2014 Spring Practice Thread

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Hounshell and Springman's health statuses are HUGE. If they both can give us quality reps during the year, I feel pretty good with the guys we have for the 4 spots especially since Okwara and Ishaq are seemingly DEs now.

If they aren't though, that starts to spell trouble. May need 1 or 2 freshman to play who may not be physically ready. Trumbetti is playing though, I think that much is clear. Wonder what we can get out of Matuska, Rabasa, and Utupo.
 

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Hounshell and Springman's health statuses are HUGE. If they both can give us quality reps during the year, I feel pretty good with the guys we have for the 4 spots especially since Okwara and Ishaq are seemingly DEs now.

If they aren't though, that starts to spell trouble. May need 1 or 2 freshman to play who may not be physically ready. Trumbetti is playing though, I think that much is clear. Wonder what we can get out of Matuska, Rabasa, and Utupo.

I agree. I'm thinking Elston gets it done. The D lines in 2010 and 2011 had arguably just as much or less talent and or depth and still played pretty dame good when all was said and done.
 
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Hounshell and Springman's health statuses are HUGE. If they both can give us quality reps during the year, I feel pretty good with the guys we have for the 4 spots especially since Okwara and Ishaq are seemingly DEs now.

If they aren't though, that starts to spell trouble. May need 1 or 2 freshman to play who may not be physically ready. Trumbetti is playing though, I think that much is clear. Wonder what we can get out of Matuska, Rabasa, and Utupo.

See, I don't see much of a problem. As it looks like we will be a four man front. We had Rochell, and (Yes I totally agree about Hounshell and Springman) we have guys like Rasaba and Utupo that are upperclassmen that may have found a position, and we have Matuska, Trumbetti and since we have had a true freshman (or two) in each of the last four years contribute, we may have one of the two tackles (Cage, Mokwuah), and one of the three ends, (Williams, Bonner, Blankenship) contribute. It may not be ideal, but it is better than not having them. Edit: I see Hayes in between (tackle and end). And I think he could offer minutes first of all the freshmen.

Me, the greatest thing this season would be to see Dickerson sub in! Rudy! - Rudy! - Rudy!
 
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DL scares me a lot. I like our top 4, but we are paper thin beyond that. At LB I really think we'll be OK. Jaylon has all the makings of a stud and I'm relatively confident we can get some solid play out of some of the remaining guys.

I think it all depends on how healthy guys like Springmann, Hounshell can get. Also, there are a lot of freshmen coming in. If 1 or 2 of these guys can contribute, we should be alright.

Hehe. I should have read the rest of the thread. IM8 beat me to it.
 
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DL scares me a lot. I like our top 4, but we are paper thin beyond that. At LB I really think we'll be OK. Jaylon has all the makings of a stud and I'm relatively confident we can get some solid play out of some of the remaining guys.

Don't try telling wooly that! Lol. (See, pages 12-15).
 

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I didn't give him much of a shot once we all knew Golson was for sure coming back.After watching the practice videos (I know they're only 2-3 minutes long), he just seems hungry for the starting spot. Not only has he been looking good in the snaps that we get to see, but you can see him taking mental reps when Golson is in. Golson definitely seems to be the favorite, but I think the gap between Golson and Zaire is slowly closing.

I do know for a fact that when BK said there was going to be a QB competition the Zaire camp took it pretty serious. The way it sounds to me if Zaire does not think he got a legit shot to compete for the #1 spot and it was all just lip service I know there will be a a lot of unhappy people in the Zaire camp.
 

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I miss the good old days, when a QB knew he probably wouldn't see extended time until his junior year, and when his "camp" being upset wasn't a thing.
 

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DL scares me a lot. I like our top 4, but we are paper thin beyond that. At LB I really think we'll be OK. Jaylon has all the makings of a stud and I'm relatively confident we can get some solid play out of some of the remaining guys.

I think we're better on the line. I love the starting 4, and beyond that, barring injury, is looking better than you think. Rochell, Trumbetti, Hounshell, Springmann, Utupo, Matuska as well as Hayes, Cage, Mokwuah, Jhonny Williams, Blankenship, Bonner on the way, I'd say depth is of NO concern. Experience may be an issue if guys like Hounshell or Springmann go down, but honestly, I like the way the line is looking. Honestly, I feel more concerned with LB, mainly because, we have a lot of talent, but I'm not sure where we put it. Luckily, BVG seems to be running the defense through his best player (Jaylon). I'm REALLY starting to like BVG.
 

