2017 Master List

[STLDomer]

I'm starting to have second thoughts about how good our class really is. I do really like some parts. Really good OL as usual, 2 of the top 3 TE's in the country is amazing, I like CJ Holmes, Darnell Ewell, Robertson and think we have some players that could work out great. Not getting a high talent DE is really bad. No WR's is really bad. Our LB commits, although talented both look around 6'0, 220 tops...and it doesn't look like we're going to close that well. Maybe Simmons who's a 200lb LB and possibly Martin. Maybe I'm just frustrated in this dead time but I have concerns.

This class is actually amazingly strong considering the season ND had IMO....

If you expected any better than your expectations were way too high. We went 4-8 and turned over half the staff and still have a top 10 class.

 

[fightingirish26]

This class is actually amazingly strong considering the season ND had IMO....

If you expected any better than your expectations were way too high. We went 4-8 and turned over half the staff and still have a top 10 class.

Yeah, there are obviously some major holes in the class, and we may struggle to add bodies at the end of this cycle, but a preseason top 10 team that goes 4-8 should expect to see their class completely fall apart. So far we've only lost Werner, Jeter, and Pouncey (Beal left before the season). No matter what they say, I continue to worry about Adebo and Hicks, but I think Elko helps keep them on board. Also, Oliver Martin is as close to a must get as we have for the rest of the cycle.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Question for you guys in the know...

ND obviously is missing out on some talent that decommitted and others that just prefer other schools. Now, does ND take a lot of 3 stars, knowing in the past they havent been real competitive for whatever reason, to fill the class or leave some scholarships open in the event 2017 is a lot better and interest flows back to ND?

In the past, at least DL wise and possibly WR wise, ND has taken a lot of projects in the 3 star range that just havent been much more than warm bodies. Then next year comes and ND can only take X number which leads to slow playing guys who want to come for higher rated guys which never seems to end well for ND.

So if you are BK, what do you do?

 

[dublinirish]

Question for you guys in the know...

ND obviously is missing out on some talent that decommitted and others that just prefer other schools. Now, does ND take a lot of 3 stars, knowing in the past they havent been real competitive for whatever reason, to fill the class or leave some scholarships open in the event 2017 is a lot better and interest flows back to ND?

In the past, at least DL wise and possibly WR wise, ND has taken a lot of projects in the 3 star range that just havent been much more than warm bodies. Then next year comes and ND can only take X number which leads to slow playing guys who want to come for higher rated guys which never seems to end well for ND.

So if you are BK, what do you do?

Take the maximum guys every class, there is never going to be 85 guys on scholarship when the season rolls around

 

[Irish#1]

Question for you guys in the know...

ND obviously is missing out on some talent that decommitted and others that just prefer other schools. Now, does ND take a lot of 3 stars, knowing in the past they havent been real competitive for whatever reason, to fill the class or leave some scholarships open in the event 2017 is a lot better and interest flows back to ND?

In the past, at least DL wise and possibly WR wise, ND has taken a lot of projects in the 3 star range that just havent been much more than warm bodies. Then next year comes and ND can only take X number which leads to slow playing guys who want to come for higher rated guys which never seems to end well for ND.

So if you are BK, what do you do?

You can't just stockpile scholarships. I think the max you can offer in a year is 25, so even if you din't offer any scholarships for two years and only had say 30 kids on scholarship, you can't offer 55 in one year. I think the coaches do hold back a scholarship or two every now and then. For example, the upcoming class of HS kids may be better than the current class, so the coaches may want to offer more kids in the upcoming class as long as they don't exceed 25. Someone correct me if I'm wrong or left something out.

 

[Luckylucci]

Question for you guys in the know...

ND obviously is missing out on some talent that decommitted and others that just prefer other schools. Now, does ND take a lot of 3 stars, knowing in the past they havent been real competitive for whatever reason, to fill the class or leave some scholarships open in the event 2017 is a lot better and interest flows back to ND?

In the past, at least DL wise and possibly WR wise, ND has taken a lot of projects in the 3 star range that just havent been much more than warm bodies. Then next year comes and ND can only take X number which leads to slow playing guys who want to come for higher rated guys which never seems to end well for ND.

So if you are BK, what do you do?

