2015 Spring Practice Thread

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Something interesting that I noticed when reading Tom Loy's interview with Sanford about Wimbush he stated that "He is a multi faceted talented quarterback that will give us a lot of freedom to expand our quarterback driven run-game package." The interview goes on talking about how he is a good drop back qb, but I think this quote is most interesting because it talks about how he wants to expand the quarterback driven run-game.
 

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We run a spread zone-blocking offense. Running successfully in such a system requires heavy use of option concepts. See Oregon, Auburn and Ohio State.

The alternative is a pro-style gap-blocking offense. Needless to say, we're not currently built to do that, and trying to force such a change prematurely would lower our 2015 ceiling quite a bit.

Regardless, there's no reason that Golson can't figure out how to read the backside DE.

I don't have a deep understanding of zone vs gap blocking, but when you say we aren't built for gap-blocking, is that in terms of personnel or scheme? Just curious if a shift like that would require recruiting cycles to rectify, or if it's more of a technique change.

Either way, I think all of our QBs on the roster are athletic enough to run the read, but reading the backside DE does seem to be where there's a big gap in our options.
 

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Something interesting that I noticed when reading Tom Loy's interview with Sanford about Wimbush he stated that "He is a multi faceted talented quarterback that will give us a lot of freedom to expand our quarterback driven run-game package." The interview goes on talking about how he is a good drop back qb, but I think this quote is most interesting because it talks about how he wants to expand the quarterback driven run-game.

This may be a dumb thought, but I'm curious what he means by QB-driven. I may be in the minority on this, but I don't necessarily want that to mean that the QB is the 1st option or most dangerous to run on most plays. I think Wimbush's cannon arm and a play-action-heavy offense with the occasional QB run would establish an excellent QB-driven run game, but any defender in D1 is capable of delivering a knock out blow to a runner so I cringe thinking about our QBs running it a ton.
 

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This may be a dumb thought, but I'm curious what he means by QB-driven. I may be in the minority on this, but I don't necessarily want that to mean that the QB is the 1st option or most dangerous to run on most plays. I think Wimbush's cannon arm and a play-action-heavy offense with the occasional QB run would establish an excellent QB-driven run game, but any defender in D1 is capable of delivering a knock out blow to a runner so I cringe thinking about our QBs running it a ton.

That's why quality backups are essential. I love running QBs.
 

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This may be a dumb thought, but I'm curious what he means by QB-driven. I may be in the minority on this, but I don't necessarily want that to mean that the QB is the 1st option or most dangerous to run on most plays. I think Wimbush's cannon arm and a play-action-heavy offense with the occasional QB run would establish an excellent QB-driven run game, but any defender in D1 is capable of delivering a knock out blow to a runner so I cringe thinking about our QBs running it a ton.

For what it's worth, I don't read that quote to mean that the entire running game will be QB-driven, just that the portion of it that is QB-driven can be used more freely with a player like Wimbush.
 

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Jac Collinsworth is getting better at this gig each video that comes out. I'd take this kid over Nolan any day.
 

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We run a spread zone-blocking offense. Running successfully in such a system requires heavy use of option concepts. See Oregon, Auburn and Ohio State.

The alternative is a pro-style gap-blocking offense. Needless to say, we're not currently built to do that, and trying to force such a change prematurely would lower our 2015 ceiling quite a bit.

Regardless, there's no reason that Golson can't figure out how to read the backside DE.

I was under the impression and I thought I got this from you that in 2012 we weren't running a true zone read, even though it may have looked liked it. It was planned hand offs or QB keeps etc.

Anyways I think we could modify that type of offense except now Golson is a much more polished passer.

On the last sentence, he should be able to figure it out.
 
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Regardless, there's no reason that Golson can't figure out how to read the backside DE.

On the last sentence, he should be able to figure it out.

He SHOULD be able to figure it out, but I'm not holding my breath. It seems that some QBs have a good feel on whether they need to hand it off or not, and others struggle with the concept. Dayne couldn't do it, Tommy didn't run it, Hendrix was awful at it, and Golson hasn't been great either when we have tried to employ it. Based on the guys we've had under Kelly none of them have been capable of consistently reading the edge until Zaire, that's why many are excited to see if Malik can contribute to the run game.
 

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My buddy's neighbors are Nic Weishar's parents. He asked him about the QB competition, and Mr. Weishar said from what he's gathered, it'll be EG. This isn't anything new based on the info that's out there currently. But thought I'd post it anyways. Sometimes the players and their families are the most tapped in to situations like this.

I personally believe that BK will start EG against Texas, but both QBs will get a lot of playing time, just like the LSU game. It may be that way until one separates himself as the true #1 on Saturdays (and not just in practice).
 

