2018 CFP Rankings

[Irish#1]

Dan Patrick discussed this subject a lot today and took a lot of phone calls from listeners. A lot of good suggestions, but the one consistency was to eliminate the CCG's.

 

[greyhammer90]

Has it occurred to anyone that if the CFP didn't exist we'd be watching the ACC and SEC championship games as our only hope to get in the BCS Championship Game?

 

[stlnd01]

Has it occurred to anyone that if the CFP didn't exist we'd be watching the ACC and SEC championship games as our only hope to get in the BCS Championship Game?

Why, Pete Sampson just wrote about that this morning.

To be fair, this is a very unusual year with three major teams likely going undefeated. And yes we would (and probably should) be the odd team out if it were the old BCS system. Though the real killer would have been if Georgia beat Bama and jumped us.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I can't wait until NW beats OSU and Urban retires.

 

[ACamp1900]

I can't wait until NW beats OSU and Urban retires.

Can he take Saban with him please??

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Can he take Saban with him please??

Patience, my friend.
One at a time, let's not get greedy.

 

[ACamp1900]

Has it occurred to anyone that if the CFP didn't exist we'd be watching the ACC and SEC championship games as our only hope to get in the BCS Championship Game?

Or that if neither ever existed we could be going into a bowl game with a shot at a split natty at least... hell me might have won the natty in 12 by not playing Bama at all, lol.

 

[RDU Irish]

In your first scenario, switch Bama and ND. They won't have UGA and Bama play each other again two weeks in a row if they can help it. It'd be Clemson, UGA, ND, Bama for the first round.

Which is exactly why they should treat it as an elimination game. Why should the winner have to face the loser again?

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm not trying to be argumentative at all. But wtf does "claiming" a national title really mean anyways? No one outside of Orlando believes UCF is a national champion. Where's their trophy?

It's not their fault regarding the schedule, no. They have to play who they have scheduled. But you're going to put them in and punish UGA, pOSU, or Oklahoma for playing much tougher schedules and faltering once, because the team with the 100-something SOS went undefeated?

Alabama claims about fifty titles nobody else recognizes - you have a clear path to eliminate that but instead have to feed the system by only thinking name brand schools can win. Give them a damn shot and see what happens, if you don't like it - don't lose to Purdue or give up 50 points per game or get stomped by a grossly overrated LSU team. Who really thinks UCF couldn't do to OSU and Oklahoma what they did to Auburn? Don't be an evil stepmother and let Cinderella go to the ball already.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Alabama claims about fifty titles nobody else recognizes - you have a clear path to eliminate that but instead have to feed the system by only thinking name brand schools can win. Give them a damn shot and see what happens, if you don't like it - don't lose to Purdue or give up 50 points per game or get stomped by a grossly overrated LSU team. Who really thinks UCF couldn't do to OSU and Oklahoma what they did to Auburn? Don't be an evil stepmother and let Cinderella go to the ball already.

Did you just call me a stepmother?

In all seriousness, OSU and Oklahoma have their flaws, but they received these chinks in their armor by actually fighting battles, not by slaughtering the hapless. Again, my opinion. I can see arguments both ways, I feel like the majority don't feel it's right to reward someone for a great heap of meaningless victories.

I wouldn't have a problem putting UCF in if we had a 8 team format. But I just have a really hard time finding definitive proof that they are among the top 4 teams in the country (my opinion), which is the CFP committee's job, as flawed as it may seem.

 

[OhioIrish31]

UCF has played two P5 teams...OSU has played (11). Go home UCF!

 

[Bishop2b5]

Would any of you bet on UCF against Bama, Clemson, ND, UGA, OSU or OU? Would any of you even bet on them if given 14 points? Probably not. They wouldn't be favored against any of the top 8 teams, let alone top 4. They don't belong in the playoffs. Nice record, nice win streak, but it hasn't convinced anyone outside of their own fanbase that they're a top team.

 

[GowerND11]

Would any of you bet on UCF against Bama, Clemson, ND, UGA, OSU or OU? Would any of you even bet on them if given 14 points? Probably not. They wouldn't be favored against any of the top 8 teams, let alone top 4. They don't belong in the playoffs. Nice record, nice win streak, but it hasn't convinced anyone outside of their own fanbase that they're a top team.

I'd think about betting on them just because, if right, I'm making a lot more money that way! haha

 

[Legacy]

Notre Dame’s light 2018 schedule would’ve been awesome in 1995

First few paragraphs:

Notre Dame’s schedule is always piecemeal. There are five ACC opponents on the slate thanks to a loose conference affiliation. There are annual matchups with Navy, USC, and Stanford. There used to be an annual date with Michigan, which returned to the schedule in 2018. Assorted Big Ten teams like Michigan State, Northwestern, and Purdue also appear on the schedule depending on the year.

Notre Dame’s schedule is such a grab bag because it is an independent, in part because they don’t really need the money that a conference would provide. But independent status also puts Notre Dame in an awkward spot where the Playoff is concerned.