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I think we're better on the line. I love the starting 4, and beyond that, barring injury, is looking better than you think. Rochell, Trumbetti, Hounshell, Springmann, Utupo, Matuska as well as Hayes, Cage, Mokwuah, Jhonny Williams, Blankenship, Bonner on the way, I'd say depth is of NO concern. Experience may be an issue if guys like Hounshell or Springmann go down, but honestly, I like the way the line is looking. Honestly, I feel more concerned with LB, mainly because, we have a lot of talent, but I'm not sure where we put it. Luckily, BVG seems to be running the defense through his best player (Jaylon). I'm REALLY starting to like BVG.

Depth and quality depth aren't the same thing. We have no way of knowing if any of the pups bring quality depth. You say as much when you recognize the difference between having bodies and having bodies with experience. Experience isn't determinative, but shit, to say you have NO concerns about depth is ridiculous. Questioning the DL is a reasonable thing at the moment.
 
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i find it encouraging that I can't see the ball's flight anymore on out routes.
 

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2014 Spring Practice Thread

LB's will be fine if Councell and Grace can get healthy and ready to go. Add in Morgan and there is plenty of talent/depth to go around - especially considering 4-3 is going to be the new reality.
 
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I think we're better on the line. I love the starting 4, and beyond that, barring injury, is looking better than you think. Rochell, Trumbetti, Hounshell, Springmann, Utupo, Matuska as well as Hayes, Cage, Mokwuah, Jhonny Williams, Blankenship, Bonner on the way, I'd say depth is of NO concern. Experience may be an issue if guys like Hounshell or Springmann go down, but honestly, I like the way the line is looking. Honestly, I feel more concerned with LB, mainly because, we have a lot of talent, but I'm not sure where we put it. Luckily, BVG seems to be running the defense through his best player (Jaylon). I'm REALLY starting to like BVG.

Rochell IMO, hasn't shown he's physically ready to win against a solid starting OL. I don't remember him making any plays last year. New year, I get it, just saying.

Trumbetti looks great on film and I expect him to be a really good player, but he's what, 18-19?

Hounshell has played like 3 snaps and isn't physically imposing and has shown nothing.

Springman is your best mention, but again, still limited to non-contact and coming off of a knee injury.

Utupo has been non-existent in any meaningful minutes, Matuska, Cage, Hayes, Mokwuak, Williams, all nothing.

I think Hayes has great athleticism, so he'll get time, but again, going from playing NY high schoolers to USC, Stanford, etc?

I think our depth is fine. Quality of depth? These guys are incredibly young and unproven IMO. Next year, we're going to have really good quality and quantity of depth, but I think this year the offense is going to have to shine and the back end of the defense will have to force turnovers.
 
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LB's will be fine if Councell and Grace can get healthy and ready to go. Add in Morgan and there is plenty of talent/depth to go around - especially considering 4-3 is going to be the new reality.

I really hope he can get healthy. That was a nasty injury but I loved the way he was coming on just before the injury happened. It all seemed to click for him after struggling the first two games.
 

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I really hope he can get healthy. That was a nasty injury but I loved the way he was coming on just before the injury happened. It all seemed to click for him after struggling the first two games.

This could mean nothing but the guys at II said that Grace was limping more yesterday than he was a couple weeks ago when they saw him. It's a realistic possibility he doesn't play at all this year.
 
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I don't like bumping threads with slim to no info, so I'll put it here. TIFWIW.

I was on the phone with a young guy from the ND ticket office today. He was pretty cool to talk to, so when I was done with tickets I asked him what's the latest on field turf/grass. He said he's hearing that they'll stick with grass but are waiting to see what the ground looks like before they make their final decision.

Like I said, TIFWIW. He could have no clue and just talking to talk, but he seemed like a genuine guy.
 

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This could mean nothing but the guys at II said that Grace was limping more yesterday than he was a couple weeks ago when they saw him. It's a realistic possibility he doesn't play at all this year.

i hate to be a pessimist, but this is the idea i'm going into the fall with. I do not expect him to see the field this year and that is probably the right call at this point. Hopefully he can acquire a medical redshirt.
 

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I don't like bumping threads with slim to no info, so I'll put it here. TIFWIW.

I was on the phone with a young guy from the ND ticket office today. He was pretty cool to talk to, so when I was done with tickets I asked him what's the latest on field turf/grass. He said he's hearing that they'll stick with grass but are waiting to see what the ground looks like before they make their final decision.