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My buddy's neighbors are Nic Weishar's parents. He asked him about the QB competition, and Mr. Weishar said from what he's gathered, it'll be EG. This isn't anything new based on the info that's out there currently. But thought I'd post it anyways. Sometimes the players and their families are the most tapped in to situations like this.

I personally believe that BK will start EG against Texas, but both QBs will get a lot of playing time, just like the LSU game. It may be that way until one separates himself as the true #1 on Saturdays (and not just in practice).

I'm guessing EG starts, MZ on some short yardage and redzone packages. But who knows. Also probably situational based on opponent's D. I'd prefer 1 QB who can handle everything, but past performance leaves me in the in-between space. Will really be interesting to see how the O changes with the coaches. The only thing I pray for is a better running game, or a committed running game.
 

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I don't have a deep understanding of zone vs gap blocking, but when you say we aren't built for gap-blocking, is that in terms of personnel or scheme? Just curious if a shift like that would require recruiting cycles to rectify, or if it's more of a technique change.

Either way, I think all of our QBs on the roster are athletic enough to run the read, but reading the backside DE does seem to be where there's a big gap in our options.
In a "man" or "drive" blocking scheme the lineman is responsible for an individual, and the play is designed for a running back to hit a particular gap. The zone blocking scheme, on the other hand, has a lineman blocking an area instead of a designated defensive player. If multiple linemen are blocking an area than one can break off and block into the second level.
The offensive line typically moves as a unit laterally, and the result of their blocks should create some natural seams or gaps in the defensive formation. The running back is responsible for finding a hole, making a cut, and then running upfield.

zone blocking requires more athletic better footwork guys than pure maulers ...yes technique is different but athleticism is also needed
This may be a dumb thought, but I'm curious what he means by QB-driven. I may be in the minority on this, but I don't necessarily want that to mean that the QB is the 1st option or most dangerous to run on most plays. I think Wimbush's cannon arm and a play-action-heavy offense with the occasional QB run would establish an excellent QB-driven run game, but any defender in D1 is capable of delivering a knock out blow to a runner so I cringe thinking about our QBs running it a ton.

qb-driven too me what that he wants the qb to be able to dictate the offense but in a positive way not w/ limitations....the qb position for many years hasn't been able to dictate our offense...in 2011-tommy-limited, 2012-eg-limited offensively w/ some stuff regarding play calling/checks etc, 2013-tommy again-limited, it was tried last year by Golson being able to dictate the offense but that spiraled out of control...look at OSU, Oregon, Auburn etc...those guys were dictating the pace/plays and ways defenses had to scheme vs ND having to scheme around the defenses we are playing
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Strong words from Mike Denbrock re: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> offense, desire to "physically take the fight to our opponent"...on <a href="http://t.co/WlWVIyG116">http://t.co/WlWVIyG116</a>.</p>— Tim Prister (@timprister) <a href="https://twitter.com/timprister/status/583580623782051841">April 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Actions>words. I'd love to see it!!!
 

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My buddy's neighbors are Nic Weishar's parents. He asked him about the QB competition, and Mr. Weishar said from what he's gathered, it'll be EG. This isn't anything new based on the info that's out there currently. But thought I'd post it anyways. Sometimes the players and their families are the most tapped in to situations like this.

I personally believe that BK will start EG against Texas, but both QBs will get a lot of playing time, just like the LSU game. It may be that way until one separates himself as the true #1 on Saturdays (and not just in practice).

After hearing various things in the media, my guess too is EG is the starter, but with a much shorter leash. Note these are my own theories from listening to and reading press accounts and trying to use logic.

First, EG has to probably feel he holds a slight lead or he will look around once spring is over and he has his undergraduate degree. Otherwise, he could look around and potentially go elsewhere if he believes it would give him a better shot to see the field. I don't think BK wants that to happen.

Next, by all accounts, EG has better consistency than MZ especially on accuracy of the long pass. This is obviously important as then the D can't play Rees D and stack the box.

Another item is experience. MZ hasn't played in the big games on the big stages hardly at all (BK's fault, yes, I know). However, EG has been in more pressure sitations, had more complex defenses thrown at him and therefore is porbably somewhat better at reading them.

So while MZ is more of a run threat (which buys him options to start to run, pull up and pass instead or bull forward on his own) and possibly a quicker decision maker, my guess is that EG will be starter with situational duties for MZ unless EG starts reverting back to 2014 form. if that happens, because MZ has proved himself a bit and because Sanford is new and doesn't have history/loyalties towards anyone, I would bet EG gets the quick hook and then 9like a hockey goalie) you stick with the hot hand.
 

