2018 NFL Draft

[ACamp1900]

Dorsey's bros think he's going to go Allen/Barkley lol

Purposeful leak/smokescreen imo... I'd be stunned beyond belief. My best guess is they go Darnold and Chubb or Darnold and trade back.

 

[Armyirish47]

ESPN Insider has posted double the mock, with a 2 round Kiper/Mcshay draftapalooza. This includes McShay making a couple of hypothetical trades.

NFL two-round 2018 mock draft - Mel Kiper, Todd McShay dueling first, second round pick rankings, draft order, 32 picks


Short hand notes? Sure!
Both have Browns with QB/RB first round combo.
Nelson falls to 8 to the Bears.
McGlinchey at 16 to the Ravens for Kiper and 23 to the Patriots for McShay.

Hypothetical trades were Bills to #2, and Dolphins to #6. If it shakes out like that QBs are going to be flying fast and furious, which might hurt the Niners chances to move back. That gives me a sad.

 

[ACamp1900]

The thought of Chubb sitting there at four and the Browns taking a RB instead gives me the epic sads....

 

[IrishLion]

ESPN Insider has posted double the mock, with a 2 round Kiper/Mcshay draftapalooza. This includes McShay making a couple of hypothetical trades.

NFL two-round 2018 mock draft - Mel Kiper, Todd McShay dueling first, second round pick rankings, draft order, 32 picks


Short hand notes? Sure!
Both have Browns with QB/RB first round combo.
Nelson falls to 8 to the Bears.
McGlinchey at 16 to the Ravens for Kiper and 23 to the Patriots for McShay.

Hypothetical trades were Bills to #2, and Dolphins to #6. If it shakes out like that QBs are going to be flying fast and furious, which might hurt the Niners chances to move back. That gives me a sad.

Who do they have written in for the Bengals?

 

[ACamp1900]

I'd love for Buffalo to move up, and the Jets get stuck with their third choice QB after all that... I'm tired of being the worst team in the NFL... I'm ready for someone else to take that up and The Jets seem like a real candidate... let them muck everything up and have their time at the bottom, lol.

 

[ndfb3.1]

New England maybe trying to get Mayfield?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...in-the-market-for-a-qb-in-the-2018-nfl-draft/

 

[ACamp1900]

New England maybe trying to get Mayfield?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...in-the-market-for-a-qb-in-the-2018-nfl-draft/

Unless they are planning on moving WAY up, I'd put my money on Rudolph.

 

[Legacy]

ESPN Insider has posted double the mock, with a 2 round Kiper/Mcshay draftapalooza. This includes McShay making a couple of hypothetical trades.

NFL two-round 2018 mock draft - Mel Kiper, Todd McShay dueling first, second round pick rankings, draft order, 32 picks


Short hand notes? Sure!
Both have Browns with QB/RB first round combo.
Nelson falls to 8 to the Bears.
McGlinchey at 16 to the Ravens for Kiper and 23 to the Patriots for McShay.

Hypothetical trades were Bills to #2, and Dolphins to #6. If it shakes out like that QBs are going to be flying fast and furious, which might hurt the Niners chances to move back. That gives me a sad.

To move up to #2, the Bills would need to trade both their first rounders (12 & 23), their first 2nd rounder (53) and their second 3rd rounder (96). That would leave them with six picks in 2018. No one else has that kind of draft capital to move up, unless it would be someone closer to #2 like Denver at #5, who is rumored to be looking to trade back. I don't think Buffalo moves up as far as #2. Cleveland at #4 would have their QB so Bills can move to 5 or 6 and still take the next QB. Denver could be a trade partner for the Bills and would be cheaper. Or Indy at #6.

I think Nelson is gone by #8.

Do you realize that the hypothetical trade up by Miami to #6 would be with Indy, who would then have moved back twice? Miami would have to give up their 1st, 2nd and 4th picks to move up to #6.

Indy already has nine picks including three second rounders and would be happy to acquire another two picks in a trade with the Bills. The Bills would have to give up their first pick in round 1 and their first pick in round 2 to the Colts. Indy would have two first rounders, four second rounders, and two third rounders.

 

[Armyirish47]

Who do they have written in for the Bengals?

Linebackers, either Esch from Boise St. or Evans from Alabama in the first round. Second round was standard "everybody needs interior depth!" DT or OG/C. Phillips from Stanford or Price from Teh Ohio State.

 

[Armyirish47]

To move up to #2, the Bills would need to trade both their first rounders (12 & 23), their first 2nd rounder (53) and their second 3rd rounder (96). That would leave them with six picks in 2018. No one else has that kind of draft capital to move up, unless it would be someone closer to #2 like Denver at #5, who is rumored to be looking to trade back. I don't think Buffalo moves up as far as #2. Cleveland at #4 would have their QB so Bills can move to 5 or 6 and still take the next QB. Denver could be a trade partner for the Bills and would be cheaper. Or Indy at #6.

