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I'm good with Bama and Clemson winning out and staying 1-2, assuming we win out and stay at 3. I don't want Bama/Satan getting weeks to prep for ND.... Rather they prep for someone else, and you know Satan will likely assume Clemson will beat us, and begin early prep for them...

If our OL can get it together, I love our chances vs Clemson. And after that, I'd think we'd do decent vs Bama. Not enough to win, but keep it respectable with 14-21 pts loss... lol. To win vs Bama, I think any team will have to throw a ton, and get into a shootout.

I think ND could have success against that Clemson defense using the height at the skill positions to offset a really good Clemson DL. And the Irish DL can get some pressure on Lawrence and maybe steal a possession or two with a turnover or quick three and outs. Then it becomes a dog fight till the end of the game.
 

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I think ND could have success against that Clemson defense using the height at the skill positions to offset a really good Clemson DL. And the Irish DL can get some pressure on Lawrence and maybe steal a possession or two with a turnover or two. Then it becomes a dog fight till the end of the game.

My only big concern vs Clemson on O is their running game. We'll do just fine vs their passing game. I think we'd have to sell out a bit to the run, and expect Pride and Love to basically stay on islands most of the game.

DL scares the hell out of me if our OL can't get it together.
 

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Away game at a ranked SEC opponent and a Syracuse team that will probably beat us on a frozen baseball field - not exactly the most embarrassing wins, IMO.

Beat NCST 41-7
Beat Wake Forest 63-3
Beat Ga Tech 49-21

See how easy it is to look past those close wins (over P5 teams) when you have absolutely smashed more P5 teams? Pad some stats in 38-7 and 48-7 wins over Furman and Ga Southern - and you have scheduled yourself in to the catbird seat for the playoffs. When you are have earned respect as a contender - you don't have to beat yourself up in the regular season. If we can win a playoff game we would be wise to take note.

Errr, hate to be the one to remind you, but only one of ND and Syracuse even plays outside...and it ain't Syracuse. If anyone is going to have a "weather advantage", it ain't gonna be Cuse.
 

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Errr, hate to be the one to remind you, but only one of ND and Syracuse even plays outside...and it ain't Syracuse. If anyone is going to have a "weather advantage", it ain't gonna be Cuse.

I think that’s the one thing BK insisted on since Swarbrick insisted on making this a neutral site game. Playing outside on natural surface probably doesn’t help either team but I think it slows down the SU offense more than anything.
 

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I love the narrative the media had regarding LSU last night...”LSU as beaten four ranked opponents”. We ND fans were told that ranking at time of the win doesn’t count. When today’s polls were released, I didn’t see Miami, Auburn nor MSU ranked. That leaves them w/ a win over one ranked team (UGA) & one loss vs a ranked team (overrated UF).

ND still has wins over two ranked teams.
 

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I love the narrative the media had regarding LSU last night...”LSU as beaten four ranked opponents”. We ND fans were told that ranking at time of the win doesn’t count. When today’s polls were released, I didn’t see Miami, Auburn nor MSU ranked. That leaves them w/ a win over one ranked team (UGA) & one loss vs a ranked team (overrated UF).

ND still has wins over two ranked teams.

I love ND, and hate to make excuses for LSU or any SEC team (or Miami).. but...

Miami is rated (25Coaches). And I'd say there's a pretty good chance they are ranked at the end of the regular season. Stanford will drop at least one, if not both of their next two games and likely drop from the poles. And if you had to bet on a Miami vs Stanford, who would you bet on. Or an LSU vs scUM? Or UGA vs scUM (comparing best wins). I know who I'd bet on, and it wouldn't be Stanford or scUM right now.

And I do agree FL is overrated. Great D, horrible O. That said, they still beat Vandy by more than we did, and they did it @Vandy.

It's all relative. Team A beats team B, team B beats team C, and team C beats team A... It can be circular. But I know where my money would go if I had to bet.
 
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I love ND, and hate to make excuses for LSU or any SEC team (or Miami).. but...

