2016 Presidential Horse Race

[phgreek]

If this election comes down to the independents, Hillary could be in trouble. According to this poll, 63% of them think she should be indicted.

Most Disagree with Decision Not to Indict Clinton - Rasmussen Reports™

love to see it...but won't last. The Clintons know how to ignore shit then claim it is old news...and people go ...yea, I'm sick of hearing about this. If anything the Clintons perfected the art of manipulating our national ADD. shrug.

 

[Irish YJ]

love to see it...but won't last. The Clintons know how to ignore shit then claim it is old news...and people go ...yea, I'm sick of hearing about this. If anything the Clintons perfected the art of manipulating our national ADD. shrug.

yes, and simply, people are dumb

 

[NorthDakota]

The left does believe in accountability, but at some point you've got to accept the fact that what you thought you might find was not there. How many investigations has the right held on the Clintons? The result is always the same. Political maneuvering behind the scenes? Yes, but no more so than other politicians. Criminal acts? Nothing has been found, and it certainly isn't for the lack of trying. Millions have been spent investigating the Clintons. If you really want to conduct a bipartisan investigation into who is putting classified information at risk, you better investigate every Senator, Congressman, or Bureacrat with any access to the information, and do so with the same determination you went after the Clintons. Let's investigate all of their e-mail and recorded conversations. Let interview all of their staffs. And let's not just do it once, let's do it 8 or 9 times. To single out only Bill or Hillary Clinton every time there is an election, is to invite claims of partisanship.

To get the ball rolling let's begin the indepth, Clinton-like investigations with Donald Trump and those most likely to run for president in the future: Ryan, Booker, Rubio, Castro, Cruz, Kerry, Fiorina, Warren, etc. They have to agree to let a committee led by the other party examine all their e-mails and listen to all their recorded conversations or they are automatically eliminated for consideration for an elected or appointed office.

lol you serious?

 

[no.1IrishFan]

This was the top comment on Trumps recent post about the Dallas shootings. These are the people voting for him.

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[ACamp1900]

This was the top comment on Trumps recent post about the Dallas shootings. These are the people voting for him.




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eh, all the moveon.org crowd are voting for Clinton and they have morons among them who are pretty embarrassing with their endless conspiracy theories too....

 

[wizards8507]

This was the top comment on Trumps recent post about the Dallas shootings. These are the people voting for him.

What do you think "community organizers" do? This is Chicago underworld politics 101. I know you sleep better at night thinking our political leaders are above fomenting insurrection, but you need to wake up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

 

[Emcee77]

What do you think "community organizers" do? This is Chicago underworld politics 101. I know you sleep better at night thinking our political leaders are above fomenting insurrection, but you need to wake up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

Wut? I've read this book. I don't see the connection to the Facebook post no.1IrishFan re-posted. Was there a part about wacko conspiracy theories that I'm forgetting?

 

[wizards8507]

Wut? I've read this book. I don't see the connection to the Facebook post no.1IrishFan re-posted. Was there a part about wacko conspiracy theories that I'm forgetting?

There is a large infrastructure of political machinations at the federal, state, and local levels that are coordinating the Black Lives Matter and other allegedly "grass roots" groups. Think something like ACORN. No, I do not believe Huma Abedin picked up a phone and said "murder police to distract from the allegations that Mrs. Clinton committed perjury," but I absolutely do believe that lower-level operatives in the progressive machine were planning something like this for awhile and that the confluence of events in Louisiana, Minnesota, and Washington prompted the green light to be given in Dallas last night.

 

[ND NYC]

There is a large infrastructure of political machinations at the federal, state, and local levels that are coordinating the Black Lives Matter and other allegedly "grass roots" groups. Think something like ACORN. No, I do not believe Huma Abedin picked up a phone and said "murder police to distract from the allegations that Mrs. Clinton committed perjury," but I absolutely do believe that lower-level operatives in the progressive machine were planning something like this for awhile and that the confluence of events in Louisiana, Minnesota, and Washington prompted the green light to be given in Dallas last night.

so You actually believe the Dallas shootings were planned, coordinated and carried out by Democrats?

sad if true...thought you were smarter than that Wiz.

