2016 Presidential Horse Race

[gkIrish]

I'm wondering if any of the Sanders supporters are disappointed in his rigorous endorsement of Clinton?

Sanders stood for:

Being against Wall Street: Rigorously endorses Clinton, who is joined at the hip with Wall Street.

Being against the corruption in Washington: endorses the most politically corrupt candidate since.......................... Bill Clinton?

It seems to me that Sanders abandoned just about everything he stood for, to endorse Clinton. I get the "party unity" thing, but Sanders was also supposed to be a guy who would put the "little people" first. Now he is just doing what every other career politician would do. He could easily scream from the mountaintops about how bad Trump is, without talking up Hillary. I think you just have to wonder if Sanders hasn't turned out to be just like almost every other politician, and traded his support for some kind of deal that enriches him?

I think he knows his supporters aren't going to vote for Hillary just because he speaks negatively about Trump. He had to convince them to vote for her to prevent a Trump victory.

 

[GoIrish41]

You don't have to endorse Clinton, to work against Trump.

You do when she is the only viable alternative in the election. If he convinces people to vote for Clinton, they won't vote for Trump.

 

[kmoose]

You do when she is the only viable alternative in the election. If he convinces people to vote for Clinton, they won't vote for Trump.

If he convinces people not to vote for Trump, they won't vote for Trump.

I have no idea what Sanders may, or may not, be getting from this deal. But if Hillary gets elected, and Sanders ends up as, say................... SecState?.............. then I WILL know, and so will all of the Bernie Bros, who will still claim that he is a maverick independent.

 

[GATTACA!]

Trump left out of Google search for presidential candidates

Gary Johnson is also left out. Plus Trump is removed from most autofill searches.

 

[dublinirish]

Watch Bernie Sanders's Delegate Brother Larry Sanders Emotionally Cast His Floor Vote For Bernie

touching moment there from the original Bernie Bro

 

[Wild Bill]

Trump left out of Google search for presidential candidates

Gary Johnson is also left out. Plus Trump is removed from most autofill searches.

I'm confident our so called journalists will hold Google's feet to the fire on this one. They're probably shaking in fear right now.

 

[gkIrish]

Trump left out of Google search for presidential candidates

Gary Johnson is also left out. Plus Trump is removed from most autofill searches.

Wow just tried it. It's true. Smh.

 

[dublinirish]

House of Cards had a similar storyline too? Where Underwood had an Internet search engine manipulate search results in his favour?

 

[woolybug25]

You don't have to endorse Clinton, to work against Trump.

You don't? If stopping Trump is the priority, how exactly do you accomplish that without Hillary being elected?

 

[IrishLax]

Trump left out of Google search for presidential candidates

Gary Johnson is also left out. Plus Trump is removed from most autofill searches.

This is the most corrupt election cycle in recent memory and the corrupt candidate is going to win and nobody gives a fuck. Remember, part of the DNC leak too is how they used the media to steer towards Trump because he'd be easiest to beat.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

If he convinces people not to vote for Trump, they won't vote for Trump.

I have no idea what Sanders may, or may not, be getting from this deal. But if Hillary gets elected, and Sanders ends up as, say................... SecState?.............. then I WILL know, and so will all of the Bernie Bros, who will still claim that he is a maverick independent.

Why would HRC appoint Bernie her Sec State when they completely disagree on those policy ideals?

Bernie's ENTIRE political career and primary campaign has been centered around a grassroots movement towards a more progressive agenda that 1) looks out for the little people 2) ends corporate greed combined with ending political corruption 3) creates a nation of equality and peacefulness. You can argue the pathway towards those goals all you want, but the message is clear when he speaks of his vision for America.

With the above stated, Bernie's support for HRC come across as a complete sell-out. But 1) he's trying to avoid a Trump presidency and 2) it's a stepping stone for his movement. ie the Dem platform is the most progressive one in a long time. Small victories for the Bern.

 

[dublinirish]

Why would HRC appoint Bernie her Sec State when they completely disagree on those policy ideals?

Bernie's ENTIRE political career and primary campaign has been centered around a grassroots movement towards a more progressive agenda that 1) looks out for the little people 2) ends corporate greed combined with ending political corruption 3) creates a nation of equality and peacefulness. You can argue the pathway towards those goals all you want, but the message is clear when he speaks of his vision for America.

With the above stated, Bernie's support for HRC come across as a complete sell-out. But 1) he's trying to avoid a Trump presidency and 2) it's a stepping stone for his movement. ie the Dem platform is the most progressive one in a long time. Small victories for the Bern.

yup and Bernie said at the beginning it wasn't about him. What he needs now is to select his successor once this election is over and keep the members of his faction together.

