2016 Presidential Horse Race

[johnnycando]

Bye Felicia.

Celebs who said they’d leave country if Trump won | TheHill

 

[fightingirish26]

I've been wondering the same thing. He's pretty nice to the gay folks....I think they've just been brainwashed.

I think it has to do with pence being vp

 

[Bluto]

By supporting the deregulation of the energy industry.?...uhhh yeah, if that hurts other people's feelings they can go hug a tree.

Oil & Coal are big in ND.

To Cak's point, fishing used to be bigger than big on both coasts. The Pacific salmon and the Atlantic blue fin tuna are more likely than not headed for extinction within my kids lifetime. The pacific salmon fleet in California used to provide thousands of blue collar jobs. I suppose fishermen should hug a salmon or tuna sooner rather than later and kiss that lifestyle/line of work goodbye.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Has he said anything at all that was perceived to be anti-homosexual or anti-black?

Hispanics, women, Muslims I get it. But what are blacks and gays worried about?

This was right after Obergefell came out.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Once again the Bush appointed Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has let us down. Jeb pushed him hard! Remember!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/614434531861512193">June 26, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Trump on stop and frisk:

We have a situation where we have our inner cities, African-American, Hispanics, are living in hell because it's so dangerous. You walk down the street, you get shot. In Chicago, they’ve had thousands of shootings, thousands, since January first. Thousands of shootings. And I’m saying where is this? Is this war-torn country? What are we doing? And we had to stop the violence. We have to bring back law in order.

In a place like Chicago, where thousands of people have been killed, thousands over the last number of years, in fact almost four thousand having killed since Barack Obama became president. Over four, almost four thousand people in Chicago have been killed. We have to bring back law and order. Now, whether or not in a place like Chicago, you do stop and frisk which worked very well Mayor Giuliani is here worked very well in New York.

It brought the crime rate way down but you take the gun away from criminals that should be having it. We have gangs roaming the street and in many cases they’re illegally here, illegal immigrants. And they have guns and they shoot people. And we have to be very strong and we have to be very vigilant. We have to be we had to know what we’re doing. Right now our police, in many cases, are afraid to do anything. We have to protect our inner cities because African-American communities are being decimated by crime.

Now you might think Trump is right about what's going on in our cities and that reviving stop and frisk is a good thing. But most black communities sure as hell don't feel that way. Also his portrayal of life in the inner cities as "hell" is some weird cartoon stereotype.

So, yeah- I don't think it's crazy for blacks and gays to be scared. And this doesn't even touch on the rhetoric advanced by Trump's closest supporters.

 

[ACamp1900]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The protest is moving to the Capitol <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ElectionDay?src=hash">#ElectionDay</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Election2016?src=hash">#Election2016</a> <a href="https://t.co/PYlXpd9ZED">pic.twitter.com/PYlXpd9ZED</a></p>— Briana Santiago (@BrianaSantiago) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrianaSantiago/status/796437796919582720">November 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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"Hey hey! Ho ho! Fuck Trump, he's got to go."

Say what you want about Trump, but he has ALL THE BEST enemies. All the people I hate, hate Trump.

I'm guessing maybe as many as four people in that video even bothered to vote...

 

[Irish Insanity]

I'm sure he does troll.

Lololololololol

 

[IrishBroker]

TO change gears from racisim... Trump will suposedly be selecting Myron Ebell to lead his EPA Transistion team. Ebell is probably one of the biggest Climate change skeptics.

President Trump Will Be Awful for Clean Energy, Climate Change Fight

So we can say goodbye to the Paris Accord and any standing we once had with China.
Its entirely possible they will dismantle any regulatory authority the EPA has.
Any support for alternative fuels will go away,
Trump has promised to bring coal jobs back to Kentucky and WV.
Fracking will most likely go faster than ever now...
Any regulations are now up for chopping with the Republican controlling all three branches of government.

I mean, from my perspective (and this is all I will say on this becasue I know several of you will love this and I have no desire to argue a point that will ultimately fall on deaf ears) is if there is a guy to pick that will undoubtedly wreck the EPA and any valid scientifically based policies, it will be Ebell. I cant imagine a worse person to develop policy for the EPA.

This is just the beginning. I know several of you have said that you hope he surround himself with intelligent people but he is not starting off great if this is true. I really think people will regret choosing this man to run the country.

Fortune is a rag....so we really need to know if this is even true.

Also...the EPA is a crock of shit and responsible for some insane legislation and it's own share of environmental disasters. It needs a good kick in the nuts.

And don't get me started on fracking and the myths that moonbeam and the bunch are spreading...or the Paris accord.

