2016 Presidential Horse Race

2016 Presidential Horse Race


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connor_in

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hillary: Trump is such a terrible person. I hate that guy. He's just awful. He's always been awful. <a href="https://t.co/PS4cjFboS1">pic.twitter.com/PS4cjFboS1</a></p>— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) <a href="https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/758865677067223040">July 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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connor_in

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's going to be soooo crazy! <a href="https://t.co/QYLQW3QEUI">pic.twitter.com/QYLQW3QEUI</a></p>— MATT DRUDGE (@DRUDGE) <a href="https://twitter.com/DRUDGE/status/759003625796448256">July 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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She's so tone deaf. She needs to just embrace her status as an evil robot. When she tires to fake like she's an actual human being, it's terrifying.
 

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She's so tone deaf. She needs to just embrace her status as an evil robot. When she tires to fake like she's an actual human being, it's terrifying.

Robin Williams used to joke that Reagan was a Disney Audio-Animatronic. All these years later and the HillBot2016 is no better than the robot from Lost in Space TV show.

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...and yes, Trump sucked too...not robotic, but it doesn't seem like he can give a real speech. He just talks likes his weird self.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hillary: Trump is such a terrible person. I hate that guy. He's just awful. He's always been awful. <a href="https://t.co/PS4cjFboS1">pic.twitter.com/PS4cjFboS1</a></p>— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) <a href="https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/758865677067223040">July 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I don't follow Shapiro (mostly because his personality annoys me), but does he support Trump?

If he does, then that tweet is pretty stupid since it goes both ways.
 

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I don't follow Shapiro (mostly because his personality annoys me), but does he support Trump?

If he does, then that tweet is pretty stupid since it goes both ways.
No, Shapiro hates Trump.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just texted this to somebody. I need to go to sleep. <a href="https://t.co/eWZgorBoxU">pic.twitter.com/eWZgorBoxU</a></p>— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) <a href="https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/758874688953036801">July 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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No, Shapiro hates Trump.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just texted this to somebody. I need to go to sleep. <a href="https://t.co/eWZgorBoxU">pic.twitter.com/eWZgorBoxU</a></p>— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) <a href="https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/758874688953036801">July 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I don't like him, but he's dead on with that tweet.
 
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Looks like someone bought into that Dem talking point hook line and sinker.

Do you really think Trump will be the one trying to fix all of this himself? He's a buffoon. He'll be taking pictures in the oval office and playing rounds of golf while the people he puts in place take care of the heavy lifting.

Of the smartest comments I have heard, one reporter called the presidential election process in the United States , "a quadrennial Rorschach test of the American electorate."

This is so. It is never about who the candidates really are, but only who the electorate identifies them as being.

Some in America are ready for the same kind of dysfunction that they grew up with in their homes as children. That narrow, elitist, white is right rhetoric. And they want it delivered by someone they consider is really "tough."

However thankfully, that is not a majority representation of the whole psyche of the American electorate. Just that of a sizable, vocal minority.

And there have been times where that has been enough. But not these times.

There are a couple of differences. Values have publically shifted just a bit.

It was okay for people in the past to decry a candidate for their gender, or a person for their race or gender. Especially when you add fear.

But you see, times have changed. Now a Muslim, a Gold Star father, who's son won the Medal of Honor :

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What is the Trump camp response? "What has Hillary sacrificed?" Forty-five years in public service. Donald should have tried it for just one year!

But that wouldn't happen. You see maybe the biggest thing that has changed with the internet, and political access to the electorate is that Trump shows up as what he really is. Someone suffering a clear case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. So the people he would be a lock for are smallish people, people that wish they could be more like him, others with complementary illnesses, and so forth.

I cannot believe this would include enough of American to propel him into the Whitehouse. And I think the Democrats have a carefully crafted agenda; they will separate him from the traditional Republican values, because after all he did abandon them, and they have begun successfully, and will continue to limit him to what he is.

I don't think they let him squirm out of his small, sick personality, that he has thoughtfully bared to the public during the primary campaign, and doesn't seem to have any indication of abandoning as gears switch to the general election.