 

[kmoose]

With the above stated, Bernie's support for HRC come across as a complete sell-out. But 1) he's trying to avoid a Trump presidency and 2) it's a stepping stone for his movement. ie the Dem platform is the most progressive one in a long time. Small victories for the Bern.

1) If College football polls have taught us ANYTHING, it's that you don't have to endorse one thing, to defeat another. You don't have to endorse THE Ohio State University's pathetic schedule, if you can just impugn Auburn's weak ass wins and highlight that their one loss was worse than OSU's one loss.

2) What has Sanders contributed to the Democratic platform, that wasn't there before he came along?

 

[GoIrish41]

If he convinces people not to vote for Trump, they won't vote for Trump.

I have no idea what Sanders may, or may not, be getting from this deal. But if Hillary gets elected, and Sanders ends up as, say................... SecState?.............. then I WILL know, and so will all of the Bernie Bros, who will still claim that he is a maverick independent.

Think of it like a win, tie, loss scenario.

A win is when you get the vote and your opponent doesn't

A tie does nothing. Your opponent doesn't get the vote, but neither do you. Not helpful to your election but no harm done.

A loss gives your opponent the win.

It's not enough to tie. It won't help your cause. Only wins can change results. So it isn't enough that Jill Stein or Gary Johnson gets the protest votes and Trump does not. Clinton wants to take wins from Trump and make them wins for her. That's how elections are won.

 

[kmoose]

Think of it like a win, tie, loss scenario.

A win is when you get the vote and your opponent doesn't

A tie does nothing. Your opponent doesn't get the vote, but neither do you. Not helpful to your election but no harm done.

A loss gives your opponent the win.

It's not enough to tie. It won't help your cause. Only wins can change results. So it isn't enough that Jill Stein or Gary Johnson gets the protest votes and Trump does not. Clinton wants to take wins from Trump and make them wins for her. That's how elections are won.

So you admit that Sanders sold out? That he is now endorsing the woman he has been saying is bad for America, for the last year or so? So he's not a man of principle, but just like every other politician.

BTW, if the idea is that Trump doesn't win, a tie is just fine. A tie means Trump did not win. Only if your goal is a Clinton win does a tie matter.

 

[gkIrish]

Fully endorse the Alternative Vote. It has problems, but it's better than our current system.

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Trump very likely does not win under this system because primary voters who supported Bush or Rubio or Cruz or Kasich would likely not have put Trump on their ballot as #2.

 

[connor_in]

Technically, HRC's official nomination last night is historic. But how come the only people moved by it are the true HRC supporters and the media (sorry I repeated myself there).

She's just been around so long (because she knows where the bodies are buried? metaphorically?) and she was supposed to be the shoe in for it in 2008 and historically blew it I think are the biggest reasons. Other reasons I believe are that because her negatives are so high and she has such an off putting personality image, much less that a large number of people feel she gets away with things that others would not.

thoughts?

 

[irishfan]

There is so much evidence that Google, FB, Twitter are all out to help Clinton. FB/Twitter were censoring the Wikileaks DNC Leak until they got called out on it.

There have been countless examples of pro-Trump trending hashtags being erased from the trending list this whole election. Lots of little things used to try and slow him down.

 

[IrishLax]

Fully endorse the Alternative Vote. It has problems, but it's better than our current system.

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Trump very likely does not win under this system because primary voters who supported Bush or Rubio or Cruz or Kasich would likely not have put Trump on their ballot as #2.

IMO, plurality runoff is the way to go for primaries... and/or the general if we got rid of the stupid AF electoral college.

 

[GoIrish41]

So you admit that Sanders sold out? That he is now endorsing the woman he has been saying is bad for America, for the last year or so? So he's not a man of principle, but just like every other politician.

BTW, if the idea is that Trump doesn't win, a tie is just fine. A tie means Trump did not win. Only if your goal is a Clinton win does a tie matter.

Sanders isn't the pie in the sky, utopian doofus that the right paints him as being. He's a practical politician who ran and lost, and he used the support he gathered in the primaries to bend the vision of the party closer to his own and of his supporters. The amount of respect he has been given by the Clinton campaign during this convention is a pretty good indication of the amount of clout he has built in the past year. He has exposed within the Democratic party the reality of a much larger liberal concentration than anyone imagined a year ago, and he has given them a legitimate voice within the party -- a voice that the moderate Democratic establishment cannot afford to ignore. He has invigorated young people to get involved and to make their case for a better future. That support is critical to the success or failure of the Democratic party not only in this election, but for many cycles to come. The Berners are the future of the Democratic Party -- active and involved in the development and support of policies that will affect their future. Sell out? I'm not sure that is a fair characterization of his actions toward Clinton. He used the system to bend the direction of the party toward the will of his supporters, and he has thrown his support behind the candidate who has listened and will carry their message into the general election. That doesn't seem like selling out to me. That seems like measured, practical leadership.