Miami is rated (25Coaches). And I'd say there's a pretty good chance they are ranked at the end of the regular season. Stanford will drop at least one, if not both of their next two games and likely drop from the poles. And if you had to bet on a Miami vs Stanford, who would you bet on. Or an LSU vs scUM? Or UGA vs scUM (comparing best wins). I know who I'd bet on, and it wouldn't be Stanford or scUM right now.

And I do agree FL is overrated. Great D, horrible O. That said, they still beat Vandy by more than we did, and they did it @Vandy. And keep in mind, FL beat scUM last year in the bowl, and were not as good as they are this year.

It's all relative. Team A beats team B, team B beats team C, and team C beats team A... It can be circular. But I know where my money would go if I had to bet.

As you alluded to, the transitive property doesn’t apply to CFB. If it did, it would mean Liberty was better than LSU last year since Liberty beat Troy & Troy beat LSU.

Don’t give UF too much credit for the win at Vandy. They trailed for most of the game & my money is on a tight finish if the Vandy RB doesn’t leave game w/ injury. As much as ND’s offense lacked production vs. Vandy, they never trailed b/c the defense did its job.

How is LSU any different today than the teams Les Miles had his last couple of seasons (post-Mettenberger)? The answer is very little but b/c they’re winning, the fans love it. That QB ain’t putting more than 40 pts on any defense and he’ll need to to be a CFP contender. As much as it pains me to say it, I’d take scUM over both LSU & UGA on a neutral field as it stands today.

LSU & scUM have elite Ds...I give scUM the slight edge but a bigger edge on offense. Meatchicken’s D > Georgia’s D. UGA hasn’t been able to replace the production they got from their front 7 last season. Secondary is elite...front seven is solid.

Miami is hot garbage on offense. They have no identity regardless of which QB is out there. Their defense is good enough to keep them ranked but I think the O brings them down.

Just b/c Bama is in the SEC doesn’t mean the coattails riding rest of the conference is elite. They’re solid & the SEC may be the best overall conference (which doesn’t say much as every conference seems to be down this season) but I’m not blindly assuming UGA & LSU are better than scUM right now. To be fair, the anomaly is that Don Brown defense which, as we all know, travels. That LSU offesne would get smothered on a neutral field.
 

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I'm still reserving judgment on LSU and UGA. I don't think LSU has enough firepower on offense to be a playoff team or keep up with Bama in two weeks, but they are on a roll and confidence will take you a certain distance. We'll know a lot more about whether they're legit in two weeks.

I don't think UGA is what they were last year, but they may still be a top team who needed a wakeup call... or they may just be a mediocre shadow of last year's team. Nobody knows.

I'm sure not convinced about UM. I just don't trust Khaki Pants to instill mental toughness in them. I'm inclined to believe they've improved since the opener against ND, but I don't see them being a legit playoff team. I think that when they get punched, they'll fold.
 

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I'm sure not convinced about UM. I just don't trust Khaki Pants to instill mental toughness in them. I'm inclined to believe they've improved since the opener against ND, but I don't see them being a legit playoff team. I think that when they get punched, they'll fold.

But...they cut out chicken from their diet!
 

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The one hope for beating Alabama is that now they are pass happy could what happened to OSU happen to them? Have they played a really good secondary yet? What if TT throws some early intercepts or incompletions can they just revert back to running at will. Probably, but who knows for certain.
 

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As you alluded to, the transitive property doesn’t apply to CFB. If it did, it would mean Liberty was better than LSU last year since Liberty beat Troy & Troy beat LSU.

I would not call my example transitive property. TP is a property of equality, and inequality. I'm not saying those teams are equal, or equally unequal. What I'm saying is that A>B>C>A can happen, and does often times. Last year, Auburn beat Bama, Bama beat LSU, LSU beat Auburn. Happens all the time.

Don’t give UF too much credit for the win at Vandy. They trailed for most of the game & my money is on a tight finish if the Vandy RB doesn’t leave game w/ injury. As much as ND’s offense lacked production vs. Vandy, they never trailed b/c the defense did its job.