 

[wizards8507]

so You actually believe the Dallas shootings were planned, coordinated and carried out by Democrats?

sad if true...thought you were smarter than that Wiz.

Of course they were! Obama had Black Lives Matter people at the fucking White House. Hillary Clinton was tweeting Black Lives Matter YESTERDAY. BLM has been identified as a hate group by anyone with half a brain for months. Any claim that this violence was NOT caused by BLM is the No True Scotsman fallacy.

 

[Buster Bluth]

What do you think "community organizers" do?

Give under-represented communities a voice in government proceedings? Do you need a lost of all the poor neighborhoods demolished by the federal government to put highways down? The government basically vaporized large swaths of our cities until people started organizing. When you don't have money to buy government influence, you have to organize.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Of course they were! Obama had Black Lives Matter people at the fucking White House. Hillary Clinton was tweeting Black Lives Matter YESTERDAY. BLM has been identified as a hate group by anyone with half a brain for months. Any claim that this violence was NOT caused by BLM is the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Smdh.

 

[Emcee77]

Give under-represented communities a voice in government proceedings? Do you need a lost of all the poor neighborhoods demolished by the federal government to put highways down? The government basically vaporized large swaths of our cities until people started organizing. When you don't have money to buy government influence, you have to organize.

Exactly. Housing issues are exhibit A for community organizers. Community organizers teach poor people how to get noticed and make their voices heard, which is something that takes some strategy to do because the poor and (individually) powerless are easy for those in positions of power to ignore unless they unite.

 

[wizards8507]

Give under-represented communities a voice in government proceedings? Do you need a lost of all the poor neighborhoods demolished by the federal government to put highways down? The government basically vaporized large swaths of our cities until people started organizing. When you don't have money to buy government influence, you have to organize.

Exactly. Housing issues are exhibit A for community organizers. Community organizers teach poor people how to get noticed and make their voices heard, which is something that takes some strategy to do because the poor and (individually) powerless are easy for those in positions of power to ignore unless they unite.

You guys can't be serious. These are the intellectual successors of the Weather Underground and the New Black Panthers.

 

[gkIrish]

You guys can't be serious. These are the intellectual successors of the Weather Underground and the New Black Panthers.

Just curious....what group protesting for race equality would you not label as racist or portray negatively? Give me an example.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

love to see it...but won't last. The Clintons know how to ignore shit then claim it is old news...and people go ...yea, I'm sick of hearing about this. If anything the Clintons perfected the art of manipulating our national ADD. shrug.

Um there's this guy named Donald Trump and he makes the Clintons look like amateur hour in that regard.

 

[wizards8507]

Just curious....what group protesting for race equality would you not label as racist or portray negatively? Give me an example.

I'll put it this way. I don't think the members of the Black Lives Matter movement are racist. I think they honestly believe that skin color is a determining factor in the criminal justice system in this country. I happen to think they're mistaken, but I believe they hold those views in good faith and are protesting to bring about change that they think legitimately needs to happen.

My problem is with many of the leaders of these groups who spread lies and misinformation to rile up the folks to suit their political agendas. For example, how many people still think "hands up, don't shoot" was a real thing and that Michael Brown was shot in the back with his hands in the air as he begged for his life? These kinds of lies from the media and activist groups do nothing but spread fear and anger while masking legitimate grievances.

Please don't dismiss this article just because it's from Breitbart. I tried to find the CNN clip but all I could find was this Breitbart article discussing the CNN clip.

CNN Tries to Correct the Record on 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot'

 

[woolybug25]

I'll put it this way. I don't think the members of the Black Lives Matter movement are racist. I think they honestly believe that skin color is a determining factor in the criminal justice system in this country. I happen to think they're mistaken, but I believe they hold those views in good faith and are protesting to bring about change that they think legitimately needs to happen.

My problem is with many of the leaders of these groups who spread lies and misinformation to rile up the folks to suit their political agendas. For example, how many people still think "hands up, don't shoot" was a real thing and that Michael Brown was shot in the back with his hands in the air as he begged for his life? These kinds of lies from the media and activist groups do nothing but spread fear and anger while masking legitimate grievances.

