2017 NFL Draft

[zelezo vlk]

Wut? That's ridiculous. The guy is the best TE in college football, All American and Mackey award recipient.

I just never thought of him as a Greg Olsen, Tyler Eifert level of player. I should study more of his tape from this year, but that was what I've seen so far.

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[ND Fan Vancouver]

Anyone have a guess who the Raiders will take in the first round? I'm guessing the vest OT available. Play him at RT for a few years or their 3rd tackle spot as the very often bring in a 3rd tackle for their power formation. Plug him in at LT when Penn retires. If not I'd take the best MLB available. The Raiders have been using a committee of average at best guys there.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Anyone have a guess who the Raiders will take in the first round? I'm guessing the vest OT available. Play him at RT for a few years or their 3rd tackle spot as the very often bring in a 3rd tackle for their power formation. Plug him in at LT when Penn retires. If not I'd take the best MLB available. The Raiders have been using a committee of average at best guys there.

They'd probably go Mike then. This tackle class is really week.

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[dwshade]

I just never thought of him as a Greg Olsen, Tyler Eifert level of player. I should study more of his tape from this year, but that was what I've seen so far.

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I see Butt as a Zach Miller type. Solid pro for 8-10 years.

 

[woolybug25]

I just never thought of him as a Greg Olsen, Tyler Eifert level of player. I should study more of his tape from this year, but that was what I've seen so far.

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Yeah, watch his tape. That couldn't be further than the truth. Butt is a fantastic player. I hate that he played for Michigan, but he is undoubtedly a guy with all the skill set of a perennial all pro. We'll see how his injury effects him though, damn shame.

 

[Legacy]

Is Cleveland going to blow the number one pick?

 

[ACamp1900]

Is Cleveland going to blow the number one pick?

I mean, it really doesn't matter that much, it's looks like Garrett or Allen either way for the Browns, at worst one of the two goes first and Cleveland just takes the other.... I'm good with either... or better yet... SF takes, say, Garrett... Browns trade down a few spots to some team chasing a QB, take Allen at four or five and add picks anyway....


On that note most mocks have Cleveland taking one of those two and getting one of the top DBs with their second pick.... yes. Please.

All that said, Cleveland is going to lose today anyway....

 

[ACamp1900]

The one that really hurts is the Eagles beating Dallas.... damn.

 

[dang227]

The one that really hurts is the Eagles beating Dallas.... damn.

Yep. Pick could fall to 15.

 

[ACamp1900]

Yep. Pick could fall to 15.

I think the lowest it can go is 11...

 

[Armyirish47]

I think the lowest it can go is 11...

Top 20 draft order set!

2017 NFL draft order set for top 20 - NFL Nation- ESPN

Browns at 1 and 12.

 

[philipm31]

YOUR San Francisco 49ers!



Word.

Niners need to shore up the defense badly, especially against the run, so Allen would seem like a nice fit, but it all depends on the new GM and HC. Still, Allen would fit the Niners needs nicely.

 

[arrowryan]

TE is not a need for Steelers. Not with Green, James and Grimble on roster.

Its going to be a need if Green decides to retire due to head injuries. Jesse James has had a decent year but I think he needs to be better. And Grimble just hasn't played much this year.

There are 6 TEs that I really like: Howard, Njoku, Butt, Hodges, Engram, and Leggitt. It is a pretty deep class so I think there is a decent chance that Pittsburgh can hit on one of those tight ends.

 

[arrowryan]

I mean, it really doesn't matter that much, it's looks like Garrett or Allen either way for the Browns, at worst one of the two goes first and Cleveland just takes the other.... I'm good with either... or better yet... SF takes, say, Garrett... Browns trade down a few spots to some team chasing a QB, take Allen at four or five and add picks anyway....


On that note most mocks have Cleveland taking one of those two and getting one of the top DBs with their second pick.... yes. Please.

All that said, Cleveland is going to lose today anyway....

I know I'm beating a dead horse but you guys need help at QB and o-line in the worst way. You guys are probably kicking yourselves after passing up on Wentz by trading down. I think Trubisky could be a pretty solid pro.

But on a brighter note, congrats on Danny Shelton. You have a real player with that guy. Putting Garrett or Allen next to him wouldn't be a bad idea.

And sorry for the heart breaker yesterday

 

[philipm31]

I know I'm beating a dead horse but you guys need help at QB and o-line in the worst way. You guys are probably kicking yourselves after passing up on Wentz by trading down. I think Trubisky could be a pretty solid pro.