Like I said, TIFWIW. He could have no clue and just talking to talk, but he seemed like a genuine guy.

i don't understand...what does "waiting to see what the ground looks like" indicate??
 
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i don't understand...what does "waiting to see what the ground looks like" indicate??

No idea. Again, just mentioning because he sounded smart and cool for lack of better term, but he might not know a damn thing. I'm hoping he's clueless.
 

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1. Rochell IMO, hasn't shown he's physically ready to win against a solid starting OL. I don't remember him making any plays last year. New year, I get it, just saying.

2. Trumbetti looks great on film and I expect him to be a really good player, but he's what, 18-19?

3. Hounshell has played like 3 snaps and isn't physically imposing and has shown nothing.

4. Springman is your best mention, but again, still limited to non-contact and coming off of a knee injury.

5. Utupo has been non-existent in any meaningful minutes, Matuska, Cage, Hayes, Mokwuak, Williams, all nothing.

6. I think Hayes has great athleticism, so he'll get time, but again, going from playing NY high schoolers to USC, Stanford, etc?

7. I think our depth is fine. Quality of depth? These guys are incredibly young and unproven IMO. Next year, we're going to have really good quality and quantity of depth, but I think this year the offense is going to have to shine and the back end of the defense will have to force turnovers.

1. Tuitt didn't show much of anything his freshman year despite earning some reps.

2. Isn't it safe to say that any freshman that has ever made an impact, did it at that age? So, we need impact freshman to step up and provide minutes. Luckily, we have the numbers on the line.

3. Actually, I believe there were reports that Hounchell was physically imposing. But, I do believe his shoulders are still a concern. Before he dealt with these injuries, the staff really liked him.

4. Agreed. Waiting to see how Springmann looks in Summer/Fall. Really need him back.

5. This group hasn't shown anything but lack of past success is no guarantee of future failure. Every year, teams must rely on new players to step up and I think we have the numbers to find at least a few new contributors.

6. Do you believe the others have "athleticism"? This goes back to the same argument above. We need some players to prove themselves.

7. Yes, you win for obvious, expected answer of the year award :) Of course we expect our backfield to be stronger considering we are returning a lot of starters and adding a lot of talent (Hello Cody Riggs) and we are hoping that our most athletic safeties will lock their positions down. But, we have some very quality players in the front 7, couple that with a defensive coordinator who is looking to mold the defense to his personnel and I think we can make a case for, at the very least, a solid defense. I'm not a kool-aid drinker yet, I think there will be some pains with a new defense and the loss of some great players but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that our DL will be porous or that our linebacker play will be poor.

We have athleticism in numbers at every linebacker position, and we have a lot of youth. Every team, every year relies on new, young players to step up and challenge for minutes. It's why we follow recruiting so fervently and we just signed a consensus top 10 class (again), to follow on the heels of a consensus top 5 class the year before. And the 2013 class had 13ish redshirts. We have to believe that there are stars waiting to be discovered and I think Kelly and BVG will do exactly that.
 
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I don't know why, but that has me LMAO.

Lol. I tried to think of a way to better put it, I guess what I'm saying is he sounded genuine and interested in helping me out, rather than just answering my ticket question. We've all been on the phone with customer service reps who you think went above and beyond, and the ones who just answer your questions. He sounded like the former is all I'm saying.
 

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Probably waiting to see how the grass recovers from the winter. Hopefully it looks like shit.

Or waiting to see the extent of the frozen ground. Will they be able to make a decision in 6 or 7 weeks if the ground isn't thawed out to some sort of proper level?

Kind of funny that they might be embarking on Fix the Grass, Volume 8: No We're Super Serious This Time We're Digging Way Down Deep and the ground is more frozen than it's ever been in 20+ years following an awful winter.
 

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I think we're better on the line. I love the starting 4, and beyond that, barring injury, is looking better than you think. Rochell, Trumbetti, Hounshell, Springmann, Utupo, Matuska as well as Hayes, Cage, Mokwuah, Jhonny Williams, Blankenship, Bonner on the way, I'd say depth is of NO concern. Experience may be an issue if guys like Hounshell or Springmann go down, but honestly, I like the way the line is looking. Honestly, I feel more concerned with LB, mainly because, we have a lot of talent, but I'm not sure where we put it. Luckily, BVG seems to be running the defense through his best player (Jaylon). I'm REALLY starting to like BVG.