I tend to give home field advantage +7 to 10, or road teams -7 to -10. Injury or not (FL has them too), Vandy lost at home (with what I consider a +7ish) by more to UF than us. FL's D took over in the 2H, and FL's O was as good in the 2Q and better than Vandy's D in all but the 2H. Honestly with FL's typical suck O, I give them a lot of credit minus the 1Q.

How is LSU any different today than the teams Les Miles had his last couple of seasons (post-Mettenberger)? The answer is very little but b/c they’re winning, the fans love it. That QB ain’t putting more than 40 pts on any defense and he’ll need to to be a CFP contender. As much as it pains me to say it, I’d take scUM over both LSU & UGA on a neutral field as it stands today.

LSU is very different IMO.. They still have good D, but their passing O has improved dramatically over the past two years. Take a look their stats, and you will see a very different story.

LSU & scUM have elite Ds...I give scUM the slight edge but a bigger edge on offense. Meatchicken’s D > Georgia’s D. UGA hasn’t been able to replace the production they got from their front 7 last season. Secondary is elite...front seven is solid.

I'd argue that scUM D is a bit overrated on D. They certainly haven't played a team with a truly good O yet that's balanced. We didn't have a good balanced O when we played them, Wiscy is not the same Wiscy (run, no pass). I'd also argue that LSU's SoS is much tougher thus far than scUM. Ole Miss, as crappy as they are, are a top 10 O. LSU limited them to 16.

In terms of UGA. UGA's O is far better than scUM. Doesn't show in the stats (they are about equal), but UGA has done the same going up against better Ds. Slight edge, to scUM on D. I'd take UGA for money on a neutral site any day over scUM right now. Unless it's played in the snow... In terms of ypg, UGA is 27th vs scUM at 55.

Miami is hot garbage on offense. They have no identity regardless of which QB is out there. Their defense is good enough to keep them ranked but I think the O brings them down.

O definitely brings them way down. They are #2 nationally ypg on D, second to only what I consider and overrated scUM D. I wouldn't bet that game period, but I'd bet the odds would be 3pts or less one way of the other vs scUM.

Just b/c Bama is in the SEC doesn’t mean the coattails riding rest of the conference is elite. They’re solid & the SEC may be the best overall conference (which doesn’t say much as every conference seems to be down this season) but I’m not blindly assuming UGA & LSU are better than scUM right now. To be fair, the anomaly is that Don Brown defense which, as we all know, travels. That LSU offesne would get smothered on a neutral field.

Best indicator for conference strength to me is bowl wins. I'd bet if you look back ten years, the SEC has more bowl wins (or tied for most) per year in 80% or more. Take out the Bama wins, and I bet you they still have the most bowl wins.

LSU offense is different. Take a look at the stats since Les left.
 

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I would not call my example transitive property. TP is a property of equality, and inequality. I'm not saying those teams are equal, or equally unequal. What I'm saying is that A>B>C>A can happen, and does often times. Last year, Auburn beat Bama, Bama beat LSU, LSU beat Auburn. Happens all the time.



I tend to give home field advantage +7 to 10, or road teams -7 to -10. Injury or not (FL has them too), Vandy lost at home (with what I consider a +7ish) by more to UF than us. FL's D took over in the 2H, and FL's O was as good in the 2Q and better than Vandy's D in all but the 2H. Honestly with FL's typical suck O, I give them a lot of credit minus the 1Q.



LSU is very different IMO.. They still have good D, but their passing O has improved dramatically over the past two years. Take a look their stats, and you will see a very different story.



I'd argue that scUM D is a bit overrated on D. They certainly haven't played a team with a truly good O yet that's balanced. We didn't have a good balanced O when we played them, Wiscy is not the same Wiscy (run, no pass). I'd also argue that LSU's SoS is much tougher thus far than scUM. Ole Miss, as crappy as they are, are a top 10 O. LSU limited them to 16.

In terms of UGA. UGA's O is far better than scUM. Doesn't show in the stats (they are about equal), but UGA has done the same going up against better Ds. Slight edge, to scUM on D. I'd take UGA for money on a neutral site any day over scUM right now. Unless it's played in the snow... In terms of ypg, UGA is 27th vs scUM at 55.