 

[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">'No war': This is what a Trump victory means to some Russians <a href="https://t.co/LQhNhyUq74">https://t.co/LQhNhyUq74</a></p>— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/796444587300704256">November 9, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow, <a href="https://twitter.com/davemcclure">@davemcclure</a> has a MELTDOWN on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WebSummit?src=hash">#WebSummit</a> stage over Donald Trump election <a href="https://t.co/aRJmFpYyQA">pic.twitter.com/aRJmFpYyQA</a></p>— Adrian Weckler (@adrianweckler) <a href="https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/796340770282307584">November 9, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[IrishBroker]

This was right after Obergefell came out.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Once again the Bush appointed Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has let us down. Jeb pushed him hard! Remember!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/614434531861512193">June 26, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Trump on stop and frisk:



Now you might think Trump is right about what's going on in our cities and that reviving stop and frisk is a good thing. But most black communities sure as hell don't feel that way. Also his portrayal of life in the inner cities as "hell" is some weird cartoon stereotype.

So, yeah- I don't think it's crazy for blacks and gays to be scared. And this doesn't even touch on the rhetoric advanced by Trump's closest supporters.

Life in the ghetto is absolute hell. Listen to the stories.


So you're telling me that the black community gets to tell everyone how awful they have it in the inner cities and America...but when someone echoes that concern...they're racist?

Gimmie a break. Try again.

 

[ACamp1900]

I have a sick sense of humor... I hear sick senses of humor are being linked to dementia later in life... So there's that...

Anyway, I busted out laughing at this headline, got to love The Onion...

Vessel For Male Sexual Gratification Very Sad Today - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

[ulukinatme]

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It's all funny, but @1:22 is funnier now.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Life in the ghetto is absolute hell. Listen to the stories.


So you're telling me that the black community gets to tell everyone how awful they have it in the inner cities and America...but when someone echoes that concern...they're racist?

Gimmie a break. Try again.

I don't need to listen to the stories because I live in the south side of chicago dude. Literally the ninth circle of trump's perceived hell. I'm sure the "ghetto" sounds super scary to someone living out on the high plains- and to be clear there are serious problems that need to be addressed- but it's not hell. And people sure as hell don't appreciate some billionaire who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth calling their home hell.

Look, I'm responding to a discrete question- why do blacks and gays feel threatened. I'm not making an argument that they should and I'm not looking to argue about substantive policy. My side lost, I get that.

But I've talked to multiple black and hispanic and gay and muslim people who have told me they feel much less welcome in this country today than they did yesterday. Whether right or wrong they interpret this election as a crystal clear message from much of the country that they're not wanted here.

I think it's an overreaction and a product of white-hot campaign rhetoric. But I also don't think it's crazy. Just like many here don't think it's crazy that Obama was racist against whites.

 

[ACamp1900]

The Ann Coulter thing.... Geez, I think that's a real part of the more extreme peps insisting it's all racism, because if you convince yourself the Ann Coulters are evil then no reason to ever apologize or the like....

 

[gkIrish]

Trump on stop and frisk:

Now you might think Trump is right about what's going on in our cities and that reviving stop and frisk is a good thing. But most black communities sure as hell don't feel that way. Also his portrayal of life in the inner cities as "hell" is some weird cartoon stereotype.

So, yeah- I don't think it's crazy for blacks and gays to be scared. And this doesn't even touch on the rhetoric advanced by Trump's closest supporters.

If that quote is the reason blacks are scared then that's plain silly.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Now that the election is over, can we get back to bashing BK and his terrible coaching ability?

Did you see on the presser for Navy when the guy asked him about recruiting for 3-4 or 4-3 that BK said he wasnt going anywhere anytime soon?

Must be nice to completely crap the bed, waste tons of business (college and boosters) resources and still have zero worries about job security.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't need to listen to the stories because I live in the south side of chicago dude. Literally the ninth circle of trump's perceived hell. I'm sure the "ghetto" sounds super scary to someone living out on the high plains- and to be clear there are serious problems that need to be addressed- but it's not hell. And people sure as hell don't appreciate some billionaire who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth calling their home hell.

Look, I'm responding to a discrete question- why do blacks and gays feel threatened. I'm not making an argument that they should and I'm not looking to argue about substantive policy. My side lost, I get that.

But I've talked to multiple black and hispanic and gay and muslim people who have told me they feel much less welcome in this country today than they did yesterday. Whether right or wrong they interpret this election as a crystal clear message from much of the country that they're not wanted here.

I think it's an overreaction and a product of white-hot campaign rhetoric. But I also don't think it's crazy. Just like many here don't think it's crazy that Obama was racist against whites.

Right, like I just got back from the field and there are a lot of Latinos on my work crews legitimately worried about what's going to happen to them.

At the same time, remember that one-third of Latinos voted for Trump. So obviously not everyone shares those misgivings. In fact, I just talked to one guy who voted for Trump specifically because he said he'd put up a wall and -- in his words -- "illegals make us look bad." He's, obviously, here legally.

So there's obviously a wide spectrum of opinions.

 

[NDgradstudent]

This was right after Obergefell came out.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Once again the Bush appointed Supreme Court Justice John Roberts has let us down. Jeb pushed him hard! Remember!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/614434531861512193">June 26, 2015</a></blockquote>
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John Roberts did not vote to impose same-sex marriage in Obergefell. Trump was not talking about Obergefell in this tweet.

Now you might think Trump is right about what's going on in our cities and that reviving stop and frisk is a good thing. But most black communities sure as hell don't feel that way. Also his portrayal of life in the inner cities as "hell" is some weird cartoon stereotype.