That entire list is guys who are either:
1. Injury prone
2. Have not shown anything
3. Inexperienced or not physically ready to play

So yeah... we're paper thin behind the top 4. It's a huge drop off at DT right now to the next guy, and DE isn't much better.
 

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That entire list is guys who are either:
1. Injury prone
2. Have not shown anything
3. Inexperienced or not physically ready to play

So yeah... we're paper thin behind the top 4. It's a huge drop off at DT right now to the next guy, and DE isn't much better.

perhaps the reason for the seemingly large # of offers on the road right now for 2015??
 

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I don't like bumping threads with slim to no info, so I'll put it here. TIFWIW.

I was on the phone with a young guy from the ND ticket office today. He was pretty cool to talk to, so when I was done with tickets I asked him what's the latest on field turf/grass. He said he's hearing that they'll stick with grass but are waiting to see what the ground looks like before they make their final decision.

Like I said, TIFWIW. He could have no clue and just talking to talk, but he seemed like a genuine guy.

Disappointing if this is true, but I'm hoping that the ticket seller isn't in the know or the school ends up changing their mind. Half the teams we play this year have Field Turf on their own fields, and among those teams Purdue is the only one like us that plays on grass in a poor weather climate. Purdue is different though, as they installed a cold-tolerant strain of Bermuda grass in 2005 that better handles playing conditions. Most of the other grass playing teams we face this year are ones in decent climates where field conditions are rarely an issue (Florida State, North Carolina, Stanford, Arizona State, etc).
 

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That entire list is guys who are either:
1. Injury prone
2. Have not shown anything
3. Inexperienced or not physically ready to play

So yeah... we're paper thin behind the top 4. It's a huge drop off at DT right now to the next guy, and DE isn't much better.

Yeah... but how is that any different than say... '11, where we marched out game 1 with a front 3 of KLM/Cwyner/Johnson? None had shown anything and Ishaq, Tuitt and some kid from FL were all true freshman. That year, our best player was Manti, but I would argue Jaylon Smith showed more in his first year than Manti and is currently a better player than Manti was in his second year.

I am way more confident in this front 7 depth than the front 7 in '11, and one year later, that depth chart gave us one of the finest defensive performances in the history of our program. Here is our starting front 7 from game 1 of '11.

End: Kapron Lewis-Moore

Nose Guard: Sean Cwynar

End: Ethan Johnson

Cat Linebacker: Darius Fleming

Middle Linebacker: Manti Te’o

Weakside Linebacker: Dan Fox

Drop Linebacker: Prince Shembo



How is our lineup not better than that?
 
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Yeah... but how is that any different than say... '11, where we marched out game 1 with a front 3 of KLM/Cwyner/Johnson? None had shown anything and Ishaq, Tuitt and some kid from FL were all true freshman. That year, our best player was Manti, but I would argue Jaylon Smith showed more in his first year than Manti and is currently a better player than Manti was in his second year.

I am way more confident in this front 7 depth than the front 7 in '11, and one year later, that depth chart gave us one of the finest defensive performances in the history of our program. Here is our starting front 7 from game 1 of '11.

End: Kapron Lewis-Moore

Nose Guard: Sean Cwynar

End: Ethan Johnson

Cat Linebacker: Darius Fleming

Middle Linebacker: Manti Te’o

Weakside Linebacker: Dan Fox

Drop Linebacker: Prince Shembo



How is our lineup not better than that?

I understand what you're saying, but by all accounts, Tuitt and Lynch were much more talented and physically gifted than the young guys we have on the bench in 2014.
 

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I understand what you're saying, but by all accounts, Tuitt and Lynch were much more talented and physically gifted than the young guys we have on the bench in 2014.

I would argue the current starters are much better than the starters in '11 though. Which should equal that out.

Also, lets not discredit the talent we have in this class. Let's compare:

Tuitt - Rivals (#2), Scout (#10) and ESPN (#10)
Ishaq - Rivals (#2), Scout (#4) and ESPN (#6)
Kid from FL - Rivals (#2), Scout (#2) and ESPN (#7)

Trumbetti - Rivals (#14), Scout (#10) and ESPN (#11)
Hayes - Rivals (#14), Scout (#9) and 247 (#14)
Martini - 247 (#14), Scout (#21) and ESPN (#8)

That's not a huge gap there in rankings between our top three front seven guys from each class. The big difference is the quality of starters in front of those classes and the depth. This year's front seven has a significant advantage there.

In short... I think we are fine.
 
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