almost everyone had it: Bama-Clemson-ND-Oklahoma

There were a handful of people lower down there that were absolutely obsessed with ND. Big Ten fans absolutely HATE that ND isn't in a conference, and in general Big 12 fans seem to live in an insane bubble where they don't realize that people laugh at their no-defense conference.

Only way I see ND getting left out would be if they decide to put Oklahoma and Ohio State in because some new voices in the room try to emphasize "conference championships" above everything else. It could happen, but it would seriously break precedent.

I really hate conferences. Conference titles only matter to human punchlines like Schembechler. So many mentally-deficient opinions on Reddit.

 

[Irish YJ]

He and Finebaum should just get a room and wait for Saban to come knocking.

Saban aint got time for them. he only bends over worthy bitches like Urban, Dabo, Kirbs, and BK.

 

[irishfanjho15]

I can hear all of the below and then some...

OSU/Big10 vs ND conversation - ND only beat NW by 10. We beat them by 21. ND only beat scUM by 7, we boat raced them. We got F'd last year, you owe us.

UCF/AAC vs ND conversation - ND beat Pitt by 5. We beat them by 31. We beat the team that beat #1 and #2 less than a year ago.

Clemson/ACC vs ND conversation - Our margin of victory over common opponents is 145 vs ND's 96.

OK/Big12 vs ND Conversaton - Our only loss was our biggest yearly rivalry. We avenged our only loss, so have we really lost a game? And it was a 13th data point.

Bama/UGA/SEC vs ND - Bama boat raced them in 2012, and we/UGA beat them @ND last year before our QB took his training wheels off. Do you really want to see another boat race? Vegas has us as the clear top 2 teams in the Nation, and our only losses are to Bama, and in the arguably toughest road environment in all of football.

tomorrow though...

Margin of victory is not to be taken into account for common opponents, only comparative outcomes (i.e. whether you win or lose). This is per the CFP selection criteria.

Honestly, what can hurt Notre Dame is the Big 12 and B1G Championships by 1 loss teams.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I think it’s clear it’s bama, Clemson, Nd, Oklahoma in that order, and I completely expect that will be what happens. I’d be shocked otherwise.


That said, I HATE the “best four teams” narrative. Frankly, it’s bullshit. It’s an unknowable concept. It’s formed completely by biased, flawed opinion of what “best” is. Honestly, why play out a regular season slate, if it doesn’t matter whether you win or lose? Because that’s what you are saying if you favor a 2 loss team over a one or no loss team because you think they are “better” or their conference is “better”. The CFP has painted itself into this vile corner by using that terminology, and they now have no way out. It’s time to go to 8, and the three wildcards need to be determined by some kind of meaningful criteria, with HIGHEST emphasis on wins and head to head results. Anything less is a farce. Rant over.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

2018 Week 14 Conf Champ Watch Party

I think it’s clear it’s bama, Clemson, Nd, Oklahoma in that order, and I completely expect that will be what happens. I’d be shocked otherwise.


That said, I HATE the “best four teams” narrative. Frankly, it’s bullshit. It’s an unknowable concept. It’s formed completely by biased, flawed opinion of what “best” is. Honestly, why play out a regular season slate, if it doesn’t matter whether you win or lose? Because that’s what you are saying if you favor a 2 loss team over a one or no loss team because you think they are “better” or their conference is “better”. The CFP has painted itself into this vile corner by using that terminology, and they now have no way out. It’s time to go to 8, and the three wildcards need to be determined by some kind of meaningful criteria, with HIGHEST emphasis on wins and head to head results. Anything less is a farce. Rant over.

The annoying part is nobody checks these guys when they start banging the BEST TEAMS drum.

The best teams dont lose by 30 to Purdue. Period.

The best teams dont get boat raced by an LSU team that cant even score. Period.

The best teams dont give up 40+ points in HALF of their games. Period.





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[Andy in Sactown]

Pretty much everyone hates ND, other than us ND fans. We have to have thick skin.

Weather the storm boys and girls. Lot's of hater-aid on its way.

 

[zelezo vlk]

A Sparty fan earlier today told me that he thinks the team will fold in the playoffs because they haven't played anybody. I asked him who Clemson played. Crickets

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[Free Manera]

A Sparty fan earlier today told me that he thinks the team will fold in the playoffs because they haven't played anybody. I asked him who Clemson played. Crickets

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Yep game is over Clemson clinched their spot in the ship already, haven’t you heard? Damn I hope our poor boys just don’t get hurt out there. /s

God I am pumped for this game. Keep telling these boys they don’t belong though.