I don't think the staff should pay any attention to star rankings, ever. If they are evaluating players and think they can help the team win games, at some point in the future. Then I'd offer them a scholarship and take their commitment.

 

[BobbyMac]

Question for you guys in the know...

ND obviously is missing out on some talent that decommitted and others that just prefer other schools. Now, does ND take a lot of 3 stars, knowing in the past they havent been real competitive for whatever reason, to fill the class or leave some scholarships open in the event 2017 is a lot better and interest flows back to ND?

In the past, at least DL wise and possibly WR wise, ND has taken a lot of projects in the 3 star range that just havent been much more than warm bodies. Then next year comes and ND can only take X number which leads to slow playing guys who want to come for higher rated guys which never seems to end well for ND.

So if you are BK, what do you do?

The answer is you take 3/2/1/0 star players that can play. Here's a look at WR's only.

WR's uncommitted (247 ratings):

0 Star - Michael Smith - FL
3 star - Danny Davis - OH
3 star - Gavin Holmes - TX
3 star - Emeke Emezie - NC
3 star - Judah Bell - TX
3 star - Bryan Thompson - CA
3 star - Sam Crawford - TX
3 star - Beau Corrales - TX
3 star - Reggie Roberson - TX
3 star - Victor Bates - CA
3 star - Dre Williams - FL
3 star - Drew Tejchman - GA

WR's committed:

3 star - Leroy Henley - FL - E Carolina
3 star - Mac Hippenhammer - IN - PSU
3 star - Berkeley Holman - CA - Northwestern
3 star - Sage Surratt - NC - Harvard
3 star - Cade Green - TX - Wisconsin


Here's a perfect example of what's out there right under everyone's noses:

Dutch Fork is the #1 team in South Carolina. They have a 3 star WR named Austin Connor. As a junior he finished 2nd in the 100 & 200 at the 4A state championships. The same meet where Troy Pride won 4 championships at the 3A level. He has Duke, Vandy, UGa, Tenn., VT offers along with Army, Dartmouth and Harvard. Looks like a Duke - Vandy battle.

Dutch Fork also has a 0 star WR named Bobby Irby who led the team with 70 rec for 1400+ yds. He doesn't even have a NR profile on any of the services. I promise you, if he can do that playing for the the #1 team in SC, he's worthy of a P5 scholarship. His Hudl page backs that up. I don't know if he has ND books like Connor but it just goes to show you, the undervalued recruits are out there in big numbers.

 

[PANDFAN]

Jarez Parks
Top100 DE intrigued by Notre Dame, official visit in the works

said after speaking w/ lugg and kmet that they were soo passionate about the university that it got him interested...ND checks off all the boxes in what he is looking for in a university..HOWEVER he wants to go pre-med (cough kaindoh) and has officialed to bama, fsu, jan officials to florida and auburn and we MIGHT get his last one out of usc, ND or lsu

don't hold ur breath

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="tl" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> has offered 2017 Kapolei (HI) DE Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa. Congrats <a href="https://twitter.com/myraaann">@myraaann</a>! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash">#GoIrish</a></p>— 808 FB Recruiting (@808FBRecruits) <a href="https://twitter.com/808FBRecruits/status/816748247314145280">January 4, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa's Highlights - Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa highlights - Hudl

 

[PANDFAN]

SOME NAMES TO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR ON OFFERS (Not from any sites, but ND is getting info on these guys)

earnest brown-3* DE-committed to Northwestern
Kyrei Fisher 3* olb-committed to ark
Corey Bethley 3* DT-uncommitted
Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa 3* DE uncommitted
Aliki Vimahi-3* DE-UNCOMMITTED
Noah Daniels 3* db-UNCOMMITED
Emmanuel Flowers 2* SAFETY-uncommited
Sampson Niu 3* ILB-oregon commit
KJ Jarrell-4* safety uncommitted

i see the future

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

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[bluengold4732]

You can't just stockpile scholarships. I think the max you can offer in a year is 25, so even if you din't offer any scholarships for two years and only had say 30 kids on scholarship, you can't offer 55 in one year. I think the coaches do hold back a scholarship or two every now and then. For example, the upcoming class of HS kids may be better than the current class, so the coaches may want to offer more kids in the upcoming class as long as they don't exceed 25. Someone correct me if I'm wrong or left something out.

