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To slow man for the scoop man =)
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Are you talking about the Nelson kid from UD Jesuit?
irishff1014
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Yea
TheTurningPoint
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I feel like Scout kind of overplayed the visit. Rison was at ND with about 10-15 teammates as well. They stopped for a quick tour and dinner in town on the way to Indy.
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Are you seriously worried about DT recruiting with almost 1 year until NSD?
GB, you following recruiting quite a bit, which is why I get surprised when you have these emotional reactions this early in a cycle.
Yes, I remember you and I going at it last cycle in a good discussion about OSU class and the slow start we were off too. Off to a faster start this year but it still baffles me when it comes to recruiting defensive lineman.
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Agree it has been piss poor!
Yes, and I am excited for Kareem, Okwara and Beal but OSU brings in a Robert Beal every class. Not every four classes
That's all, I am done complaining tonight. Everyone knows where I stand on this and I won't beat the dead horse anymore
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What did you want ND to do last year on defensive line recruiting that they didnt do?
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Well, that's obvious TP. Sign Rashan Gary, Nick Bosa, and Terrell Hall because OSU, UM, and Bama did.
I am just saying they bring in some of those guys every class, ND doesn't on the defensive line. That's why year in and year out those top teams are playing for national titles. I know ND can get there but defensive line recruiting has to improve. I'm not sure how anyone can arugue that or think differently.
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So bring in "some" of those guys every class.
Nick Bosa: No school in the country had a shot other than OSU, but magically ND was supposed to get him?
Rashan Gary: ND recruited him hard and never got a visit. He never had interest in going to Notre Dame, esp after Michigan locked up the entire state of New Jersey. I am just not sure how to expect to land a kid that never even had a remote interest in ND.
Terrell Hall: ND recruited Hall, probably not as hard as Gary, but there was clearly no interest back. ND got Hall's teammate Aaron Hansford to visit and want to come to ND, but couldn't even get Hall on campus. I am not sure what ND is supp to do when the kids teammate visits and he shows no interest back.
Auston Robertson: ND dropped him. Should they have given him a second chance? Then they would have looked stupid the closer and closer it got to NSD.
Josh King: I think it speaks volumes if a four-star DE from Chicago that has one of his best friends on the team in Robby Regan and ND doesn't even recruit him.
Tomon Fox: ND got him to visit and he hated it. Not sure you can change a kids mind after a visit.
Wole Betiku: Loved ND, but you have to have course work down to be admitted to ND. Should ND relax its standards even more for student-athletes?
Xavier Kelly: Got him on campus and he loved it. Just looking for something different. I am not sure where ND could have improved themselves here.
Justin Madubuike: Never made it to campus. This might be the one you can point to where ND didn't come through in securing a visit, but he never visited outside of the state of Texas.
Notre Dame landed 3 four-star DE's. I think that's pretty solid personally.
Tp you are exactly right but I'm just saying ND needs to start landing some elite Dlinemen. Was happy with the class we brought in this year but it needs to be consistently like that and get a few game changers like Beal once in a while
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There are 120 Div. I programs that would trade place with ND's 2016 haul of Kareem, Okwara & Hayes... then throw in Ogundeji for a project and Jones as a potential / maybe probable crossover too.
That being said, they DO need to land a guy who plays at a 5 star level once on campus every 2-3 years.
That being said, they DO need to land a guy who plays at a 5 star level once on campus every 2-3 years.
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I agree with you 100% and that was what I was trying to say in the first place.
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So, the description above, isn't even be remotely close to piss poor. I'm not trying to be too hard on you GB but you previously quoted a post that said DL recruiting has been piss poor, by saying "Yes", which couldn't be further from the truth.
However, this post, is much more rational. No need for us to be getting worked up and creating an environment, like at rivals and 247. Those boards become unbearable at times because of how many irrational posts there are.
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Piss Poor, no. Can be better, absolutely. I am really interested, however, in what Coach Gilmore can do with all this young, raw talent.
After J Jones, it's moving Rochelle inside then who?
DE isn't exactly loaded with returning "provens" either. Trumbetti has shown glimpses and will get a ton of reps. Rochelle is going to be moving inside/outside throughout.
A lot of guys are going to have to step up this year. Huge strides needed from the DL group. Go coach 'em up Gilmore!
After J Jones, it's moving Rochelle inside then who?
DE isn't exactly loaded with returning "provens" either. Trumbetti has shown glimpses and will get a ton of reps. Rochelle is going to be moving inside/outside throughout.
A lot of guys are going to have to step up this year. Huge strides needed from the DL group. Go coach 'em up Gilmore!