So, yeah- I don't think it's crazy for blacks and gays to be scared. And this doesn't even touch on the rhetoric advanced by Trump's closest supporters.

Murders in Chicago have been skyrocketing. The Obama administration has made proactive policing impossible through the use of consent decrees, and so crime increases. Are black communities okay with this? If this is what they want...

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

So predictable...

Donald Trump won. Let the uneducated have their day. - Chicago Tribune

CNN's exit polls actually show Trump rocked most demographics.

I hope many of you will read through it, it's incredible how well he did with non-black minorities and the "educated".

 

[IrishinSyria]

If that quote is the reason blacks are scared then that's plain silly.

It's not THE REASON. But stop and frisk is divisive as hell- and it was rule unconstitutional for a reason. It's one of many.

Trump's first political act was questioning the citizenship of Barrack Obama- our first black president.

Trump's campaign slogan was Make America Great Again- a slogan that implies America was better which raises the question of "when" for black Americans who feel like they have only started to make progress on the road to equality.

Trump's campaign was endorsed by the KKK for a reason. Obviously I'm not saying that he's racist or that all of his supporters are. But lots of small things add up to send the message: you are not welcome.

I don't really feel like my job as a white dude is to tell people they're wrong when they tell me that's how they feel.

 

[IrishinSyria]

So there's obviously a wide spectrum of opinions.

Of course.

 

[IrishinSyria]

John Roberts did not vote to impose same-sex marriage in Obergefell. Trump was not talking about Obergefell in this tweet.

What other case came down on 26 June 2015 that he would have been talking about?

 

[IrishBroker]

I don't need to listen to the stories because I live in the south side of chicago dude. Literally the ninth circle of trump's perceived hell. I'm sure the "ghetto" sounds super scary to someone living out on the high plains- and to be clear there are serious problems that need to be addressed- but it's not hell. And people sure as hell don't appreciate some billionaire who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth calling their home hell.

Look, I'm responding to a discrete question- why do blacks and gays feel threatened. I'm not making an argument that they should and I'm not looking to argue about substantive policy. My side lost, I get that.

But I've talked to multiple black and hispanic and gay and muslim people who have told me they feel much less welcome in this country today than they did yesterday. Whether right or wrong they interpret this election as a crystal clear message from much of the country that they're not wanted here.

I think it's an overreaction and a product of white-hot campaign rhetoric. But I also don't think it's crazy. Just like many here don't think it's crazy that Obama was racist against whites.

But they gladly listen when millionaires and billionaires who agree with them politically talk about it? Again....HA.

What makes them much less welcome today? What rights have they lost?

Because to me?? That's all BS and they are playing the card. Until anything gets passed that effects them, it's just playing the card and into the media hysteria. Just like they did when Obama got elected....it's BS hysteria.

 

[IrishinSyria]

But they gladly listen when millionaires and billionaires who agree with them politically talk about it? Again....HA.

What makes them much less welcome today? What rights have they lost?

Because to me?? That's all BS and they are playing the card. Until anything gets passed that effects them, it's just playing the card and into the media hysteria. Just like they did when Obama got elected....it's BS hysteria.

I report you decide.

 

[BeauBenken]

What other case came down on 26 June 2015 that he would have been talking about?

John Roberts voted against same sex marriage...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ssent-constitution-had-nothing-to-do-with-it/

 

[IrishinSyria]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I live near KKK headquarters, and I want to make sure everyone sees the paper they left in my driveway, promoting <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TrumpPence16?src=hash">#TrumpPence16</a>. His base: <a href="https://t.co/cWVf3LhDus">pic.twitter.com/cWVf3LhDus</a></p>— Casey (@pari_passu) <a href="https://twitter.com/pari_passu/status/787693834545225728">October 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I don't know maybe this article explains it? People in the middle might not have heard the dog whistles but people who are worried about race- on both sides- sure as hell did.

 

[IrishinSyria]

John Roberts voted against same sex marriage...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ssent-constitution-had-nothing-to-do-with-it/

Right, I'm not arguing about that. I'm certainly not making any assertions that Trump knew what the hell he was talking about or understands our judicial system well enough to grasp that.

All I'm saying is that's a really weird tweet to make on the day Obergefell came down if that's not what he was talking about.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

John Roberts did not vote to impose same-sex marriage in Obergefell. Trump was not talking about Obergefell in this tweet.

Impose? That's hilarious.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

I've been wondering the same thing. He's pretty nice to the gay folks....I think they've just been brainwashed.

Uh, did we forget who the vice president is?

Two words: Conversion therapy

 

[IrishinSyria]

So if not Obergefell what the hell was that tweet about?

 

[BeauBenken]

Right, I'm not arguing about that. I'm certainly not making any assertions that Trump knew what the hell he was talking about or understands our judicial system well enough to grasp that.

All I'm saying is that's a really weird tweet to make on the day Obergefell came down if that's not what he was talking about.

When you first brought that tweet up, you were using it as an example of why LGBT people would not like Trump. If he bashes a guy who was against same-sex marriage, isn't that a good thing?