You're allowed more than 25 scholarship players in a class with EE's being the reason. EE's count towards the previous class. Last year we signed 23 guys with 5 being EE's so in retrospect ND could have a maximum of 7 EE's in this class. We have 17 commits with 5 EE's who count towards last years class so technically we could sign 13 more players this cycle with no room for EE's in next year's class. It's the loop hole that allows the SEC to oversign every year because they get a large number of early enrollees that they count towards the previous class.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

So who all is left as far as possible commits or recruits that will or may visit, whether they're either a huge long shot or decent possibility of commiting? Off the top of my head...WR -Martin, Calvin, the no star kid from Florida. DL - Cage, Cutliffe, Park. LB - Simmons, the Virginia 245 LB kid Safety - Fields. OL - Foster.

I've gotten over the lack of quality or commits at a few positions and realized this is a damned good class for a 4-8 team.

Who am I forgetting or unaware of?? Any possible flips?

 

[NDdomer2]

Food for thought, It seems like every night you have some epiphany about how great or bad this class is, with a differing opinion quite frequently. Considering there isn't much changing, my suggestion would be, let the class play out. Evaluate all the parts, come NSD, and then come up with the final eval. A lot will probably change between now and then. Not only with the composition of the class but also with the eval of each player. Ex. Adams arrow is definitely pointing down, but it sounds like Lugg/Adebo is pointing up.

Update: We do have a WR commit, Michael Young.

All of this

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Food for thought, It seems like every night you have some epiphany about how great or bad this class is, with a differing opinion quite frequently. Considering there isn't much changing, my suggestion would be, let the class play out. Evaluate all the parts, come NSD, and then come up with the final eval. A lot will probably change between now and then. Not only with the composition of the class but also with the eval of each player. Ex. Adams arrow is definitely pointing down, but it sounds like Lugg/Adebo is pointing up.

Update: We do have a WR commit, Michael Young.

Yeah this is true. And yes, Young is a WR commit but a slot WR. I'm really hoping we get at least a solid X WR especially Oliver Martin. He would be perfect.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

All of this

What's this about falling on deaf ears? I certainly hear everyone out. I often agree with people.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

247 just reported ND has offered Hawaii DE, last name Tagovailoa-Amosa. He's interested especially as Manti went to ND and is considering a visit. He's 6'4, 270 lbs. Ranked #46 DE. I like the huge push for big, tough DL lately. Go Elko!
The Irish looking to add one of Hawaii's best to the 2017 class

 

[BobbyMac]

So who all is left as far as possible commits or recruits that will or may visit, whether they're either a huge long shot or decent possibility of commiting? Off the top of my head...WR -Martin, Calvin, the no star kid from Florida. DL - Cage, Cutliffe, Park. LB - Simmons, the Virginia 245 LB kid Safety - Fields. OL - Foster.

I've gotten over the lack of quality or commits at a few positions and realized this is a damned good class for a 4-8 team.

Who am I forgetting or unaware of?? Any possible flips?

So who all is left as far as possible commits or recruits that will or may visit, whether they're either a huge long shot or decent possibility of commiting? Off the top of my head...WR -Martin, Calvin, the no star kid from Florida. DL - Cage, Cutliffe, Park. LB - Simmons, the Virginia 245 LB kid Safety - Fields. OL - Foster.

I've gotten over the lack of quality or commits at a few positions and realized this is a damned good class for a 4-8 team.

Who am I forgetting or unaware of?? Any possible flips?

WR's
Oliver Martin
Jamire Calvin
Michael Smith
Gavin Holmes
Jordan Pouncey (? "Back in play" ?)

Safety
Evan Fields
Connor Weddington
Tank Robinson (? popped up as warm on his 247 profile since Elko got to town ?)
Avery Showell (WF decommit, good film, no idea if they are talking)

CB's
Jason Pinnock
Troy Simon (WF commit with an existing ND offer)

LB's
Ellis Brooks
Antjuan Simmons

DT's
Lil Cage (maybe - who knows)
Brandon Pili (Haven't heard anything since his recent offer)
Elijah Conliffe - need to offer

DE's
Ryan Johnson
Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa
Jarez Parks

Dream's
Foster Sarell
Greg Johnson

247 just reported ND has offered Hawaii DE, last name Tagovailoa-Amosa. He's interested especially as Manti went to ND and is considering a visit. He's 6'4, 270 lbs. Ranked #46 DE. I like the huge push for big, tough DL lately. Go Elko!
The Irish looking to add one of Hawaii's best to the 2017 class

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/201...3-17-hi-sde-myron-tagovailoa-amosa-offer.html


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[ND Fan Vancouver]

WR's
Oliver Martin
Jamire Calvin
Michael Smith
Gavin Holmes
Jordan Pouncey (? "Back in play" ?)

