2015 PRE SEASON CAMP THREAD

[Bogtrotter07]

Okay, now back to the point. Everyone else in agreement?

CJ is faster and quicker, as well as a better student athlete than McKenzie.

Agreed?

 

[koonja]

In the videos I've seen, justin Brent looks both quick and fast. Idk if mayock would be able to analyze him.

 

[dublinirish]

In the videos I've seen, justin Brent looks both quick and fast. Idk if mayock would be able to analyze him.

"this kid is just...WOW"

 

[wizards8507]

In the videos I've seen, justin Brent looks both quick and fast. Idk if mayock would be able to analyze him.

Mayock's been talking to some NFL scouts and they all agree... Brent is one of the quickest guys in all of college football.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Mayock's been talking to some NFL scouts and they all agree... Brent is one of the quickest guys in all of college football.

But ESPN reports he doesn't quite have SEC speed...

Just playin Wiz

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I was just bopping around waiting for an appointment, and I saw this video on Scout :

https://vimeo.com/136399475?from=outro-local

It has probably been posted already, but I found it very interesting.

Several points :

1. Last year staff (Elston and GA's) were still teaching two gap, techniques. This year Gilmore's presence has already translated into reformed defensive linemen.
   
2. Everyone looks quicker and lower off the ball! Everyone seems a lot better with their hands.
   
3. I don't know if this is Gilmore, or the revamped conditioning program, but nobody approached looking like a fat-body. I marvel at the antidotal evidence of superior conditioning of the d-linemen; though it is antidotal, it seems clearly evident and prevalent.

What a difference in a season; I hope we see it on the field!

 

[irishfan]

Okay, now back to the point. Everyone else in agreement?

CJ is faster and quicker, as well as a better student athlete than McKenzie.

Agreed?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/HFWZ7tfC_BM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Time will tell. Still wish we had McKenzie.

 

[BobbyMac]

Okay, now back to the point. Everyone else in agreement?

CJ is faster and quicker, as well as a better student athlete than McKenzie.

Agreed?

I don't know about measurables like 40's, 100's and shuttle drills but when CJ runs back 3 TD's this year... I'll forget all about Isaiah McKenzie and put him in the Randy Moss file for good.

 

[Johannes]

<script height="381px" width="672px" src="http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.js#pbid=5e83fc845d86487e88b6953600eaff54&ec=thZmcydzrcojAruLVYt4KxaRGr50F3Of"></script>
MORE Top Plays From The Weekend

<script height="381px" width="672px" src="http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.js#pbid=5e83fc845d86487e88b6953600eaff54&ec=FtdW8xdzpjezLOUQ5FxQIy8uO4W3AfKq"></script>
Zac interviews Malik

I feel like the interview may have already been posted? But I could be wrong.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I don't know about measurables like 40's, 100's and shuttle drills but when CJ runs back 3 TD's this year... I'll forget all about Isaiah McKenzie and put him in the Randy Moss file for good.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/201...ers-notre-dame-signed-nli-12.html#post1571021

if you compare the measurables in static environments :

Isaiah McKenzie, 5-8, 160, Plantation (Fla.) American Heritage

Results: 4.56 40, 4.54 shuttle, 35’ PB, 36.0” VJ, 87.84 SPARQ

CJ Sanders, 5-8.5, 175

Results: 4.32 40, 3.78 shuttle, 38.6' PB, 39 VJ, 139.26 SPARQ

Plus, Sanders placed nationally in the 100M as a Junior in high school.

Maybe stated more succinctly, my point is, McKenzie almost has Sandarian speed!

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Hey I just got a chance to go through the B&G video, great to see all the running backs go through the gauntlet machine thingy the right direction!

Things are really looking up this season!

Here is to Autry!

I really hope Justin Brent can be the 3rd back and allow Dexter and Josh to preserve a year of eligibility. Brent is a big boy and it'd be great to have him come in and provide some productive carries when needed.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

This team must put up or shut up. I'm tired of being too hyped to start a season, I need to temper my enthusiasm. We have some great pieces on this offense and seemingly, we should be scoring near the 40s every week but the proof is in the pudding.

The season can not get here soon enough. I really want to see what we have against Texas. And I want to see the showtime episode after the game.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I really hope Justin Brent can be the 3rd back and allow Dexter and Josh to preserve a year of eligibility. Brent is a big boy and it'd be great to have him come in and provide some productive carries when needed.

I agree and it sounds like as long as he follows instructions (runs north-south with power), he'll be in the mix. If starts dancing, breaks it outside, or fumbles...all bets are off.