I think Nelson is gone by #8.

Do you realize that the hypothetical trade up by Miami to #6 would be with Indy, who would then have moved back twice? Miami would have to give up their 1st, 2nd and 4th picks to move up to #6.

Indy already has nine picks including three second rounders and would be happy to acquire another two picks in a trade with the Bills. The Bills would have to give up their first pick in round 1 and their first pick in round 2 to the Colts. Indy would have two first rounders, four second rounders, and two third rounders.

That would be like a real life Madden Franchise Mode. Hopefully they spent some XP on scouting.

 

[zelezo vlk]

https://www.theringer.com/2018/4/5/17200244/quenton-nelson-notre-dame-draft-prospect-top-five-pick

Here's an article on Q on the Ringer

 

[Legacy]

Evaluating KC's trade up with Buffalo 2017 draft

Evaluating KC's trade up with Buffalo 2017 draft

KC paid a steep price for moving up from 27th to 10th to pick their QB of the future, Patrick Mahomes. But it's worth examining the trade a year later.

Buffalo's tenth pick in 2017 was worth 1300 on the NFL trade value chart.
In turn, KC's 27th was worth 680. KC also gave Buffalo their first round pick in 2018, which ended up as 22nd in this years draft 780 pts (1460 total).
KC also threw in their third round pick in 2018 (136 pts) totaling 1590 pts for Buffalo's tenth worth 1300.

Consider the impact of 2018. Mahomes has now sat a year with Andy Reid and Alex Smith tutoring him. Alex Smith was coming up on a decision to extend his contract and was widely considered that he would be traded in 2018. KC traded Smith this offseason for Washington's third rounder, the 78th pick and a starting CB in Kendall Fuller in the Smith trade. Fuller was one of highest rated CBs by ProFootball Focus.

At the end of the day, considering draft picks and the Alex Smith trade, KC got a much better pick in the first round of 2017, the third rounders (2017 for Buffalo and 2018 for KC) was slightly better for KC. Smith, who was going to be traded, was traded for Fuller, who is still on his rookie contract, freeing up cap room - advantage KC, too.

KC got their QB of the future, too, also on obviously a rookie contract, saving cap space. Sometimes trades have to be considered on their impacts over a couple of years - or longer - with trades and the picks acquired for the next year and cap space as well as intangibles like how good Mahomes turns out to be and what if Buffalo had kept that tenth pick and chosen Mahomes, sitting him for a year.

So, who won that trade?

 

[ACamp1900]

Can we please just get this over with so I can stop hearing about Barkley already......

Also, what are everyone's thoughts on this Allen at 1 momentum?? If they honestly feel he's the guy then take him but my gut tells me it's just smoke to get someone to trade with NYG for Darnold or Rosen... thus ensuring Chubb at 4.

 

[Luckylucci]

Can we please just get this over with so I can stop hearing about Barkley already......

Also, what are everyone's thoughts on this Allen at 1 momentum?? If they honestly feel he's the guy then take him but my gut tells me it's just smoke to get someone to trade with NYG for Darnold or Rosen... thus ensuring Chubb at 4.

This. At this point, I've read articles from folks that have had the Brown favoring 3 of the 4 QB's. It's just smoke to drum up interest in the other QB's they don't want.

 

[Rack Em]

Can we please just get this over with so I can stop hearing about Barkley already......

Also, what are everyone's thoughts on this Allen at 1 momentum?? If they honestly feel he's the guy then take him but my gut tells me it's just smoke to get someone to trade with NYG for Darnold or Rosen... thus ensuring Chubb at 4.

I almost think the best scenario for the Browns is for Chubb to get taken at 2 by NYG, thus ensuring that one of the top 3 QBs is still left at #4. The Bills would definitely give up #12 and #22 for that pick.

#1 - Darnold
#12 - Best DB available (Derwin James, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Denzel Ward)
#22 - Best DT available (Da'Ron Payne, Taven Bryant, Maurice Hurst)

Then pick an OT and a RB with #33 and #35.

 

[dublinirish]

I almost think the best scenario for the Browns is for Chubb to get taken at 2 by NYG, thus ensuring that one of the top 3 QBs is still left at #4. The Bills would definitely give up #12 and #22 for that pick.

#1 - Darnold
#12 - Best DB available (Derwin James, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Denzel Ward)
#22 - Best DT available (Da'Ron Payne, Taven Bryant, Maurice Hurst)

Then pick an OT and a RB with #33 and #35.