But on a brighter note, congrats on Danny Shelton. You have a real player with that guy. Putting Garrett or Allen next to him wouldn't be a bad idea.

And sorry for the heart breaker yesterday

Yeah, I was just thinking that you need to shore up the defense first, seeing as how the most major holes were there. Get the defense right and you can get onto the rest.

QB is also a major concern, but I will wait to see who they get as their HC and GM first. That should be good insight on direction.

Too bad they have wasted most of their picks in the past. Cutting Kap and taking his salary would be a smart move too, just so we can use it to sign players, or go after some free agents.

Frankly SEA had nothing to play for after a certain point, but SEA should have just trounced SF and they did not, so I was not too worried about even being close to winning that game. I love the Niners but I was not heartbroken to lose that game. But thanks

 

[ACamp1900]

I know I'm beating a dead horse but you guys need help at QB and o-line in the worst way. You guys are probably kicking yourselves after passing up on Wentz by trading down. I think Trubisky could be a pretty solid pro.

But on a brighter note, congrats on Danny Shelton. You have a real player with that guy. Putting Garrett or Allen next to him wouldn't be a bad idea.

And sorry for the heart breaker yesterday

Statistically speaking the o line is about average, I saw a breakdown last week... the only minus player has been center.... and no, I'm not kicking myself over Wentz at all... the Browns have had two good drafts in a row imo, make it three and the turnaround is on.

 

[woolybug25]

Statistically speaking the o line is about average, I saw a breakdown last week... the only minus player has been center.... and no, I'm not kicking myself over Wentz at all... a Browns have had two good drafts in a row imo, make it three and the turnaround is on.

So in this QB driven league, who do you think they will target as that QB either through the draft or FA? Because if the "turnaround" is gonna start after this draft, an answer is going to have to be found in one or the other.

 

[ACamp1900]

So in this QB driven league, who do you think they will target as that QB either through the draft or FA? Because if the "turnaround" is gonna start after this draft, an answer is going to have to be found in one or the other.

Idk man but I'm not broken hearted over Wentz.... Kess looked good for a rookie... but I'm still assuming they'll get a QB in this draft... we will see.

They need:

Pass rush
A completely rebuilt secondary ( this is their worst unit imo... so we are talking multiple players here).
QB
A center


I'll add: people forget they also desperately needed WRs and a rebuilt front seven at this time last year... they already addressed those, and prob fail at both if they draft Wentz.... It's a process, and I'm far more optimistic now than I have been at any other time since they came back into the league.

 

[arrowryan]

Idk man but I'm not broken hearted over Wentz.... Kess looked good for a rookie... but I'm still assuming they'll get a QB in this draft... we will see.

They need:

Pass rush
A completely rebuilt secondary ( this is their worst unit imo... so we are talking multiple players here).
QB
A center


I'll add: people forget they also desperately needed WRs and a rebuilt front seven at this time last year... they already addressed those, and prob fail at both if they draft Wentz.... It's a process, and I'm far more optimistic now than I have been at any other time since they came back into the league.

This is where I disagree. It is A LOT easier to find a good receiver than a good quarterback. Wentz had a really nice rookie year considering he didn't have much at wide receiver or running back.

As long as RG3 or Kessler is the quarterback, I can't see the Browns winning more than 6 games a season. Especially when the other quarterbacks in the AFC North are Big Ben, Flacco, and Dalton.

 

[ACamp1900]

This is where I disagree. It is A LOT easier to find a good receiver than a good quarterback. Wentz had a really nice rookie year considering he didn't have much at wide receiver or running back.

As long as RG3 or Kessler is the quarterback, I can't see the Browns winning more than 6 games a season. Especially when the other quarterbacks in the AFC North are Big Ben, Flacco, and Dalton.

Actually it's the Bengals, Steelers and Ravens.... i think you forgot the rest of the team..... Dalton and Flacco arent even all that, their teams are just much better.... I still don't like Wentz all that much and actually Kessler had a better statistical year on a worse team, just got hurt... you could put Aaron Rogers on this Browns squad and it wouldn't matter, they need SO much more... but whatever... "Fuck everything else!!! Quarterback rah!!!"

Let me put it this way: The Browns have been chasing QBs for over a decade now, all while ignoring other aspects of the team, and while there are multiple reasons they've fallen so hard, that's the single biggest reason... that's not how you win. Even if say, Quinn, would have hit, he was still on a bad team... now it seems they are dedicated to actually building a TEAM so... good, average, great, whoever is under center stands a chance... I'm all for that and I'm super happy they didn't chase either QB last year, both would have failed under those circumstances imo.