Please don't dismiss this article just because it's from Breitbart. I tried to find the CNN clip but all I could find was this Breitbart article discussing the CNN clip.

CNN Tries to Correct the Record on 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot'

So you can't think of any groups protesting for race equality that aren't racist?

 

[wizards8507]

So you can't think of any groups protesting for race equality that aren't racist?

I don't think I can name many groups protesting for race equality, period, racist or otherwise. It's not how I spend my time. I couldn't tell you the names of very many conservative groups or pro-family groups or any other kinds of groups whether I agree with their message or not. I'm not a joiner of "causes," I just live my life. If a group hasn't been in national headlines, I've probably never heard of it.

Regardless, I've lived 27 years without witnessing a single second of racism in this country (outside of isolated incidents that make the news), so it's kind of a moot point. In every material sense, race equality has been achieved in this country so I don't see much use in protesting for it.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I don't think I can name many groups protesting for race equality, period, racist or otherwise. It's not how I spend my time. I couldn't tell you the names of very many conservative groups or pro-family groups or any other kinds of groups whether I agree with their message or not. I'm not a joiner of "causes," I just live my life. If a group hasn't been in national headlines, I've probably never heard of it.

Regardless, I've lived 27 years without witnessing a single second of racism in this country (outside of isolated incidents that make the news), so it's kind of a moot point. In every material sense, race equality has been achieved in this country so I don't see much use in protesting for it.

Holy shit.

Ho-ly shit.

I mean, wow. I don't have the time. I;ll just say you have lived a sheltered life my man. A very sheltered life.

 

[woolybug25]

I don't think I can name many groups protesting for race equality, period, racist or otherwise. It's not how I spend my time. I couldn't tell you the names of very many conservative groups or pro-family groups or any other kinds of groups whether I agree with their message or not. I'm not a joiner of "causes," I just live my life. If a group hasn't been in national headlines, I've probably never heard of it.

Regardless, I've lived 27 years without witnessing a single second of racism in this country (outside of isolated incidents that make the news), so it's kind of a moot point. In every material sense, race equality has been achieved in this country so I don't see much use in protesting for it.

You have never, in your entire life, ever seen something racist? That's unbelievable.

You're either lying, completely unaware of your surroundings or willfully ignoring day to day life. I find it hard to believe that you have never heard someone call a black person a n***er. I find it hard to believe that you haven't seen a white person scared by the mere presence of a black male. I find it hard to believe that you have never had even a second hand account of racism. You must be the only person in America with that level of luck.

 

[gkIrish]

I don't think I can name many groups protesting for race equality, period, racist or otherwise. It's not how I spend my time. I couldn't tell you the names of very many conservative groups or pro-family groups or any other kinds of groups whether I agree with their message or not. I'm not a joiner of "causes," I just live my life. If a group hasn't been in national headlines, I've probably never heard of it.

Regardless, I've lived 27 years without witnessing a single second of racism in this country (outside of isolated incidents that make the news), so it's kind of a moot point. In every material sense, race equality has been achieved in this country so I don't see much use in protesting for it.

You've never heard someone call a black guy a n**ger? Never heard someone tell a black joke? Never heard someone complain about Obama because he's black?

If that's true, you live a very sheltered life.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Holy shit.

Ho-ly shit.

I mean, wow. I don't have the time. I;ll just say you have lived a sheltered life my man. A very sheltered life.

That may be the case, but talk it through with him! The "OMG he's really who I think he is" response is getting old.

I'm sure he knows what he is supposed to think. Tell him why what he's supposed to think is actually true. It is a lot of the time, but there is way too much assuming the other side is either ignorant, stupid, or wicked these days.

(I understand I'm jumping in the middle here, this is not really aimed at you specifically, LA).

You have never, in your entire life, ever seen something racist? That's unbelievable.

You're either lying, completely unaware of your surroundings or willfully ignoring day to day life. I find it hard to believe that you have never heard someone call a black person a n***er. I find it hard to believe that you haven't seen a white person scared by the mere presence of a black male. I find it hard to believe that you have never had even a second hand account of racism. You must be the only person in America with that level of luck.