 

[tussin]

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/201...ers-notre-dame-signed-nli-12.html#post1571021

if you compare the measurables in static environments :

Isaiah McKenzie, 5-8, 160, Plantation (Fla.) American Heritage

Results: 4.56 40, 4.54 shuttle, 35’ PB, 36.0” VJ, 87.84 SPARQ

CJ Sanders, 5-8.5, 175

Results: 4.32 40, 3.78 shuttle, 38.6' PB, 39 VJ, 139.26 SPARQ

Plus, Sanders placed nationally in the 100M as a Junior in high school.

Maybe stated more succinctly, my point is, McKenzie almost has Sandarian speed!

Let's just stop the comparison.

 

[koonja]

I hope Brent is used for carries or is motioned out of the backfield to become a WR against a LB. I really hope his snaps aren't contingent on being able to block on every available play, because backs seem to be slow to pick up the BK blocking scheme.

 

[Luckylucci]

I don't know about measurables like 40's, 100's and shuttle drills but when CJ runs back 3 TD's this year... I'll forget all about Isaiah McKenzie and put him in the Randy Moss file for good.

Agreed, I really like CJ but one has actually done a considerable amount on the field.

 

[IrishLion]

I hope Brent is used for carries or is motioned out of the backfield to become a WR against a LB. I really hope his snaps aren't contingent on being able to block on every available play, because backs seem to be slow to pick up the BK blocking scheme.

I think this is what you'll see with Prosise, and so Brent's opportunities will be limited as long as Folston/Prosise are healthy.

I don't think BK and co. will be able to be picky and hold him out contingent on his blocking skills, because the offense can't afford to. RB is too thin to be picky about who plays and why. Brent is going to be needed to spell the top two, and hopefully he'll be needed to take plenty of carries late in big wins, as well.

The only thing that will keep Brent off the field on account of his blocking skills is if one of the freshmen show that they can be good in pass pro.

 

[BobbyMac]

I really hope Justin Brent can be the 3rd back and allow Dexter and Josh to preserve a year of eligibility. Brent is a big boy and it'd be great to have him come in and provide some productive carries when needed.

Physically he's a lot like Ryan Grant was. Wouldn't it be great is he had an out of nowhere season like Grant did as a Soph. (I think, maybe Jr?)

 

[BobbyMac]

Agreed, I really like CJ but one has actually done a considerable amount on the field.

I think Alloway is more like McKenzie than Sanders in the film I've seen...besides that one play from practice a few days ago.

..and yes Bogs, I think Sanders has a gear up top that McKenzie doesn't but the great ones in the return game have a 1st to 2nd gear shift, tighter steering and bigger brakes that separate them from the top speed guys. I'm not saying CJ isn't that, I'm just saying McKenzie has already proven that he is.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I think this is what you'll see with Prosise, and so Brent's opportunities will be limited as long as Folston/Prosise are healthy.

I don't think BK and co. will be able to be picky and hold him out contingent on his blocking skills, because the offense can't afford to. RB is too thin to be picky about who plays and why. Brent is going to be needed to spell the top two, and hopefully he'll be needed to take plenty of carries late in big wins, as well.

The only thing that will keep Brent off the field on account of his blocking skills is if one of the freshmen show that they can be good in pass pro.

Let's hope that the lack of a viable 3rd back, at least as it appears from the outside, will allow our top 2 to get in a good groove. I honestly think three is too many to run as a consistent rotation. It'd be okay to have a 3rd guy give both of them a break once or twice a game but that's about as far as I'd like to see Kelly take it.

Yes, I believe Kelly knows more than me. Yes, I believe he's likely better at reading players but I think Kelly has often looked to distribute the load at the cost of allowing players to get a feel for the game and perhaps catch fire.

Unless our line is opening up monster holes, it helps for a player to get hit a few times and to play in consistent drives. It'd be a mind game trying to keep one's self mentally prepared to play every other offensive drive. Admittedly, maybe I'm crazy since I never played collegiate athletics.

 

[woolybug25]

I think Alloway is more like McKenzie than Sanders in the film I've seen...besides that one play from practice a few days ago.

..and yes Bogs, I think Sanders has a gear up top that McKenzie doesn't but the great ones in the return game have a 1st to 2nd gear shift, tighter steering and bigger brakes that separate them from the top speed guys. I'm not saying CJ isn't that, I'm just saying McKenzie has already proven that he is.

I think more importantly, it is all about cutting ability at top speed. A lot of guys have a second gear that allows them to pull away, but it's rare that a guy can make cuts at that speed. Sanders has that ability. He's not just slippery, which a lot of players possess, he's just hard to grab at that speed.

 

[IrishLion]

Let's hope that the lack of a viable 3rd back, at least as it appears from the outside, will allow our top 2 to get in a good groove. I honestly think three is too many to run as a consistent rotation. It'd be okay to have a 3rd guy give both of them a break once or twice a game but that's about as far as I'd like to see Kelly take it.