O definitely brings them way down. They are #2 nationally ypg on D, second to only what I consider and overrated scUM D. I wouldn't bet that game period, but I'd bet the odds would be 3pts or less one way of the other vs scUM.



Best indicator for conference strength to me is bowl wins. I'd bet if you look back ten years, the SEC has more bowl wins (or tied for most) per year in 80% or more. Take out the Bama wins, and I bet you they still have the most bowl wins.

LSU offense is different. Take a look at the stats since Les left.


Guess we’ll have to see how it plays out.

I’ll always maintain that Saban & Meyer were responsible for the SEC dominance in the BCS era.

Saban revitalized LSU into a national power post-DiNardo. Miles maintained...at best. He squandered at least one NC in 2006 and backed into one in 2007. And then he was fired, never to be re-hired.

Meanwhile Meyer took underachieving UF and led them to two NCs before “health” issues led to his exit. UF has been an underachieving mess since.

Saban comes to Bama and becomes argubly the greatest of all time.

That’s it...two guys. Sure you had the outlier in 2010 that could be attributed more to Cam Newton beging kicked out of UF and landing at Auburn than anything Gene Chizik did as HC on the Plains. And then he fired, never to be re-hired as HC.

To me, the rest of the SEC was mental masturbation for the pundits & fanatics to cuss & discuss.
 

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The one hope for beating Alabama is that now they are pass happy could what happened to OSU happen to them? Have they played a really good secondary yet? What if TT throws some early intercepts or incompletions can they just revert back to running at will. Probably, but who knows for certain.

Laugh if you want and maybe I'm just being a nervous fan seeing all the things that could go wrong, but I don't think Bama's close to being as invincible as everyone else seems to believe. I think we're probably the best team in CFB right now, but that doesn't mean I think we're so far beyond everyone else that we're unlikely to lose a game this year. Our running game is OK, but not what it usually is and I don't know if we can just line up and run it down everyone's throat if needed. Our D is definitely not as dominant as in the past. We can be scored on. A good team that gets rolling and gains confidence, a la Purdue against OSU yesterday, scares me. We probably have the best qb and receiving corps in the country, but beyond that, we're not all that special, and we're a bit vulnerable.
 

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Laugh if you want and maybe I'm just being a nervous fan seeing all the things that could go wrong, but I don't think Bama's close to being as invincible as everyone else seems to believe. I think we're probably the best team in CFB right now, but that doesn't mean I think we're so far beyond everyone else that we're unlikely to lose a game this year. Our running game is OK, but not what it usually is and I don't know if we can just line up and run it down everyone's throat if needed. Our D is definitely not as dominant as in the past. We can be scored on. A good team that gets rolling and gains confidence, a la Purdue against OSU yesterday, scares me. We probably have the best qb and receiving corps in the country, but beyond that, we're not all that special, and we're a bit vulnerable.

I was reading this thinking you were a ND fan who may have drunk a little too much until the last sentence when I realised you are a Bama fan. Haha.
 

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I was reading this thinking you were a ND fan who may have drunk a little too much until the last sentence when I realised you are a Bama fan. Haha.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm nervous before every game. I sure don't think we're invincible.
 

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I hope I'm wrong, but I'm nervous before every game. I sure don't think we're invincible.

You poor guy, it has been a long time between drinks for the Tide...

Seriously though if they win again this season does Saban retire? Is he too old to go NFL?What else does he have to keep coaching college level for?
 

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We’re sitting at #3 in the AP so no complaints from me.
 

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Guess we’ll have to see how it plays out.

I’ll always maintain that Saban & Meyer were responsible for the SEC dominance in the BCS era.

Saban revitalized LSU into a national power post-DiNardo. Miles maintained...at best. He squandered at least one NC in 2006 and backed into one in 2007. And then he was fired, never to be re-hired.

Meanwhile Meyer took underachieving UF and led them to two NCs before “health” issues led to his exit. UF has been an underachieving mess since.

Saban comes to Bama and becomes argubly the greatest of all time.