 

[GATTACA!]

This is where I disagree. It is A LOT easier to find a good receiver than a good quarterback. Wentz had a really nice rookie year considering he didn't have much at wide receiver or running back.

As long as RG3 or Kessler is the quarterback, I can't see the Browns winning more than 6 games a season. Especially when the other quarterbacks in the AFC North are Big Ben, Flacco, and Dalton.

No he really didn't. Outside of his first 4 games that all happened to be against 4 of the worse teams in the league (Cleveland, Chicago, Pittsburgh who started the year slow, and Detroit who is average at best), he was terrible. I saw a breakdown that showed his stats were on par with Manziels first year if you project Johnny playing the same number of games.

I think Watson and Kizer are both better than Wentz and Trubisky is a push.

 

[NorthDakota]

No he really didn't. Outside of his first 4 games that all happened to be against 4 of the worse teams in the league (Cleveland, Chicago, Pittsburgh who started the year slow, and Detroit who is average at best), he was terrible. I saw a breakdown that showed his stats were on par with Manziels first year if you project Johnny playing the same number of games.

I think Watson and Kizer are both better than Wentz and Trubisky is a push.

Wentz is okay at best. Will never be great. He'll have a lot of fans these first couple years because he's a very likable, down to earth dude. Really has that "Aw shucks, golly gee" thing going on.

Too many people forget when talking about him is his age relative to the guys he's being compared with. He's 24 years old. He's being compared to guys who are 20-22 years old. An extra 2-3 years of development is huge.

 

[Armyirish47]

Niners need to shore up the defense badly, especially against the run, so Allen would seem like a nice fit, but it all depends on the new GM and HC. Still, Allen would fit the Niners needs nicely.

I'm being a complete homer but I like a lot of the pieces on defense. I think a big part of the problem was hiring a nincompoop defensive coordinator, and everybody's favorite excuse..injuries! Allen would be great because he is a monster, but until we know the coach/GM/system answers I'll just assume we should trade back and stock pile picks. It always works for me on Madden.

 

[ACamp1900]

No he really didn't. Outside of his first 4 games that all happened to be against 4 of the worse teams in the league (Cleveland, Chicago, Pittsburgh who started the year slow, and Detroit who is average at best), he was terrible. I saw a breakdown that showed his stats were on par with Manziels first year if you project Johnny playing the same number of games.

I think Watson and Kizer are both better than Wentz and Trubisky is a push.

Listen to this guy, he's never wrong on these things.

Go. Browns.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'll take it further: a rookie season does not make a career and honestly who flipping knows how Kessler and Wentz end up.... no one. knows. Not us, not those who drafted them.... but... I've watched both numerous times this year and aside from that first game where Wentz destroyed our pitiful defense Kessler was the better QB... at least when I watched. No bias.

Honestly tho that gives me some pretty serious anxiety because he did well enough to maybe consider sticking with him... and that would be such a Browns thing to happen, some unheralded rookie plays his way into the staffs confidence, they pass on other QBs because of it and it turns out being a total mirage..... lol... please no.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Even Brandon Weeden didn't look like the big steaming pile of garbage that he is during his rookie year.

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[dang227]

Kessler has one of if not the weakest arms in the NFL. Kid can't throw it over 15 yards. No way he is anything other than a backup. My fear is they continue the RGIII experiment. He looked pretty bad.

 

[dwshade]

Its going to be a need if Green decides to retire due to head injuries. Jesse James has had a decent year but I think he needs to be better. And Grimble just hasn't played much this year.

There are 6 TEs that I really like: Howard, Njoku, Butt, Hodges, Engram, and Leggitt. It is a pretty deep class so I think there is a decent chance that Pittsburgh can hit on one of those tight ends.

You are playing message board doctor when it comes to Green. Until he decides to retire I'll stay in the real world and expect him back next year. Therefore TE is not a need.

 

[GATTACA!]

Listen to this guy, he's never wrong on these things.

Go. Browns.

 

[NDPhilly]

Wentz is okay at best. Will never be great. He'll have a lot of fans these first couple years because he's a very likable, down to earth dude. Really has that "Aw shucks, golly gee" thing going on.

Too many people forget when talking about him is his age relative to the guys he's being compared with. He's 24 years old. He's being compared to guys who are 20-22 years old. An extra 2-3 years of development is huge.

Show me another QB who can do that