You're right my choice of piss poor was wrong and wasn't needed. What you stated about this board compared to rivals and 247 is 150% correct. I would love to see it improved and it seems to be with this years class and Beal off to a great start. We need impact players and the depth to improve and so far it is. My post last year was before Hayes, Kareem and Owkara committed. Yes, at the time I was extremely dissapointed with it after bringing in Tiassum, Mokuwah and Treadway. But I believe Treadway will be a player.
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sorry but I am talking about on the field production, not star ratings.
Also I am talking about interior DL.
Day was phenomenal and that's about it...Not awful but we need production inside. We need to clog up the middle and stop the run and protect or MLB.
I think Cage could be really good but Tillary ahh we will see I guess.
I also realize we switched from a 3-4, but in that scheme we should have had more than one nose
We haven't seen anyone else play and it is a major concern going fwd imho
Also I am talking about interior DL.
Day was phenomenal and that's about it...Not awful but we need production inside. We need to clog up the middle and stop the run and protect or MLB.
I think Cage could be really good but Tillary ahh we will see I guess.
I also realize we switched from a 3-4, but in that scheme we should have had more than one nose
We haven't seen anyone else play and it is a major concern going fwd imho
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So what is it? First you quoted a post that was talking about recruiting DL and you said that it was piss poor. Now you start this post saying its current production. Then you end the post with it being about what you perceive to be a weakness going forward.
Those 3 topics are completely different things and don't have to be correlated at all. At this point you're just all over the place and it looks like you're just making stuff up.
Sorry but nothing has been piss poor regarding our DL, that was just downright silly to even try and defend that stance. Not one player or as a group has been piss poor. Dude, you're just struggling here.
Day - phenomenal, best DT performance ND has had in a long time.
Jones- Injured
Cage- Solid
Tillery- Freshman with glimpses of huge potential mixed in with freshman wall
Rochell- As solid inside as it comes.
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Of the 5 that you mentioned
1. Day is gone and we got no proven replacement.
2.Jones is great when healthy
3.Cage Solid but like jones has been injured but forced to play FR and soph yr due to piss poor recruiting.
4. Tillerysame as Cage..had to play due to piss poor recruiting at this position
5. Rochell is a SDE and has no known replacement -another FR forced to play i assume
I am not saying we are in awful shape, but it is bad (maybe not piss poor) relying on underclassmen to anchor the interior of our defense.
We don't need 5 WR classes. We need classes loaded with front 7 on the D imho
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Dude, you're all over the place on this and its not worth the time at this point. Nothing has been piss poor and you're are struggling to put together consistent and coherent posts. At this point, you've changed the direction of this conversation multiple times so you can continue to rant.
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I think just about every program in the country minus Alabama, Florida State and Auburn feels that they need to recruit DL better.
It's just a position that is hard to recruit and project in the first place.
In Notre Dame's case, it's just typically a position a lot of the elite kids are eliminated right off the bat due to grades or simply no chance as they are typically from the South. It's just not good odds that a five-star DE from Florida is coming to Notre Dame.
You can recruit the hell out of kids, but when you simply don't have a chance it's hard to keep doing that year in and out. Notre Dame hasn't given up on elite lineman, as you can see they have locked Robert Beal Jr. down for the 2017 class, but he has ND connections and family in the area.
I get your point, but it's just a position that Notre Dame isn't going to really do well at regardless of how good they are or arent.
It's just a position that is hard to recruit and project in the first place.
In Notre Dame's case, it's just typically a position a lot of the elite kids are eliminated right off the bat due to grades or simply no chance as they are typically from the South. It's just not good odds that a five-star DE from Florida is coming to Notre Dame.
You can recruit the hell out of kids, but when you simply don't have a chance it's hard to keep doing that year in and out. Notre Dame hasn't given up on elite lineman, as you can see they have locked Robert Beal Jr. down for the 2017 class, but he has ND connections and family in the area.
I get your point, but it's just a position that Notre Dame isn't going to really do well at regardless of how good they are or arent.
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Word, but they are able to get a few really good players, about one a cycle.
Trumbetti
Khalid Kareem
Hayes
Terry Jillery
Jarron Jones
Rochelle
Day
Tuitt
Nix
KLM
Ian Williams
Tuck
Anthony weaver
Trevor Laws
Victor Abaimiri
Derek Landri
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Thomas Graham visiting March 19th for Jr day.
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is this just listed according to recruiting rankings? because some of these guys dont deserve to be in the same breathe with the others.
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Wiltfong is hearing that ND should get a legit look from Graham. Spring visit doesn't hurt, top 10 CB.