That’s it...two guys. Sure you had the outlier in 2010 that could be attributed more to Cam Newton beging kicked out of UF and landing at Auburn than anything Gene Chizik did as HC on the Plains. And then he fired, never to be re-hired as HC.

To me, the rest of the SEC was mental masturbation for the pundits & fanatics to cuss & discuss.

I do think the SEC benefits from Bama. But I also think it benefits from a lot of other things (region especially). Take away Bama, and I think the SEC would continue to be the best conference because of those other things. It would be much, much closer though if Bama was not there.

The other conferences IMO have dropped off. PAC is bad. Big10 looks mediocre this year. ACC without Clemson (IMO overrated too), is not very good. Big12 IMO is better than last year despite OK going down. Without Bama, things would be a whole lot more interesting.
 

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And keep in mind, FL beat scUM last year in the bowl, and were not as good as they are this year.



Except they didnt. Michigan played Florida each of the last two seasons, beat 7 shades of sh-t out of them both times, and is 4-0 all time against them.


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Except they didnt. Michigan played Florida each of the last two seasons, beat 7 shades of sh-t out of them both times, and is 4-0 all time against them.


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You're right, sorry my bad. confused FL with SC in that bowl. FL played them 1st game of the season.
 

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You poor guy, it has been a long time between drinks for the Tide...

Seriously though if they win again this season does Saban retire? Is he too old to go NFL?What else does he have to keep coaching college level for?

No, I don't think there's much chance he retires. He & Miss Terry didn't like the NFL and I don't see any chance he returns there. Honestly, he just seems to enjoy what he's doing now. It's not about climbing another hill or proving anything. He's often said that it's a lot easier to climb to the top than to stay there. I think that's his challenge, what keeps him going: seeing how long he can stay focused and keep his team focused. A couple of years ago I thought he'd retire within another couple of years, but I don't now. He's made it clear that this is what he enjoys and that he's going to keep doing it as long as he's good at it. I don't think he looks forward to retiring to the lake. I think he's trying to avoid that as long as possible.
 

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ESPN has us with the #1 Strength of Record. Have no idea what that means or how they calculate it. They say that an average top 25 team only has an 8% chance to go 7-0 like us. I assume that’s the case because of how Michigan is playing.
 

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3. Notre Dame (7-0)


Week 8 result: Open week
What's next: at Navy (8 p.m. Saturday, CBS)

It's way too early for talk of the playoff and waking up the echoes, especially now that opponents have four games of film on junior quarterback Ian Book. In fact, don't be surprised if the Fighting Irish's next few games look a lot like their last-minute escape over Pittsburgh last week. Navy and Northwestern have traditionally played them tough, and Florida State has made steady improvement in recent weeks. But as the Irish showed in going to the wire with the Panthers, Book can rescue them in games when they're not at their best. That hasn't been true for Notre Dame in quite a while.
 

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Doesn't Purdue now have the CFB belt?

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I do think the SEC is the best conference, but the above is more proof of circular ranking back-patting.

And just think if the SEC actually left a few chumps off their schedule.
 

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I do think the SEC benefits from Bama. But I also think it benefits from a lot of other things (region especially). Take away Bama, and I think the SEC would continue to be the best conference because of those other things. It would be much, much closer though if Bama was not there.

The other conferences IMO have dropped off. PAC is bad. Big10 looks mediocre this year. ACC without Clemson (IMO overrated too), is not very good. Big12 IMO is better than last year despite OK going down. Without Bama, things would be a whole lot more interesting.

It’s all about the head coach regardless of program

Paul Hackett led to Pete Carroll
John Makovic led to Mack Brown
John Blake led to Bob Stoops
Galen Hall led to Steve Spurrier
Ron Zook led to Urban Meyer
Gerry DiNardo led to Nick Saban
Mike Dubose, Mike Price, Dennis Franchione & Mike Shula led to Nick Saban
Gerry Faust led to Lou Holtz

It’s all about the head coach.
 

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and what about FBS App State cracking the top 25 for the first time ever.... they'd be undefeated if not for a 10pt road loss to PennSt
 
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