Browns haven't had Fitzpatrick visit apparently (could be a smokescreen)

 

[Rack Em]

Browns haven't had Fitzpatrick visit apparently (could be a smokescreen)

Yeah cuz they're gonna pick Barkley at #1 and Mayfield at #4

 

[ACamp1900]

They haven't met with Barkley or Chubb either... cited that the unofficial meetings were enough and that they have no concerns/questions or anything else that would warrant them having to interview any of them further...

 

[ACamp1900]

I almost think the best scenario for the Browns is for Chubb to get taken at 2 by NYG, thus ensuring that one of the top 3 QBs is still left at #4. The Bills would definitely give up #12 and #22 for that pick.

#1 - Darnold
#12 - Best DB available (Derwin James, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Denzel Ward)
#22 - Best DT available (Da'Ron Payne, Taven Bryant, Maurice Hurst)

Then pick an OT and a RB with #33 and #35.

Wouldn't hate this at all... honestly the only realistic scenario at this stage that I'd really be Debbie Downer about would be something like Allen-1, Barkley-4... So, if history is any indicator they will almost certainly go, Allen at 1, Barkley at 4. I will try, REAL HARD to stay positive about Allen though, I said I'd trust in any QB they think is worth the 1st overall and will try to stick to that (and almost certainly fail).

 

[ACamp1900]

I am totally expecting Barkley to be a decent home run threat from time to time but generally be a terrible every down, NFL, back... regardless of who lands him.

 

[Luckylucci]

I am totally expecting Barkley to be a decent home run threat from time to time but generally be a terrible every down, NFL, back... regardless of who lands him.

I'm kind of in that camp as well. The combine did help move me off that a little. I just can't seem to get past some of the real stinker games he put up this year. Similarly, I can't seem to get past Darnold's TO's to take him at #1 overall.

 

[ND NYC]

would love to see Cleveland go Allen at #1, then a team (ie broncos) swaps picks with giants, plus other picks, Denver gets darnold and giants have extra picks and one of barkley/chubb/nelson. would be happy with any of them as a giant fan.

at thisp point I don't think teams try and move up to #2 for anyone but darnold though.

(I don't like darnold personally and just dont see it with that kid, but i'm not an nfl scout)

 

[ACamp1900]

I get everyone's issues with Darnold I really do, very few QBs are ever can't miss like Manning, Luck or whatever... My honest thoughts are he and Rosen are a coin flip for the best bets in this draft and then I see a pretty big gap between them and the others... a dozen factors will play into which ones actually make it and which ones bust out but right now I see why scouts like him. I would be very comfortable with my Browns taking him at 1.

 

[ACamp1900]

Allen is intriguing though, not going to lie. I do think his ceiling may be the highest of the four, though he may have the lowest floor too. If everything goes right, with his arm and his ability to move around, if everything comes together I could see him being a John Elway type.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I think I like Rosen the most of the three. Allen is boom or bust and Cleveland has played that game enough.

Many believe Darnold has pro tools but it really seems like he makes terrible decisions and way too many turnovers with the speed he had at his disposal. He'll be throwing into much tighter windows in the NFL.

Rosen has fragility issues but I like his game the most. He played with less than elite talent and still produced. I think he'd be my pick, acknowledging that QBs are almost always a crapshoot.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think I like Rosen the most of the three. Allen is boom or bust and Cleveland has played that game enough.

Many believe Darnold has pro tools but it really seems like he makes terrible decisions and way too many turnovers with the speed he had at his disposal. He'll be throwing into much tighter windows in the NFL.

Rosen has fragility issues but I like his game the most. He played with less than elite talent and still produced. I think he'd be my pick, acknowledging that QBs are almost always a crapshoot.

Rosen would be my #1 as well. Especially, if they had to play right away. However, it changes if you have the luxury of giving the prospective QB a 1-2 year window to mature. Then I'd go Allen.

Start now: Rosen, Darnold, Allen
Sit 1-2 years: Allen, Rosen, Darnold

And the bolded certainly holds true for my comments as well, lol.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Ehhh. When's the last time we saw a QB prospect become substantially more accurate in the pros? That's what worries me about Allen

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[woolybug25]

Ehhh. When's the last time we saw a QB prospect become substantially more accurate in the pros? That's what worries me about Allen

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Matt Ryan? It’s pretty rare.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Matt Ryan? It’s pretty rare.

Even then, I thought he was supposed to be pretty decent in college, just without tons of upside as a prospect, hence why he went 3rd overall. I'm drawing a blank. I want Allen to be good, but I just think it's a huge red flag.

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[arrowryan]

Josh Allen, in my opinion, is the best QB in this draft. His completion % was not good this past season, but I think he has the physical and mental makeup to be a good QB. I don't believe Rosen or Barkley would be good AFC North quarterbacks.

If the Browns want Chubb, they need to take him #1 overall. I don't see him getting passed the Giants at #2. If the Giants didn't trade JPP, Chubb would probably be there at 4.