Yes, I believe Kelly knows more than me. Yes, I believe he's likely better at reading players but I think Kelly has often looked to distribute the load at the cost of allowing players to get a feel for the game and perhaps catch fire.

Unless our line is opening up monster holes, it helps for a player to get hit a few times and to play in consistent drives. It'd be a mind game trying to keep one's self mentally prepared to play every other offensive drive. Admittedly, maybe I'm crazy since I never played collegiate athletics.

I agree with you 100%. The point that I was trying to get at is that Folston/Prosise gives us a legitimate top-2. After that, the third guy is going to be needed simply to spell the top 2 guys and keep them out of harm's way late in games. And so, BK isn't really going to be able to be picky with whoever the third guy is, because whether he can block or not, he'll be needed.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Lion and I are on the same page, I just didn't realize it

DECLARATION: I'M FULLBLOWN IN THE CJ SANDERS FAN CLUB!!!!

I've watched that play a number of times and while it's only practice, I don't remember the last time I saw a player make that many moves on our team. He even had time to adjust the ball after he shrugged off Grant. He's going to be the real deal which looks to give us another home run threat. Let's hope he gets reps and shows Kelly what he can do.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I think Alloway is more like McKenzie than Sanders in the film I've seen...besides that one play from practice a few days ago.

..and yes Bogs, I think Sanders has a gear up top that McKenzie doesn't but the great ones in the return game have a 1st to 2nd gear shift, tighter steering and bigger brakes that separate them from the top speed guys. I'm not saying CJ isn't that, I'm just saying McKenzie has already proven that he is.

I think more importantly, it is all about cutting ability at top speed. A lot of guys have a second gear that allows them to pull away, but it's rare that a guy can make cuts at that speed. Sanders has that ability. He's not just slippery, which a lot of players possess, he's just hard to grab at that speed.

And. Watch CJ on the run featured in this weekend's extra plays video. He is so quick at accelerating, without throwing his hips or body this way or that (this kid has the ability to give no tell, and still cut on a dime) that he truly makes people look stupid missing. Just wait and see.

Interesting, the only time I have heard of "mass bad tackling this season," is when CJ has the ball. Last year there were all kinds of kids from Notre Dame (HS) talking about CJ, ball in hand, being an automatic. So I did some checking. Yup, everything I got back was that he was in a class by himself, and he may be elite (speed and skills), albeit small.

I had someone I don't always find credible (my personal opinion) say that this kid would walk on campus the best slot ND has had in like forever. I didn't repeat it because it sounded so dumb. Now, not so much. If this kid has durability, and blocking we will see.

Speaking of this weekend's extra plays video, anyone see the run by DeShone Kizer? Pretty amazing set of moves (also) for a big guy! Underclassman wiggle!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Let's just stop the comparison.

Why?

 

[GoIrish41]

Lion and I are on the same page, I just didn't realize it

DECLARATION: I'M FULLBLOWN IN THE CJ SANDERS FAN CLUB!!!!

I've watched that play a number of times and while it's only practice, I don't remember the last time I saw a player make that many moves on our team. He even had time to adjust the ball after he shrugged off Grant. He's going to be the real deal which looks to give us another home run threat. Let's hope he gets reps and shows Kelly what he can do.

Apparently you've never seen Bryant run up the middle.

 

[NDdomer2]

Lion and I are on the same page, I just didn't realize it

DECLARATION: I'M FULLBLOWN IN THE CJ SANDERS FAN CLUB!!!!

I've watched that play a number of times and while it's only practice, I don't remember the last time I saw a player make that many moves on our team. He even had time to adjust the ball after he shrugged off Grant. He's going to be the real deal which looks to give us another home run threat. Let's hope he gets reps and shows Kelly what he can do.

im hoping he doesnt like to get high, doesnt have a kid, and goes to class.

 

[tussin]

Why?

It's a useless conversation. They are both small and fast and can be compared as players, but looking at SPARQ scores and insinuating that one is better than the other is silly. Cierre was probably faster and more athletic than Theo but most would say Theo was a better player.

Yes, Sanders had better metrics than Mackenzie when they were both seniors in high school. Mackenzie has proven to be a game changer as a freshman at UGA. Let's hope Sanders will do the same (or more) for the Irish.

 

[koonja]

It's a useless conversation. They are both small and fast and can be compared as players, but looking at SPARQ scores and insinuating that one is better than the other is silly. Cierre was probably faster and more athletic than Theo but most would say Theo was a better player.

Yes, Sanders had better metrics than Mackenzie when they were both seniors in high school. Mackenzie has proven to be a game changer as a freshman at UGA. Let's hope Sanders will do the same (or more) for the Irish.

Try telling Buster that. He said Cierre was better and 'it's not even close' (which IMO, is the most innacurate statement in most sports debates).

 

[GBdomer]

Koon any new squad members?