Is that the standard, though? Our nation will have solved the race issues we have when no individual ever does anything racist. So one person, or one group of people, can keep the issue permanently alive?

The standard can't be perfection. There are different ways of measuring it: equality under the law; achieving certain offices; destruction of certain discriminatory practices. But they are ultimately subjective.

I am not agreeing with Wizard. I think there are a lot of race issues in this country. But I also think that they are not all diagnosed correctly, and are not be tackled effectively as a result, though.

 

[GoIrish41]

I don't think I can name many groups protesting for race equality, period, racist or otherwise. It's not how I spend my time. I couldn't tell you the names of very many conservative groups or pro-family groups or any other kinds of groups whether I agree with their message or not. I'm not a joiner of "causes," I just live my life. If a group hasn't been in national headlines, I've probably never heard of it.

Regardless, I've lived 27 years without witnessing a single second of racism in this country (outside of isolated incidents that make the news), so it's kind of a moot point. In every material sense, race equality has been achieved in this country so I don't see much use in protesting for it.

Race problems are not a thing as far as you know in Connecticut so it must be the same everywhere. Forget that there are like 7 black people, 4 Latinos and one Korean guy living in that state. You need to get out in the world.

 

[gkIrish]

Race problems are not a thing as far as you know in Connecticut so it must be the same everywhere. Forget that there are like 7 black people, 4 Latinos and one Korean guy living in that state. You need to get out in the world.

Well don't go stereotyping now. Danbury, Bridgeport and Hartford have huge minority populations. Wealthy, white CT is certainly the norm but there are big cities in that state that are extremely diverse.

 

[wizards8507]

You have never, in your entire life, ever seen something racist? That's unbelievable.

You're either lying, completely unaware of your surroundings or willfully ignoring day to day life. I find it hard to believe that you have never heard someone call a black person a n***er. I find it hard to believe that you haven't seen a white person scared by the mere presence of a black male. I find it hard to believe that you have never had even a second hand account of racism. You must be the only person in America with that level of luck.

Other than on TV? Nope.

Now that I think of it, I think my grandma may have said she wished a Mexican woman would "talk American" at a Wendy's one time, but that was more xenophobia than racism. We're pretty civilized here in New England. People generally get along and the racists are dying off.

 

[gkIrish]

I live a sheltered life

FIFY

 

[woolybug25]

That may be the case, but talk it through with him! The "OMG he's really who I think he is" response is getting old.

I'm sure he knows what he is supposed to think. Tell him why what he's supposed to think is actually true. It is a lot of the time, but there is way too much assuming the other side is either ignorant, stupid, or wicked these days.

I think it's getting old that under a banner of "anti PC" people can say stupid shit like "I have never seen anything racist in my entire life" and we are supposed to let them explain. That somehow it's not acceptable to simply take an ignorant comment for what it is, an ignorant comment. When did it become okay to not have to answer for the things you actually say? It seems like anyone with something offensive to say has a free pass to do so while anybody that disagrees has to take a time out and let them rephrase before responding. It's ludicrous.

 

[wizards8507]

You've never heard someone call a black guy a n**ger?

Sure, other black guys.

Never heard someone tell a black joke?

Sure, black people.

Never heard someone complain about Obama because he's black?

Not once. Unless you count "I'm sick of being called a racist because I disagree with Obama on policies."

Race problems are not a thing as far as you know in Connecticut so it must be the same everywhere. Forget that there are like 7 black people, 4 Latinos and one Korean guy living in that state.

Wow, now THAT'S a racist comment. White people are fine with minorities as long as they don't have to live with them, is that your position?

You need to get out in the world.

Why? The rest of the world are slaughtering each other in the streets. Fuck that.

 

[woolybug25]

Other than on TV? Nope.

Now that I think of it, I think my grandma may have said she wished a Mexican woman would "talk American" at a Wendy's one time, but that was more xenophobia than racism. We're pretty civilized here in New England. People generally get along and the racists are dying off.

I'm sorry, but I simply don't believe you. I think you're lying.