Safety
Evan Fields
Connor Weddington
Tank Robinson (? popped up as warm on his 247 profile since Elko got to town ?)
Avery Showell (WF decommit, good film, no idea if they are talking)

CB's
Jason Pinnock
Troy Simon (WF commit with an existing ND offer)

LB's
Ellis Brooks
Antjuan Simmons

DT's
Lil Cage (maybe - who knows)
Brandon Pili (Haven't heard anything since his recent offer)
Elijah Conliffe - need to offer

DE's
Ryan Johnson
Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa
Jarez Parks

Dream's
Foster Sarell
Greg Johnson




http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/201...3-17-hi-sde-myron-tagovailoa-amosa-offer.html


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Thanks a lot for this. Also, Polian and Myron are now following each other on Twitter.

 

[Luckylucci]

For the DB group, give me Troy Simon, Avery Showell, and Evan Fields and I'd be happy. They won't jump off the page at you but I like those 3 and that could be realistic.

 

[BobbyMac]

For the DB group, give me Troy Simon, Avery Showell, and Avery Fields and I'd be happy. They won't jump off the page at you but I like those 3 and that could be realistic.

Lucky, you hear anything about Tank Robinson? He went warm on 247 since Elko got here.

 

[Luckylucci]

Lucky, you hear anything about Tank Robinson? He went warm on 247 since Elko got here.

Can't say I have.

Also can't say that I put too much stock in the heat meter on 247. I remember Loy and Witlfong saying that, at least at one point, that it was essentially useless. Most of the time it's forgotten about and not accurately updated. Though, that was a while ago

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

For the DB group, give me Troy Simon, Avery Showell, and Evan Fields and I'd be happy. They won't jump off the page at you but I like those 3 and that could be realistic.

I heard Wiltfong said re Fields that he's biggest on ASU but an ND visit could be a game changer. I like him a lot.

 

[BobbyMac]

Can't say I have.

Also can't say that I put too much stock in the heat meter on 247. I remember Loy and Witlfong saying that, at least at one point, that it was essentially useless. Most of the time it's forgotten about and not accurately updated. Though, that was a while ago

I agree 99.9%. To your point, Rahyme Johnson's is still warm.

But for Robinson's to switch from cool to warm caught my attention. When Elko was being talked about, I went and cross referenced ND and WF offers and Robinson was still cool.

Thanks bro.

 

[IrishLax]

We're actually not that bad on the DL... right now the only positions we desperately need to hit on are WR and DB. We need minimum two more of each or we will have massive depth holes.

 

[Luckylucci]

Not sure how many spots we have, as I know a lot is up in the air still, but it sure seems like we are going to have plenty of space to take quite few down the stretch.

1-2 LB's
3 DB's
1 DL
2 WR's

That puts us at 24-25 for the class. Is that possible?

 

[bluengold4732]

We're currently at 70 schollies with Folston, Matuska, Bivin, McGovern, and Finke and Van Gorder counting towards that. That leaves 4 medicals or transfers to open room for a 25 man class if none of them return. I don't see Finke or VG's scholarships not being renewed however. So that leaves a class of 22 or 23 with attrition of anywhere between 5-7 guys currently on the roster.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Not sure how many spots we have, as I know a lot is up in the air still, but it sure seems like we are going to have plenty of space to take quite few down the stretch.

1-2 LB's
3 DB's
1 DL
2 WR's

That puts us at 24-25 for the class. Is that possible?

That would be nice. I don't think we'll take 3 DB's though. I'm hoping we get 2 DL and at least one stud X WR.

 

[ND NYC]

is van gorder kid really on scholly?

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

is van gorder kid really on scholly?

I think he is.....I like helping out the odd walk on with great attitude that see the field like Finke, he scored a couple TD's for us, but VG eating up a scholly bothers me a little especially if we can't take a recruit as a result. Hopefully that won't be the case.