By not being in a conference, and therefore not having the chance to win a conference championship game, Notre Dame shrinks its margin for error to get into the College Football Playoff. If it has one loss, it falls into a pot of otherwise comparable teams who often have one more chance than the Irish to score a big win.

This year, Notre Dame went undefeated and made sure that strength of schedule wouldn’t matter. Every week they took care of business.

 

[ACamp1900]

Got to love that title.... it's ND perfect.

 

[RDU Irish]

Did you just call me a stepmother?

In all seriousness, OSU and Oklahoma have their flaws, but they received these chinks in their armor by actually fighting battles, not by slaughtering the hapless. Again, my opinion. I can see arguments both ways, I feel like the majority don't feel it's right to reward someone for a great heap of meaningless victories.

I wouldn't have a problem putting UCF in if we had a 8 team format. But I just have a really hard time finding definitive proof that they are among the top 4 teams in the country (my opinion), which is the CFP committee's job, as flawed as it may seem.

You mean like Bama and Georgia and LSU and Ohio State and Clemson and...... They all feast on the hapless! All of their schedules are pretty damn weak overall.

Last year, I can see the case. Then they handled Auburn. Two years undefeated and no Purdue level let down, no struggle against Ball State/Vandy/Pitt. Over 30 points every single game this year. Winning is hard - give them a shot.

All the above mentioned teams are riding on gravitas and really haven't proven squat either. Split the 128 FBS schools in half and swap out the best and worst dozen each year. All you are doing is further entitling the P5 conferences by not even considering UCF. Who really wants to see two SEC teams who JUST played each other on a neutral field when there is an undefeated waiting in the wings?

And don't use the "QB got hurt so can't let them in now" as your excuse when you weren't considering them anyway. Just admit this is a money play and pick your top grossing teams already.

(Not arguing with Bloke - arguing with the narrative out there)

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Would any of you bet on UCF against Bama, Clemson, ND, UGA, OSU or OU? Would any of you even bet on them if given 14 points? Probably not. They wouldn't be favored against any of the top 8 teams, let alone top 4. They don't belong in the playoffs. Nice record, nice win streak, but it hasn't convinced anyone outside of their own fanbase that they're a top team.

There is a long term concern about closing the door on the G5. And frankly, the current structure of CFB gives no motivations for the real playoff hopefuls to match up with the top G5 programs voluntarily to allow them to prove it on the field.

I suspect this really will force the 8 team playoff at some point.

 

[Dizzyphil]

There is a long term concern about closing the door on the G5. And frankly, the current structure of CFB gives no motivations for the real playoff hopefuls to match up with the top G5 programs voluntarily.

I suspect this really will force the 8 team playoff at some point.

The AAC is pushing already too... they do not recognize the P5 statement. They call it the P6 (including the AAC).



Watching the Memphis / Houston game last Friday, when the conference commercials came on, each one stated how powerful the ACC was 'Being a part of the P6'.....


Watch the Memphis / UCF game and you will see the commercial if you haven't yet.

 

[irish4ever]

I can't wait until NW beats OSU and Urban retires.

Then just MAYBE the meatchickens can beat O$U?!? That would be about their only chance! Muck fichigan!

 

[RDU Irish]

Would any of you bet on UCF against Bama, Clemson, ND, UGA, OSU or OU? Would any of you even bet on them if given 14 points? Probably not. They wouldn't be favored against any of the top 8 teams, let alone top 4. They don't belong in the playoffs. Nice record, nice win streak, but it hasn't convinced anyone outside of their own fanbase that they're a top team.

I'll take UCF +14 in their bowl game which will probably be against OSU/Oklahoma/UGA/LSU or some other pumped up piece of trash like Auburn was last year.

Why wouldn't they keep up with Oklahoma? They have proven they can score and their backup kept their +30 point streak going. Why couldn't they play with OSU? B/c they don't have the 5 star recruits and big boy conference wins over Indiana or Illinois or Arkansas or some other piece of P5 trash that can't even make a bowl game?

It isn't a question of keeping up with Bama - nobody is expected to do that. Clemson is in a similar boat. The question is who gets #4, the glory of being slaughtered by Alabama in Rd1. UGA gets their shot in the SEC championship which (IMO) should be an elimination game given their otherwise unimpressive resumes. Clemson should not be in over UCF if they don't win their conference championship given their pure trash schedule and unremarkable opponent who UCF absolutely destroyed. ND is in.

At #4 you have horribly flawed OSU and Oklahoma teams who have lost a game - UCF deserves a shot over them both. Beating Auburn this year is a better win than either of them can claim and both of their losses are worse b/c well, they exist. Milton down reduces UCF's odds dramatically but does that mean the team does not deserve a shot? The only three teams fully deserving a spot are 1) SEC champ, 2) Clemson if they win, 3) ND - after every, single team is relying on the generosity of others and did not fully EARN their spot - they will have been given a spot.

