2016 Presidential Horse Race

[ulukinatme]

The entire Country!!! A little dramatic aren't you? Not , that's who you are

You cannot equate the actions of these anti Trump protesters to anything that Trump supporters have done. But you will find a way.

Eleven posts in and you should already just quit.

Is he wrong? Where were the thousands protesting in the streets and causing millions in property damage when Obama won? Where were the throngs of Trump supporters physically attacking Hillary supporters during the election? I saw some cases of one or two people at a rally throwing punches at a loud Trump protester, but nothing like the mobs of Hillary supporters attacking people and causing property damage. This was back in June, way before the election still and the current protests:

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Other than the occasions of a few people throwing punches at a rally, I'm struggling to find multiple cases of mass mob attacks and riots from the other side.

 

[connor_in]

No shit. He is also a half Jew and loves black cock. The irony being that he will somehow have to navigate the Un-American Activites Committee. It will likely be real hard to do so being so openly homo.

He's also a foreigner! You know how we Rs hates us some foreigners!!!

 

[Cackalacky]

He's also a foreigner! You know how we Rs hates us some foreigners!!!

Why the italics?

 

[fightingirish26]

Please tell me you don't believe the shock therapy lie.

“Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.”

how do you interpret this?

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Ok 60 minutes interview. Anyone else watch it?

Basically admitted that marriage equality doesn't matter to him. Says it's already been decided and there's more important things to worry about.
Said Roe v. Wade would have to be a states issue if it was over turned. Not a fan of this position at all.
Said he would refuse the salary for being POTUS.
All but admitted his personal business has suffered, but says this is bigger than that.

Told any of his supporters using his win to act like bigotted assholes to stop it.
Said his immediate immigration plan is to deport any illegals who are criminals could be up to 3 million people.
States he will keep some parts of the ACA such as pre existing conditions and extended benefits while trying to make it better and more affordable. Also said there will be no lag period. Sounds like he plans to have the repeal and the vote at the exact same time.

More and more he seems like a NYC liberal who has come more central as he has aged instead of a hardcore conservative.

Ivanka Trump has impressed me. I could see her running for state office and actually being pretty good.

 

[connor_in]

On Drudge right now

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[notredomer23]

Said his immediate immigration plan is to deport any illegals who are criminals could be up to 3 million people.

I've never actually believed he will build a wall, and I think this will probably be the extent of his mass deportations. I'd wager he grants amnesty to any non-felon in his first term. Highly doubt there is 3 million felon immigrants though.

I could get so much more behind Trump if he wasn't hiring/considering some major dolts.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

I've never actually believed he will build a wall, and I think this will probably be the extent of his mass deportations. I'd wager he grants amnesty to any non-felon in his first term. Highly doubt there is 3 million felon immigrants though.

I could get so much more behind Trump if he wasn't hiring/considering some major dolts.

He did state he wants to build a wall. Could even be chain link in places.
All depends he stated criminal and expanded a little into gang members and such.

 

[ulukinatme]

Ok 60 minutes interview. Anyone else watch it?

Basically admitted that marriage equality doesn't matter to him. Says it's already been decided and there's more important things to worry about.
Said Roe v. Wade would have to be a states issue if it was over turned. Not a fan of this position at all.
Said he would refuse the salary for being POTUS.
All but admitted his personal business has suffered, but says this is bigger than that.

Told any of his supporters using his win to act like bigotted assholes to stop it.
Said his immediate immigration plan is to deport any illegals who are criminals could be up to 3 million people.
States he will keep some parts of the ACA such as pre existing conditions and extended benefits while trying to make it better and more affordable. Also said there will be no lag period. Sounds like he plans to have the repeal and the vote at the exact same time.

More and more he seems like a NYC liberal who has come more central as he has aged instead of a hardcore conservative.

Ivanka Trump has impressed me. I could see her running for state office and actually being pretty good.

Sounds like he's been saying all the right things since the election was over. Really like the thought of repealing the ACA and keeping the important stuff like pre existing conditions, that's something that shouldn't go away.

 

[Cackalacky]

Ok 60 minutes interview. Anyone else watch it?