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We should really consider going full time dual-quarterback this year. Golson has certainly had problems in the red zone, and if he can't stretch the field becomes his effectiveness suffers. And it's not like Malik isn't too shabby of a thrower himself, it's not like with Hendrix where we were practically running the wildcat.
 

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He SHOULD be able to figure it out, but I'm not holding my breath. It seems that some QBs have a good feel on whether they need to hand it off or not, and others struggle with the concept. Dayne couldn't do it, Tommy didn't run it, Hendrix was awful at it, and Golson hasn't been great either when we have tried to employ it. Based on the guys we've had under Kelly none of them have been capable of consistently reading the edge until Zaire, that's why many are excited to see if Malik can contribute to the run game.

Idk, I always thought Dayne ran the "read" portion very well, especially in the instances that he kept the ball... he was just absolutely terrible at protecting himself as a ball carrier once he did take off. He ran straight up like GAIII, except he never even tried to get low and absorb contact.

Never seen a ball-carrier let defenders tee-off on themselves like Dayne did lol.
 

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Idk, I always thought Dayne ran the "read" portion very well, especially in the instances that he kept the ball... he was just absolutely terrible at protecting himself as a ball carrier once he did take off. He ran straight up like GAIII, except he never even tried to get low and absorb contact.

Never seen a ball-carrier let defenders tee-off on themselves like Dayne did lol.

You might be right, time does a funny thing to the memory. Dayne barely got half a season in before the knee injury in 2010, and that was almost 5 years ago, but I seemed to think he struggled with consistently reading the edge and making the decision to hand off or keep it. In any case, I still think Zaire has been the most consistent with it in his short time here, he generally seems to make the right read based on Spring games and limited live examples.
 

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I just wanted to bump this because it gives us a pretty good idea of what we're going to see from a rotation perspective. Nothing mind blowing but interesting.
 

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1. day
2. jones
3. rochelle
4. tillery
5. trumbetti
6. okwara
7. cage
8. hayes
9. bonner
10. hill??

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5. trumbetti
6. okwara
7. cage
8. hayes
9. bonner
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Based on practice reports, it sounds like they're going to clone Tillery and make this the rotation:

1. Tillery
2. Tillery
3. Tillery
4. Tillery
5. Tillery
6. Tillery
7. Tillery
8. Tillery
9. Tillery
10. Tillery
 

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1. day
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3. rochelle
4. tillery
5. trumbetti
6. okwara
7. cage
8. hayes
9. bonner
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I was thinking:

1. day
2. tillery
3. rochelle
4. trumbetti
5. Jones
6. okwara
7. cage
8. hayes
9. bonner
10. Blankenship

I still vividly remember when Bama ran a rotation like that at us in the '12 title game. Shit was a thing of beauty... if it would have been ran against someone else, of course. That day... it was vomit inducing.
 

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So while MZ is more of a run threat (which buys him options to start to run, pull up and pass instead or bull forward on his own) and possibly a quicker decision maker, my guess is that EG will be starter with situational duties for MZ unless EG starts reverting back to 2014 form. if that happens, because MZ has proved himself a bit and because Sanford is new and doesn't have history/loyalties towards anyone, I would bet EG gets the quick hook and then 9like a hockey goalie) you stick with the hot hand.

MZ should definitely be in on goaline situations. Much like the Belldozer at OK before he moved to TE.

I know many here are a lot better at stats and knowledge than I am but was a lot of the EG turnovers when it was 3rd and long or busted plays? I know some of the picks were Robinson's stone hands. Just wondering what situations would be better for MZ to be in outside of goalline.
 

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As of now it sits as

SDE: Rochell, Bonner
NT: Jones, Cage
DT: Day, Hayes
WDE: Okwara, Trumbetti,

With Tillery and Williams being the swing guys or what he calls 3rd and a half. Its early and even he mentions that Tillery, Williams or even Micah could become a 2nd guy.
 

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With a ten man rotation at DL, what do you have on the over/under 25 1/2 sacks from the line, not as a team? That's based on 2 1/2 sacks per player. Can it be done with this group?
 
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As of now it sits as

SDE: Rochell, Bonner
NT: Jones, Cage
DT: Day, Hayes
WDE: Okwara, Trumbetti,

With Tillery and Williams being the swing guys or what he calls 3rd and a half. Its early and even he mentions that Tillery, Williams or even Micah could become a 2nd guy.

I'd take that. Figure Trumbetti & Okwara basically split time. Hope Tillery pushes Hayes for minutes. And imagine what kind of rotational nastiness we could be putting up by November when the young guys get a few games under their belt.
 
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