For those of you who find this post insulting, particularly the law and order, strong military crowd who want to elect Trump for the same reason they promoted George W. Bush, I cannot tell you as a veteran how appalled and sickened I was at all of Trumps comments about the Russians. My question isn't even why a schmuck like him would say what he did say, my question is why any truly patriotic American would put up with such an affront to us all. Fuck Putin, fuck Russia, and Fuck Donald Trump! Oh yeah, and fuck Michigan!
 
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Some in America are ready for the same kind of dysfunction that they grew up with in their homes as children. That narrow, elitist, white is right rhetoric. And they want it delivered by someone they consider is really "tough."
Get out of here with that shit. I'm no Trump supporter but spare us the BS about how his support is based on "white is right."
 

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Get out of here with that shit. I'm no Trump supporter but spare us the BS about how his support is based on "white is right."

Let's examine the facts.

White males = Trump Leads
White females = Clinton Leads
Black Males and Females = Clinton Leads
Hispanic Males and Females = Clinton Leads
Asian Males and Females = Clinton Leads
Native American Males and Females = Clinton Leads
Muslim Males and Females = Clinton Leads
Immigrants = Clinton Leads
Young Adults = Clinton Leads

Trump's supporters have one common characteristic. They are primarily white males. They might not all be promoting a "White is right." message, but they are predominantly white males. There's no denying that.
 
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Get out of here with that shit. I'm no Trump supporter but spare us the BS about how his support is based on "white is right."

What is it based upon then?

I mean Wiz, really. Look at the nonsense of his statements about women, Muslims, building walls, knowing more than the generals (experts).

Look at the sum total of the un-presidential way he has acted. If any other candidate did that they would be ushered off stage. Republican or democrat, play it out in your mind.

Nobody else would get a second change after even one of those guffaws!

Then look at the way he has treated contractors, and subcontractors, investors, etc. That all fits into his unfavorability ratings, which are UGE!

His are high because he is a horrible, sick, twisted human being. Simply.

His shot is to double down on being the last 'Great White Hope.' Simply. We could go on for hours about this.

We could talk about Hillary's unfavorability. Which I suffer. I can't stand her! But her unfavorability is about being to brash, pushy, and suffering from that condition of self-righteous liberal superiority. All the while being perceived as being smarmy by the public. Some of that is legit, and some has been added by her enemies.

But I am telling you, she can slowly change all that. Trump is a one trick pony, corralled even tighter than Mitt Romney was in '12!

Like one political commentator said, "I bet Mitt wished he waited four more years to run!"

True dat!
 

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We could talk about Hillary's unfavorability. Which I suffer. I can't stand her! But her unfavorability is about being to brash, pushy, and suffering from that condition of self-righteous liberal superiority. All the while being perceived as being smarmy by the public. Some of that is legit, and some has been added by her enemies.

I can't speak for anyone else, but her unfavorability with me is about none of what you just wrote. It's about her being a bought and paid for politician that makes no bones about her corruption and thinks she is above consequences because she has powerful and influential friends. I think she has shat on the poor, the middle class, minorities, veterans, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines; and then tried to portray herself as those same groups' savior. In short, I don't favor corrupt charlatans, which HRC is the very definition of.
 

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Let's examine the facts.

White males = Trump Leads
White females = Clinton Leads
Black Males and Females = Clinton Leads
Hispanic Males and Females = Clinton Leads
Asian Males and Females = Clinton Leads
Native American Males and Females = Clinton Leads
Muslim Males and Females = Clinton Leads
Immigrants = Clinton Leads
Young Adults = Clinton Leads

Trump's supporters have one common characteristic. They are primarily white males. They might not all be promoting a "White is right." message, but they are predominantly white males. There's no denying that.

How do these facts differ from the last thirty years of presidential elections?
 
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If you haven't felt the undercurrents in the Trump phenomenon I don't know what to tell you.

How do you think his supporters would define "Great"?
That's your official position then? 50% of the country wants to "Make America White Again"?

I'm so glad I don't live in the paranoid delusions of the left. You guys see boogeymen everywhere. How do you sleep at night when you know the racist white patriarchy is out there castrating gays and chaining women to ovens?

I've seen two actual instances of bigotry in this election cycle. Black Lives Matter on the left and some really nasty anti-Semitism on the alt-right.
 

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That's your official position then? 50% of the country wants to "Make America White Again"?

I'm so glad I don't live in the paranoid delusions of the left. You guys see boogeymen everywhere. How do you sleep at night when you know the racist white patriarchy is out there castrating gays and chaining women to ovens?

I've seen two actual instances of bigotry in this election cycle. Black Lives Matter on the left and some really nasty anti-Semitism on the alt-right.

You may need glasses.
 

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How do these facts differ from the last thirty years of presidential elections?

Not much difference other than George W. making an effort to gain the support of Hispanics. After Romney lost, I thought the Republicans had learned that it would take a perfect storm for them to win a national election unless they widened their base of support by toning down their rhetoric. You can't offend every group except white males and hope to be a viable party in the future. Like it or not, these other groups are increasing not only their percentage of the population as a whole, but also their willingness to be participants in the process.

The Republicans have three options.

1. Become more inclusive or continue to lose national elections and gradually the local elections as well
2. Find a way to prevent or discourage non-whites from voting
3. Cease to exist as a party

Right now, they have chosen option #2, which they've attempted to do by restricting voting days/hours, limiting voter registration options like same day registration, introducing legislation designed to create long lines in minority voting precincts, requiring specific types of voter ID that are more difficult for some to obtain, undoing or failing to renew voting rights legislation, preventing party-line voting options, making it more difficult to obtain absentee ballots, etc.
 

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Not much difference other than George W. making an effort to gain the support of Hispanics. After Romney lost, I thought the Republicans had learned that it would take a perfect storm for them to win a national election unless they widened their base of support by toning down their rhetoric. You can't offend every group except white males and hope to be a viable party in the future. Like it or not, these other groups are increasing not only their percentage of the population as a whole, but also their willingness to be participants in the process.

The Republicans have three options.

1. Become more inclusive or continue to lose national elections and gradually the local elections as well
2. Find a way to prevent or discourage non-whites from voting
3. Cease to exist as a party

Right now, they have chosen option #2, which they've attempted to do by restricting voting days/hours, limiting voter registration options like same day registration, introducing legislation designed to create long lines in minority voting precincts, requiring specific types of voter ID that are more difficult for some to obtain, undoing or failing to renew voting rights legislation, preventing party-line voting options, making it more difficult to obtain absentee ballots, etc.

SMDH
 

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Not much difference other than George W. making an effort to gain the support of Hispanics. After Romney lost, I thought the Republicans had learned that it would take a perfect storm for them to win a national election unless they widened their base of support by toning down their rhetoric. You can't offend every group except white males and hope to be a viable party in the future. Like it or not, these other groups are increasing not only their percentage of the population as a whole, but also their willingness to be participants in the process.
What an ignorant comment, and a big problem with the left in general. People aren't groups, they're individuals. Not every black person thinks they're being suppressed by institutional racism. Not every Hispanic person supports the millions of people who came to this country illegally or who came legally and didn't go home when they were supposed to.

Women are the biggest one that Democrats like to lump in a group. My wife votes as an American, not as a woman. She cares about the economy, national security, and individual liberty. Democrats think every woman votes with her vagina and not her brain. I don't know any women who vote because they're pro-abortion or want free birth control. But maybe you and I associate with a different class of female.

The Republicans have three options.

1. Become more inclusive or continue to lose national elections and gradually the local elections as well
2. Find a way to prevent or discourage non-whites from voting
3. Cease to exist as a party
The Republicans nominated the worst candidate in the history of modern presidential politics, and they're winning

Right now, they have chosen option #2, which they've attempted to do by restricting voting days/hours, limiting voter registration options like same day registration, introducing legislation designed to create long lines in minority voting precincts, requiring specific types of voter ID that are more difficult for some to obtain, undoing or failing to renew voting rights legislation, preventing party-line voting options, making it more difficult to obtain absentee ballots, etc.
Sweet Jesus you're utterly clueless.
 
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This is the kind of misinformation that is constantly thrown at the Clintons. Not many couples could have survived the marital scrutiny the Clintons underwent in the 1990's. They decided to stay married despite Bill's widely publicized infidelity. The nature of their personal relationship is none of our business. And there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that they were not loving parents to Chelsea.

If you differ with the Clinton's on policy, let's hear some specifics and we can debate whether or not their policies are good or bad for the country. We can judge their parenting skills by how well their daughter presents herself. From here, it looks as though Chelsea is doing just fine. As a parent, I have learned that you can only point the way. Your children will choose their own direction. The parental guidance of Bill and Hillary has enabled Chelsea to make some excellent decisions.

Sure they can stay together, I really don't care. It would have been political suicide for Hillary if they had divorced. Perhaps it was a compromise, Bill gets to screw around and in turn helps HRC with here career. Were you actually expecting Chelsea to give any other type of speech? I did more then point my kids in the right direction. I nurtured them and provided guidance, then let them make their own decisions. Tough thing to do when your parents are gone all the time and your at boarding school.
 

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Not much difference other than George W. making an effort to gain the support of Hispanics. After Romney lost, I thought the Republicans had learned that it would take a perfect storm for them to win a national election unless they widened their base of support by toning down their rhetoric. You can't offend every group except white males and hope to be a viable party in the future. Like it or not, these other groups are increasing not only their percentage of the population as a whole, but also their willingness to be participants in the process.

The Republicans have three options.

1. Become more inclusive or continue to lose national elections and gradually the local elections as well
2. Find a way to prevent or discourage non-whites from voting
3. Cease to exist as a party

Right now, they have chosen option #2, which they've attempted to do by restricting voting days/hours, limiting voter registration options like same day registration, introducing legislation designed to create long lines in minority voting precincts, requiring specific types of voter ID that are more difficult for some to obtain, undoing or failing to renew voting rights legislation, preventing party-line voting options, making it more difficult to obtain absentee ballots, etc.

Why bother concern trolling? If Republicans are all racists, misogynists and homophobes, then it's a good thing the GOP is self-destructing, right? Wrong Side of History™ and all that...
 

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Not much difference other than George W. making an effort to gain the support of Hispanics. After Romney lost, I thought the Republicans had learned that it would take a perfect storm for them to win a national election unless they widened their base of support by toning down their rhetoric. You can't offend every group except white males and hope to be a viable party in the future. Like it or not, these other groups are increasing not only their percentage of the population as a whole, but also their willingness to be participants in the process.

The Republicans have three options.

1. Become more inclusive or continue to lose national elections and gradually the local elections as well
2. Find a way to prevent or discourage non-whites from voting
3. Cease to exist as a party

Right now, they have chosen option #2, which they've attempted to do by restricting voting days/hours, limiting voter registration options like same day registration, introducing legislation designed to create long lines in minority voting precincts, requiring specific types of voter ID that are more difficult for some to obtain, undoing or failing to renew voting rights legislation, preventing party-line voting options, making it more difficult to obtain absentee ballots, etc.

The truth is the GOP could be running a Carson/Rubio ticket right now and two things would still happen - the white male vote would tilt in favor the of the GOP and the left would still accuse the GOP of not being "inclusive".
 

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Why bother concern trolling? If Republicans are all racists, misogynists and homophobes, then it's a good thing the GOP is self-destructing, right? Wrong Side of History™ and all that...
I don't like dismissing the "Wrong Side of History" argument so flippantly. I think it applies to the abortion issue more than it's ever applied to anything.
 

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I can't speak for anyone else, but her unfavorability with me is about none of what you just wrote. It's about her being a bought and paid for politician that makes no bones about her corruption and thinks she is above consequences because she has powerful and influential friends. I think she has shat on the poor, the middle class, minorities, veterans, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines; and then tried to portray herself as those same groups' savior. In short, I don't favor corrupt charlatans, which HRC is the very definition of.

Couldn't agree more with this statement. Dems are phenomenal at disconnecting rhetoric with reality - pander, pander, pander and then abuse those that voted for you. If Obama - who we should all be able to agree - is more inclined to work on these issues did NOTHING to address them and in many cases made them worse - how can anyone believe HRC is going to keep any of these "promises"? It is no leap in logic to think she will abuse the lower class more than she will help them and continue to line her pockets (and her cronies pockets) at their expense.
 

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I can't speak for anyone else, but her unfavorability with me is about none of what you just wrote. It's about her being a bought and paid for politician that makes no bones about her corruption and thinks she is above consequences because she has powerful and influential friends. I think she has shat on the poor, the middle class, minorities, veterans, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines; and then tried to portray herself as those same groups' savior. In short, I don't favor corrupt charlatans, which HRC is the very definition of.

Sweet message!!! Crooked Hitlary s**ks!
 
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