Basically admitted that marriage equality doesn't matter to him. Says it's already been decided and there's more important things to worry about.
Said Roe v. Wade would have to be a states issue if it was over turned. Not a fan of this position at all.
Said he would refuse the salary for being POTUS.
All but admitted his personal business has suffered, but says this is bigger than that.

Told any of his supporters using his win to act like bigotted assholes to stop it.
Said his immediate immigration plan is to deport any illegals who are criminals could be up to 3 million people.
States he will keep some parts of the ACA such as pre existing conditions and extended benefits while trying to make it better and more affordable. Also said there will be no lag period. Sounds like he plans to have the repeal and the vote at the exact same time.

More and more he seems like a NYC liberal who has come more central as he has aged instead of a hardcore conservative.

Ivanka Trump has impressed me. I could see her running for state office and actually being pretty good.

Yep. I said there would be voter remorse by June. For the social conservatives I don't think they will like those answers. This will be super interesting to see how he handles the Congress

 

[Cackalacky]

I've never actually believed he will build a wall, and I think this will probably be the extent of his mass deportations. I'd wager he grants amnesty to any non-felon in his first term. Highly doubt there is 3 million felon immigrants though.

I could get so much more behind Trump if he wasn't hiring/considering some major dolts.

A Wall will never be built. It would be a civil project so expensive as to be completely unreasonable.

 

[wizards8507]

&#147;Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.&#148;

how do you interpret this?

1. There's a HUGE difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior. Anthony Weiner is in an institution trying to change his sexual behavior right now. He's not homosexual.

2. The question Pence was answering when he gave that quote was about renewing the Ryan White Care Act, which Pence supported. The Ryan White Care Act provides federal funding for HIV/AIDS research. The entire quote reads:

"Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior."

The history is that the Ryan White Care Act was being abused. Funding was going to organizations that promoted promiscuity in the gay community. When you actually have the context, Pence's answer on the issue is spot-on.

3. Even if Pence were talking about conversion therapy, which he wasn't, it's an irresponsible and dangerous leap to link that to shock therapy. Give me a break.

 

[Cackalacky]

He did state he wants to build a wall. Could even be chain link in places.
All depends he stated criminal and expanded a little into gang members and such.

This has been discussed before but a chain link fence is the wrong idea because it is the least effective thing that costs a bunch of money to do. It won't stop people crossing through it, it can't stop tunneling and there are large stretches of the border that can't be fenced in.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

This has been discussed before but a chain link fence is the wrong idea because it is the least effective thing that costs a bunch of money to do. It won't stop people crossing through it, it can't stop tunneling and there are large stretches of the border that can't be fenced in.

Maybe chain link with Canada.
Seriously though I have no problems if it's a metaphorical wall. Beef up security some, while making it less time intensive to actually follow the proper paths to becoming a citizen.

 

[loomis41973]

Maybe chain link with Canada.
Seriously though I have no problems if it's a metaphorical wall. Beef up security some, while making it less time intensive to actually follow the proper paths to becoming a citizen.

At least two of us understand.


The left is triggered and hysterical.

 

[kmoose]

“Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.”

1. There's a HUGE difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior. Anthony Weiner is in an institution trying to change his sexual behavior right now. He's not homosexual.

2. The question Pence was answering when he gave that quote was about renewing the Ryan White Care Act, which Pence supported. The Ryan White Care Act provides federal funding for HIV/AIDS research. The entire quote reads:

"Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior."

The history is that the Ryan White Care Act was being abused. Funding was going to organizations that promoted promiscuity in the gay community. When you actually have the context, Pence's answer on the issue is spot-on.

3. Even if Pence were talking about conversion therapy, which he wasn't, it's an irresponsible and dangerous leap to link that to shock therapy. Give me a break.

how do you interpret this?

As you either ignorantly, or intentionally misrepresenting a quote, and failing at it pretty badly?

 

[fightingirish26]

As you either ignorantly, or intentionally misrepresenting a quote, and failing at it pretty badly?

i gave a quote and offered no opinion...

 

[ickythump1225]

The past week has been great. The sheer amount of liberal tears has ended the drought in California. Election night was honestly like watching ND win a NC x10000. The air is a bit cleaner and the sun shines a bit brighter.

The sheer smugness of liberals had become insufferable and if I had a nickel for every time some smug liberal told me "he won't win" I would be a wealthy man right now. Honestly the types of people who are afraid or crying right now over Trump's win deserve to have a bit of discomfort in their lives because they'd grown cocky, smug, and complacent under Obama.

If Trump does even 50% of what he promised things will pretty quickly start to look better in the country. I'm fine if he doesn't cut taxes or any of that other hokey shit so long as he A) delivers on most of his immigration promises and B) reworks our trade deals.

 

[ickythump1225]

One of the best parts of this election is that the Democrats have put themselves in a bad way in future elections by completing destroying their bench by rigging the game for Hillary and suppressing everyone else. Primaries are where minor players get name recognition and the party builds depth. The only person to build national recognition from this race on the left is Bernie Sanders who is too old to be a major player moving forward.

Also, (though it is very early still) the lesson the Democrats seem to be learning from this is not "Don't run a vile, uncharismatic, unlikable, and thoroughly corrupt candidate" but rather "go hard left" which isn't likely to work well for them.

 

[ickythump1225]

On Drudge right now

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Some Buster quotes need to go on there as well I'm sure.

 

[kmoose]

Yep. I said there would be voter remorse by June. For the social conservatives I don't think they will like those answers. This will be super interesting to see how he handles the Congress

I consider myself a social conservative. Not a hardcore conservative, but conservative nonetheless. I don't expect Trump to come in and start overturning everything Obama did, and I would disappointed if people expected him to do so. I think people were looking more for a change in how the Executive Branch operates, more so than someone to upend all of Obama's programs.

 

[Wild Bill]

A Wall will never be built. It would be a civil project so expensive as to be completely unreasonable.

Because of lack of effort from trump and his administration or because of opposition?

 

[IrishLax]

Because of lack of effort from trump and his administration or because of opposition?

IMO, because it makes no sense. It's not viable. It's been studied.

I worked on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBInet

I have extensive CBP/DHS experience. I've worked in every sector and most stations on the Mexican border. A wall is just really fucking stupid... a physical barrier is not viable in many locations. And in places where a physical barrier is viable, there are lots of other problems with installing one.

I imagine what will happen is that once Trump is given all this information he will push for a border security program that includes a small section of beefed up "wall" + other funding for measures that will actually be effective. That's my guess. It should also be noted that our border security right now is not nearly as bad as it's made out to be and there is surprisingly little illegal immigration at the moment (at least last I was actually appraised of data which was awhile ago so that might not still be accurate).

 

[goldandblue]

IMO, because it makes no sense. It's not viable. It's been studied.

I worked on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBInet

I have extensive CBP/DHS experience. I've worked in every sector and most stations on the Mexican border. A wall is just really fucking stupid... a physical barrier is not viable in many locations. And in places where a physical barrier is viable, there are lots of other problems with installing one.

I imagine what will happen is that once Trump is given all this information he will push for a border security program that includes a small section of beefed up "wall" + other funding for measures that will actually be effective. That's my guess. It should also be noted that our border security right now is not nearly as bad as it's made out to be and there is surprisingly little illegal immigration at the moment (at least last I was actually appraised of data which was awhile ago so that might not still be accurate).

Not viable? Are you are saying a wall couldn't be built?

 

[Wild Bill]

IMO, because it makes no sense. It's not viable. It's been studied.

I worked on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBInet

I have extensive CBP/DHS experience. I've worked in every sector and most stations on the Mexican border. A wall is just really fucking stupid... a physical barrier is not viable in many locations. And in places where a physical barrier is viable, there are lots of other problems with installing one.

I imagine what will happen is that once Trump is given all this information he will push for a border security program that includes a small section of beefed up "wall" + other funding for measures that will actually be effective. That's my guess. It should also be noted that our border security right now is not nearly as bad as it's made out to be and there is surprisingly little illegal immigration at the moment (at least last I was actually appraised of data which was awhile ago so that might not still be accurate).