 

[IrishLax]

There is so much evidence that Google, FB, Twitter are all out to help Clinton. FB/Twitter were censoring the Wikileaks DNC Leak until they got called out on it.

There have been countless examples of pro-Trump trending hashtags being erased from the trending list this whole election. Lots of little things used to try and slow him down.

No shock that all three are globalists corporations that can only sustain/grow their businesses with pro-globalist policies.

 

[yankeehater]

I refuse to call this click-bait link a "story". When did journalism fall to the lowest common denominator of just posting a page of tweets as a "story"?

I know nobody expects Young Conservative to be a pillar of real journalism, but hell.., do those dudes get paid to "write" those stories? If so, I'm in the wrong business.

Your point does not change the fact some of those tweets are pretty damn funny.

I am sure you have never used similar sights with a leftist view which probably encompass 99% of those in existence.

 

[gkIrish]

IMO, plurality runoff is the way to go for primaries... and/or the general if we got rid of the stupid AF electoral college.

Doesn't plurality runoff* function the same way as the alternative vote? The alternative vote just skips the necessity of going to the polls again.

*based on my memory only

 

[IrishLax]

Doesn't plurality runoff* function the same way as the alternative vote? The alternative vote just skips the necessity of going to the polls again.

*based on my memory only

The drawback to alternative vote is that in practice it's way too hard for a large electorate to actually execute correctly. The sheer amount of added time it would take on election day for people to rank all their preference is a hurdle, and then there's the whole mass of people too stupid to understand how to do it that would bog it all down.

Plurality runoff (in "primary season" at least) would work if the system was reorganized... instead of a bunch of Tuesdays, stretched out over months you could have a nationwide primary day at the start that pairs it down to maybe 3-5 candidates a side. Then you have a break of one month for debates, then you do it again. Then you have a top two and do another break of one month, and then the nominee is one of those two in the final go round.

It would deemphasize "early" states and fix like 99.9% of the problems with caucuses and primaries and all that other broken shit that gave us Trump/Clinton.

 

[kmoose]

Sanders isn't the pie in the sky, utopian doofus that the right paints him as being.

I don't disagree. I never said he was. But he also isn't this maverick outsider that the left has been trying to portray him as. He's a guy who has amassed a significant net worth, working almost exclusively as a politician. And he is showing, right now, that like almost every other politician, he will do whatever is most convenient for him, principles be damned.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

1) If College football polls have taught us ANYTHING, it's that you don't have to endorse one thing, to defeat another. You don't have to endorse THE Ohio State University's pathetic schedule, if you can just impugn Auburn's weak ass wins and highlight that their one loss was worse than OSU's one loss.

2) What has Sanders contributed to the Democratic platform, that wasn't there before he came along?

Bernie Sanders moved Democrats to the left. The platform is proof. - Vox

 

[dublinirish]

I don't disagree. I never said he was. But he also isn't this maverick outsider that the left has been trying to portray him as. He's a guy who has amassed a significant net worth, working almost exclusively as a politician. And he is showing, right now, that like almost every other politician, he will do whatever is most convenient for him, principles be damned.

ah c'mon now bernie aint rich

 

[RDU Irish]

Plenty of times...........

THE CLINTON BODY-COUNT | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

I will forever believe Obama would have been six feet under in no time if he had selected Hillary as VP. I have little doubt this was a consideration in keeping her off the ticket.

Britt Hume's son - didn't know that he "committed suicide". I will definitely keep that in mind when I see him report on this race.

Hey Buster - I know vote fraud is fake but...

Seth Conrad Rich

DNC Voter Expansion Data Director

Died: July 10, 2016

Seth Conrad Rich was shot several times a block from his home in D.C.'s neighborhood of Bloomingdale. He had been working on vote fraud allegations during the 2016 Democratic primaries. He would have been a key witness in the lawsuits filed against the DNC, DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Shultz, and the Hillary Clinton campaign over massive election fraud during the 2016 Democratic primaries.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I thought that "Clinton Body Count" had been debunked?

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[kmoose]

ah c'mon now bernie aint rich

Meet Bernie Sanders, the Six-Figure Socialist - Fortune