JUST LIKE BAMA LAST YEAR - still don't think they deserved to get in as the #3 team in the SEC. They were gifted a spot and took advantage of it. Won't be at all surprised if they lay an egg to get two SEC teams in again - can't win it if you aren't in it. Yes I would put in UGA over OSU and Oklahoma if we are playing the SoS game - I just think conferences should be treated like an automatic filtering system.

 

[Irish#1]

Notre Dame’s light 2018 schedule would’ve been awesome in 1995

First few paragraphs:

I'm not sure who wrote this.............." There used to be an annual date with Michigan, which returned to the schedule in 2018. Assorted Big Ten teams like Michigan State, Northwestern, and Purdue also appear on the schedule depending on the year."

They need to check history. ND played Purdue and MSU annually long before scUM was back on the schedule.

 

[Rocket 94]

UCF has played two P5 teams...OSU has played (11). Go home UCF!

Alabama and Georgia have each played 3 FCS teams and only 9 FBS teams. Notre Dame played 12 FBS teams. Why would anyone have an argument about ND needing a 13th game to prove anything? Good god.

That 13th data point crap is so old. Nobody gets to use that argument when they are playing 2 to 3 FCS teams a year.

 

[GowerND11]

Alabama and Georgia have each played 3 FCS teams and only 9 FBS teams. Notre Dame played 12 FBS teams. Why would anyone have an argument about ND needing a 13th game to prove anything? Good god.

That 13th data point crap is so old. Nobody gets to use that argument when they are playing 2 to 3 FCS teams a year.

Que?

Bama and Georgia played 9 P5 teams, 2 non-P5 FBS, and an FCS.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I think it is likely that if Georgia beats Alabama the SEC will get two one-loss teams into the playoff. Their OOC schedules are:

Austin Peay
Middle Tennessee
UMass
Georgia Tech

Louisville
Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
The Citadel

There is no incentive for SEC teams to play tough OOC games besides money. So they don't. If you're in the PAC you probably don't have that luxury right now. With an 8 team playoff the Washington State OOC slate becomes more rewarding.

The SEC has hoodwinked college football into thinking their OOC schedule does not matter. This is truly pathetic when you actually write them down in succession.

 

[ACamp1900]

The SEC has hoodwinked college football into thinking their OOC schedule does not matter. This is truly pathetic when you actually write them down in succession.

and yet they all benefit in terms of win/loss because of it, conference wide, and it's pumps up the entire conference's SOS... it's just... I can't...

 

[ickythump1225]

Would any of you bet on UCF against Bama, Clemson, ND, UGA, OSU or OU? Would any of you even bet on them if given 14 points? Probably not. They wouldn't be favored against any of the top 8 teams, let alone top 4. They don't belong in the playoffs. Nice record, nice win streak, but it hasn't convinced anyone outside of their own fanbase that they're a top team.

I was shocked that I just read on here UCF only played 2 P5 schools, but I guess that makes sense. Yeah UCF is a nice story and a nice win streak but they don't play anyone and their 24 game win streak is largely built on beating up on crappy teams with a nice win against Auburn sprinkled in.

 

[ND88]

I was shocked that I just read on here UCF only played 2 P5 schools, but I guess that makes sense. Yeah UCF is a nice story and a nice win streak but they don't play anyone and their 24 game win streak is largely built on beating up on crappy teams with a nice win against Auburn sprinkled in.

I’d be interested to know if their more logical fans acknowledge the reality of their schedule. Also, can they leave their current conference and make a bid to join a more established one?

 

[Irish YJ]

I’d be interested to know if their more logical fans acknowledge the reality of their schedule. Also, can they leave their current conference and make a bid to join a more established one?

I'd love to see UCF join a bigger conference, but the SEC and ACC both have the biggest divs/confs already at 7/14 and more or less full. The only place they might "fit" in is the Big12, which actually needs to expand from 10 to catch up with anyone else. UCF, Temple, USF, Memphis, Houston, Cinci, and SMU all could make a case for jumping up. If I were the Big12(10), I'd add UCF, USF, Houston, and one of the rest (Temple/Memphis/Cinci, SMU, or even Boise St) and be sized at 7/14 like the others. The PAC could stand to pick up two as well.

AAC IMO has some very competitive teams. Their reg and bowl seasons have had a ton of success vs P5. It's not just the UCF/Auburn conversation. They are not the SEC, but they are a clear step above the other Div1 non-P5 conferences (Sunbelt, BigWest, CUSA, MAC, and MWC). And let's not forget, we play an AAC team every year, have been beaten by them (Navy) more than a couple times, and even (Tulsa).

 

[Irish YJ]

So its

Bama
Clemson
ND
UGA
OK
OSU
scUM
UCF

-Gonna come down to a beauty contest this week when OK and OSU both try to get style point. I'd love to see them both lose... but fear that would open up things for UGA to be the only 2 loss team (assuming they lose a close one to Bama) in.

-I think UCF suffered from losing their QB, but can jump scUM if they boat race Memphis in the CC with their backup (who is pretty capable).

 

[IrishSteelhead]

So if everything holds serve this weekend, OU and OSU have a higher chance of getting in than ND? SMH.....anything lower than 3 is unacceptable.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk