2016 Presidential Horse Race

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Polish Leppy 22

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That's not "a line" from the DNC -- everyone from Mitt Romney to Lindsay Graham to Mark Cuban is also saying that.

...and they are right. He is unfit - the guy is nothing more than a charismatic reality TV star. Just like you're unfit to be an open heart surgeon, Trump is unfit to be commander in chief. Time to come to terms that the GOP royally screwed this one up.

It's a line Obama used just a few days ago. It's an opinion, not fact. People can agree or disagree all day long.

Obama says Trump 'unfit' for presidency - CNNPolitics.com

I've said on here for months that Trump wasn't my first choice and I'm not going to defend him. The GOP spent way too much time and money on Jeb freakin Bush.
 

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I agree with most of what you are saying. However, I do think it's hard for some Democrats to understand that Hilary and Bill really are tied in with money making schemes, scandals, ethical breaches, and straight-faced lying in a manner that is not common to all politicians. The sheer number hits the "where there is smoke there is fire" level.

Reagan - Turned in anyone that challenged his power and position to the Kefauver Commission and Joe McCarthy. It let him consolidate his power, and power was money. He was little more than a mob mouthpiece with his Screen Actor's Guild Presidency.

And, My grandfather, who voted Republican from Roosevelt (TR), to Goldwater, not only hated him for what he did in Hollywood before he became a politician, but he hated him more for switching from a "Communist, and New Deal Democrat" to a conservative Republican. Gramps said that RR was the worst kind of politician there was. And that is the way Republicans of RR's generation overwhelmingly felt about him.

Bushes - Preston was a crook. And a traitor. I won't waste time delineating it here; it is all well documented. HW used his political clout to make sweetheart business deals under the table. There is more proof that he brokered the arms for hostages deal that held the Iranian hostages until after the '80 election than there is of any wrongdoing by the Clintons. W., was just a mess from failing flight duty (cocaine) and evading the draft, to bankrupting companies and getting a free pass, to conspiring to lie to the American people about going to war. [This still gets me so pissed off! I can't believe anyone gives him a free pass on that one; after all the British intelligence that has been released backs up what some American sources have maintained since day one! Yet all the 'True Patriots' want to give him a pass!]

I can go on . . .



Nixon stood out as paranoid, dishonest, and dangerous among Republicans. While democrats said lots of awful stuff about Reagan and HW Bush, and both guys did their dirty deeds Nixon was in a different category. However, had it not been for Watergate, people would still be arguing that his critics were just political hacks.

Man, you are really moving on the right track : A) He is on a whole different level, and I will delve into why I agree with you, below; B) Great point! In America, until someone is disgraced by the sway of public opinion, their supporters claim foul. It turns out that no one could or would claim foul with Tricky Dickey. So you are right, if he hadn't come off as so morally bankrupt, and mentally ill, it would have been the same back and forth as with every other politician, Hmmmm?

Many may conclude that Donald is worse or far worse in some manners. But Hilary and Bill are not just two more Democrats that Republicans hate. That would be Joe Biden or Al Gore. They have actual basis for distrusting them beyond the normal political shenanigans (albeit probably often exaggerated).

I don't see any reason for anyone to 'hate' Joe Biden. Actually, he is about as honest and above board as you are going to get in American Politics. The only reason for a Republican to resent him at all is that he is so skilled at tearing his opponents new assholes.

But Donald Trump isn't like Bill and Hillary, the Bushes, Reagan, or Biden. He is like Nixon. The two men (Nixon and Trump) each have a specific mental illness that overarches any of the good or bad things they have done.


As for the birther stuff, whether or not he was born in the U.S. was a matter of fact. He was, so there was no issue. However, it is not necessarily simply a matter of having an American mother. That's why I thought it was uber-hypocritical for Ted Cruz to run, or at least for birthers to support Cruz. Cruz is all about applying the Constitution as written, except for in that case.

I am not sure what you mean, or what your point is. What I said is that if any child born outside the US has a natural mother that is a legal US citizen, or can prove paternity to a legal US citizen, that child is born a US citizen. That is the way the law was stated when he was born, and after the adjustment for advances in technology, and adjudication and repatriation of a lot of war babies, that is the way the law stands today.

What I was saying is that birthers in their arguments, with this point of law being fact, were like someone being in public talking, with a wet streak running down their leg to their shoe . . .
 
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Bogtrotter07

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I didn't hear you piping up in 2012 saying that Obama needed help.

Per Obama: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl."

Did I miss the post where you commented on Obama's need of help?

Dude, I remember what you are referring to. Interestingly enough it was taken almost word for word from the Untouchables. Sean Connery to what's his name. About how you have to fight the mob.

I really am a little worried, and worried about you, bud. In the Trump case he was specifically talking about an individual. In Obama's case, not only was he quoting a line from a movie, trying to make himself look tougher, or identifying that he wouldn't be a pushover, he never said we should do this, (knifing or shooting), to any specific person!

I mean, what the fuck?!?!?!?

And, what Obama was talking about was a defensive strategy. He wasn't talking about bringing knives to a square dance, or guns to a political rally.

I thought maybe the lack of discrimination on the part of some of the audience may be part of the problem with the whole conversation, but this seems to show that I under-estimated the phenomena.
 

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There you go again...thinking IE is Skull and Bones and you're the president lol. I enjoy the forum and the back and forth debates. I didn't neg rep him for the opinion.

How did you get that from me saying its bs that you constantly neg rep people for stupid reasons? lol

Just run out of excuses and thought a baseless accusation might spin it your way? I just pointed out a commonly held view of your practices. We must have a lot of presidents here on IE. There's no secret handshake for disliking your neg rep practices. That's sort of a equal opportunity thing.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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I've only seen it on TV, but surprised you haven't seen it. It's been running quite a bit.

This isn't it, but is similar.
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Six of one, half a dozen of another.

You know, I kind of like those adds. She could have really gone full potato on Trump, but I think she showed quite a bit of decorum.

And as far as anyone outside of the HRC camp crying foul at these adds, particularly in light of many things Donald has already said about Hillary, stop blubbering, and put on your big boy pants!

One of the things I like least about Hillary may be great to have in a President. She is actually ruthless in competition. It is one of my favorite things about this race. Donald keeps stepping in it deeper, and giving her more and more ammunition with which to emasculate him. So much that she can really take the high ground, which will really show her in good light, considering her previous unfavorability numbers.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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I'm gonna help "Make America Great Again."

And so are most voters in this room apparently, by the numbers.

Liberals, as usual, are the most vocal on here.

Killary is worthless.

Johnny, you already make America great! Just by being here!

Do you really think America was ever 'greater?' As smart as you are, and as much respect for you as I have, my father believed that America was young and still coming into its own. Having served 4 1/2 years in the South Pacific during World War II he certainly didn't believe America was greater between the word wars, (his youth); or after the Second World War, his adulthood.

He died in 2004 predicting another depression, or great recession, political turmoil, a drop across the board in all investment markets from housing to stocks, and that someone would have the sense to get the US out of two stupid wars. He thought the future was bright for the US in spite of the then current leadership, and attitudes of the people.

He figured that it may take a while, but America would continue to rise, and succeed in spite of itself!

Do you think America was ever greater?
 

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Dude...congratulations on making the Secret Service watch list for typing those last two words

I feel sorry for the detail that gets to follow up with me...couldn't think of a more boring assignment ....unless they want to wait til end of this month...then I'll be elk hunting in the uintahs, fishing flaming gorge, and Rocky mountain national park...I'll just bring my backup bow and a couple extra fishing rigs...but fellas, casual dress please.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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That's not "a line" from the DNC -- everyone from Mitt Romney to Lindsay Graham to Mark Cuban is also saying that.

...and they are right. He is unfit - the guy is nothing more than a charismatic reality TV star. Just like you're unfit to be an open heart surgeon, Trump is unfit to be commander in chief. Time to come to terms that the GOP royally screwed this one up.

Best current perspective!
 

Veritate Duce Progredi

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I don't know where this one comes from, but nowhere have I supported Imams that encourage members of their mosque to commit acts of violence. They should be condemned, of course. But that doesn't excuse Trump when he suggests that 2nd amendment people can take care of things if Hillary is elected and appoints a Supreme Court justice that doesn't meet their approval. The Republicans have held up a nomination for the Supreme Court for a long time and will continue to do so in the hope that they will win the election. Their argument is that elections have consequences, and we need to wait for the 2016 election results to determine which president gets to make those nominations going forward. So why is Trump now encouraging his supporters to oppose those nominations with their "2nd amendment rights"? Do elections only have consequences when a Republican wins the presidency? And why is Trump claiming the election is rigged against him when it is still 3-months away?

Trump is in panic mode. He doesn't even think he will win in November, and he is lining up his excuses. Unlike Al Gore who conceded the 2000 election to George W. Bush for the good of the country, Trump will never be able to concede that he lost. Like the little boy who quits in the middle of the game, he will claim he has been cheated.

I don't disagree with any of that. Trump is enough of a b!tch that we can all watch him self-implode. I don't need people trying to misconstrue his words to make him worse. It does an injustice to how terrible of a human being he is, because it makes it seem like we need to point out the idiocy. It's on the face of every statement he makes.

And I'm tired of people going out of their way to kill Trump when he's simply an ignorant f*ck who knows how to win over stupid people. Hillary wants to murder children in the womb on principal, Trump would do it for a buck. Both are monsters. One monster has more diplomatic experience so she'll win and we'll be stuck with her for, most likely, 8 fucking years.
 
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It's a line Obama used just a few days ago. It's an opinion, not fact. People can agree or disagree all day long.

Obama says Trump 'unfit' for presidency - CNNPolitics.com

I've said on here for months that Trump wasn't my first choice and I'm not going to defend him. The GOP spent way too much time and money on Jeb freakin Bush.

You give people negative reps because they piss you off; not for the half-assed excuses you give.

That is my opinion, but it is one I venture a majority of the board would agree with.

How is that?

Now here is another distinction you (among others) do not make : When a sitting, or former President of the United States makes that, his opinion known, it carries more weight than your or my opinion, because of knowledge he has.

Can you diminish his opinion because he is of an opposing party? Maybe a bit; but, of course the problem with that is, if it is all politics and no substance, the opposition will jump all over it.

The opposition is not jumping all over it. They are agreeing with it. In record numbers.

Only you are jumping all over it.


Get the theme?
 

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I would really like to know how much money Chelsey's hubby manages for the Clinton Foundation - and the fee structure. What a great way to financially benefit your heirs through your sham charity.

All that money coming in and not a single mention anywhere of the work they actually fund.

And if Rs can't run a respectable business man like Romney against an idiot empty suit and win - you might as well try to burn it all to the ground with a dingleberry like Trump.
 

Polish Leppy 22

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You give people negative reps because they piss you off; not for the half-assed excuses you give.

That is my opinion, but it is one I venture a majority of the board would agree with.

How is that?

Now here is another distinction you (among others) do not make : When a sitting, or former President of the United States makes that, his opinion known, it carries more weight than your or my opinion, because of knowledge he has.

Can you diminish his opinion because he is of an opposing party? Maybe a bit; but, of course the problem with that is, if it is all politics and no substance, the opposition will jump all over it.

The opposition is not jumping all over it. They are agreeing with it. In record numbers.

Only you are jumping all over it.


Get the theme?

You're making this much more complicated than it needs to be. I'm not jumping all over the president for saying what he said (although I could), I'm not jumping all over UltimatePennSthater or anyone else who agrees with the president.

UltimatePennSthater regurgitated a direct quote from Obama. For the fourth time today, my issue was NOT with his opinion. I just called him out for using the president's quote and couldn't even give the guy a hat tip.
 

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Johnny, you already make America great! Just by being here!

Do you really think America was ever 'greater?' As smart as you are, and as much respect for you as I have, my father believed that America was young and still coming into its own. Having served 4 1/2 years in the South Pacific during World War II he certainly didn't believe America was greater between the word wars, (his youth); or after the Second World War, his adulthood.

He died in 2004 predicting another depression, or great recession, political turmoil, a drop across the board in all investment markets from housing to stocks, and that someone would have the sense to get the US out of two stupid wars. He thought the future was bright for the US in spite of the then current leadership, and attitudes of the people.

He figured that it may take a while, but America would continue to rise, and succeed in spite of itself!

Do you think America was ever greater?

But I cannot get behind the greater ideas behind the Dems.

I am Pro-Christianity, Pro-Calling Radical "Islam" a Religion of Terrorism, Pro-Life, Pro-Oil, Pro-Nuke, Pro-American Flag, Pro-Gun, Pro-Immigration Reform, Pro-Food Stamp Reform, etc.

I am incredibly anti-Obamacare.

This is why I will vote Trump my man.

I'm also a small business owner expecting to make a dent in the American dream within the next 10 years, and pay off some mortgages.

All of these things bring me to where I am. And a lot of these things will bring Texas together as a Nation someday, except for Austin. They'll have to relocate...
 
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I would really like to know how much money Chelsey's hubby manages for the Clinton Foundation - and the fee structure. What a great way to financially benefit your heirs through your sham charity.

All that money coming in and not a single mention anywhere of the work they actually fund.

And if Rs can't run a respectable business man like Romney against an idiot empty suit and win - you might as well try to burn it all to the ground with a dingleberry like Trump.

Not true (note, I am not saying that they don't abuse the charitable foundation or profit from it, just that there are things that they do with the money).
Where Does Clinton Foundation Money Go?
 
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You're making this much more complicated than it needs to be. I'm not jumping all over the president for saying what he said (although I could), I'm not jumping all over UltimatePennSthater or anyone else who agrees with the president.

UltimatePennSthater regurgitated a direct quote from Obama. For the fourth time today, my issue was NOT with his opinion. I just called him out for using the president's quote and couldn't even give the guy a hat tip.

I wasn't quoting the president. I said Trump was unfit to serve as president. That's what I believe and it's true. He's completely unfit to serve as our president. Your argument is ridiculous. Neg repping me was lame. I won't neg rep you back because I'm an adult.
 

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Once again, I take comfort in the results/accuracy of the last presidential election poll taken on I.E.
 

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What's the big deal? A 600k cottage isn't exactly newsworthy.

The billionaires on Trump's "economic" "team" have places in the tens of millions of dollars, to put it on perspective.

I'm surprised he even was able to get a cottage on the Champlain islands for $600k. That's a freaking steal, man.
 

irishroo

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What's the big deal? A 600k cottage isn't exactly newsworthy.

The billionaires on Trump's "economic" "team" have places in the tens of millions of dollars, to put it on perspective.

You don't see the difference between a socialist/populist presidential candidate who's built his popularity on the idea of reducing inequality and a multibillionaire businessman?
 
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