If he pulls back on securing the border with a wall, fence, etc he's done. He knows it and if forgets Bannon will be there to remind him. He has to build a barrier of some sort and support it with technology/people. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your opinion. It's a political issue now so I'm not sure details matter.

 

[phgreek]

This has been discussed before but a chain link fence is the wrong idea because it is the least effective thing that costs a bunch of money to do. It won't stop people crossing through it, it can't stop tunneling and there are large stretches of the border that can't be fenced in.

I'm not a big wall guy...but, I have seen, touched, and implemented sensors and related technologies in buildings which detect

1) damage
2) tectonic activity
3) heat sources
4) water / water damage
5) air born disruption (fly over)
6) Chemical and bio agent presence

They also characterize damage to themselves, and inform likely remedies.

Do you need a huge wall...na, you do need some structure though.

I think if you frame this simply as a chain link fence from 1972, yea, prolly not.

If you see the fence as a metaphor for deployment of sensor and signal nets...now you might be closer. If you see this as a potential to be part of a defense, DEA, and immigration enterprise, then I think this starts to make more sense to more folks.

 

[IrishLax]

Not viable? Are you are saying a wall couldn't be built?

Oh, anything can get done. It's a question of practicality and effectiveness. I could engineer them one hell of a wall wherever they want it. I can put one in the middle of the Rio Grande or up and over some of the mountains near the border or whatever.

By not viable I mean that no one in their right mind would think a wall is appropriate or effective or a responsible use of money. There are large stretches of the border where that is the truth, and there are also large stretches of border where we already have a physical barrier (with lots of problems). In some other spots, it would work fine.

I'm saying that it's been studied, specifically in previous decades when they were green lighting billions for the projects I worked on. Everyone... and I mean everyone from the green shirts to the paper pushing politicians... understands the problems with a "wall." And for those reasons, there's no chance one gets built along the entire border. Absolutely none.

Hell, we built one remote video surveillance site on top of a mountain and had to airlift the materials up there... the cost alone for doing a wall up and over that singular mountainous area would be hundreds of millions.

 

[Wild Bill]

Oh, anything can get done. It's a question of practicality and effectiveness. I could engineer them one hell of a wall wherever they want it. I can put one in the middle of the Rio Grande or up and over some of the mountains near the border or whatever.

By not viable I mean that no one in their right mind would think a wall is appropriate or effective or a responsible use of money. There are large stretches of the border where that is the truth, and there are also large stretches of border where we already have a physical barrier (with lots of problems). In some other spots, it would work fine.

I'm saying that it's been studied, specifically in previous decades when they were green lighting billions for the projects I worked on. Everyone... and I mean everyone from the green shirts to the paper pushing politicians... understands the problems with a "wall." And for those reasons, there's no chance one gets built along the entire border. Absolutely none.

Hell, we built one remote video surveillance site on top of a mountain and had to airlift the materials up there... the cost alone for doing a wall up and over that singular mountainous area would be hundreds of millions.

Sounds like Mexico is going to have one hell of a tab to pay.

Couldn't help myself.

 

[Legacy]

Ditch the Electoral College? Yes we can (Baltimore Sun Editorial)

After the second election in 16 years in which the winner of the national popular vote will be denied the presidency, talk has resurfaced about the shortcomings of the Electoral College, the convoluted system by which our chief executive is actually chosen. It is the product of an 18th century compromise forged over issues that no longer apply and resting on assumptions about the wisdom of the average person we no longer hold, and it has not worked the way it was intended almost from the very beginning.

 

[IrishLax]

And again, to be very clear, there are very large stretches of the border where various forms of wall already exist. They have limited effectiveness, even the ones that are like 15' tall. They're basically decent at stopping vehicles from crossing but through tunnels and other means it's really not that hard to figure out how to beat a wall... the freaking Mongolians hundreds of years ago figured out a much more robust wall than Trump could ever hope to build.

What does work is surveillance and patrols... thinks like IR cameras, etc. People would be shocked at how competent our border security is right now. Professionals (e.g. cartels) still find workarounds through tunnels or boating from Mexico out to the Pacific Ocean and trying to beat the Coast Guard or smuggling straight through POEs. And a bigger wall isn't really going to fix any of that.