2013 Fall Camp Thread

[woolybug25]

Peace

 

[Buster Bluth]

I hope he does well. It's a win-win.

And hey, MOAR RECRUITS.

 

[ThePiombino]

Peace

While completely agreed, I am a tad concerned with the precipitous drop in schollie players. Eventually something has to give depth-wise, even if on special teams.

 

[Luckylucci]

Kid always seem to have a lot of heart but we have some very good athletes back there now and he just can't keep up.

 

[koonja]

I really was hoping to see him kill it on specials this year. Oh well.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

So what are we at schollie wise now?

 

[IrishLion]

I'm hoping that Jarron Jones listed in the two-deep is due to his effort and improvement, and not because of necessity.

 

[IrishLion]

I really was hoping to see him kill it on specials this year. Oh well.

That's where I was most bummed about losing Barratti for the year. He was a punt coverage monster.

 

[Luckylucci]

While completely agreed, I am a tad concerned with the precipitous drop in schollie players. Eventually something has to give depth-wise, even if on special teams.

This would be my only concern. We do need some guys that are just content to run down the field and hit people like Bennett and Collinsworth were early on.

 

[pkt77242]

This would be my only concern. We do need some guys that are just content to run down the field and hit people like Bennett and Collinsworth were early on.

We have a large pool of fast players to run down the field and hit someone.

Max
Hardy
Shumate
Cole Luke
Lo Wood
Butler
Grace
Rabasa
Councell
Moore
Onwualu

That doesn't include
Ishaq or potential redshirts Kinslaw and Fuller or walk-ons. I think we will be fine.

Edit: Forgot
Welch
Cam
Also maybe Folston or Bryant and Koyak or one of the freshman TEs if they don't redshirt.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

I'd prefer not to run every single 2-deep guy on ST. I'm sure there is a set standard that a head coach looks to have, and running all your 2-deeps (which is pretty much that whole list) on ST seems risky to me. I'm not sure what the typical status quo is though for a head coach.

Edit: It isn't your entire list, but a good chunk of them.

 

[pkt77242]

I'd prefer not to run every single 2-deep guy on ST. I'm sure there is a set standard that a head coach looks to have, and running all your 2-deeps (which is pretty much that whole list) on ST seems risky to me. I'm not sure what the typical status quo is though for a head coach.

I disagree and so does Brian Kelly. He even wants some starters on special teams not just 2 deep players.

College football: Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly wants starters to be part of special teams - Post-Tribune

 

[Luckylucci]

I disagree and so does Brian Kelly. He even wants some starters on special teams not just 2 deep players.

College football: Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly wants starters to be part of special teams - Post-Tribune

Two things, as of when we played Bama in the NCG they have a more functional two deep across the board. Therefore player attrition isn't as big of a deal. Next, we aren't going to be playing starters on ST against Temple, Kelly means in certain big game must win environments he will start doing that. Bennett Jackson probably won't be playing ST.

 

[Emcee77]

I'm hoping that Jarron Jones listed in the two-deep is due to his effort and improvement, and not because of necessity.

Hey, they could have put Utupo there, or even listed Schwenke as a backup at both end and NT. I consider it an encouraging sign that Jones made the two-deep.

 

[pkt77242]

Two things, as of when we played Bama in the NCG they have a more functional two deep across the board. Therefore player attrition isn't as big of a deal. Next, we aren't going to be playing starters on ST against Temple, Kelly means in certain big game must win environments he will start doing that. Bennett Jackson probably won't be playing ST.

Agreed. But he also wanted some starters to step up and want to play special teams. See TJ and the punt return job.

As to the functional two deep, I agree that last year was a little rough for us but this year that shouldn't be as big of an issue, so there is no reason that we can't play lots of the 2nd team players on special teams and then occasionally sprinkle in some first teamers. I have to admit I would love to see Nix and Tuitt on FG block in a big game.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Hey, they could have put Utupo there, or even listed Schwenke as a backup at both end and NT. I consider it an encouraging sign that Jones made the two-deep.

Good point. Does that mean that Rochell passed Utupo too, or do they play whole different position?

 

[Luckylucci]

Agreed. But he also wanted some starters to step up and want to play special teams. See TJ and the punt return job.

As to the functional two deep, I agree that last year was a little rough for us but this year that shouldn't be as big of an issue, so there is no reason that we can't play lots of the 2nd team players on special teams and then occasionally sprinkle in some first teamers. I have to admit I would love to see Nix and Tuitt on FG block in a big game.

Correct, depth will continue to get better and so will playing 2nd stringers on ST. I just don't think we're there yet and I don't think that we'll ever be doing that against certain competition. I heard this presser and then read some interesting points of view on it. Basically the reason Kelly wasn't prepared for Bama to do that is because they hadn't done that is previous games. So he was surprised by it and said that next time we're going to do that as well. Big game coaching

 

[Emcee77]

Good point. Does that mean that Rochell passed Utupo too, or do they play whole different position?

I think it means that Rochell and Jones are both ahead of Utupo ... but I don't know.

I feel like it's one of those things, kind of like whether there is such a thing as a "starting" slot receiver, considering that we will likely do a lot of two-TE stuff, that is more complicated than the depth chart makes it seem. I mean, Kelly said that Schwenke can play a lot of techniques and is the most improved player on the team, along with Nick Martin. So I get the impression that Schwenke is really the number 2 at all 3 DL positions. Not sure if there is a pecking order behind him or if it is situational or what.

 

[koonja]

Good point. Does that mean that Rochell passed Utupo too, or do they play whole different position?

Shouldn't this be in those player's threads?

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[Luckylucci]

I think it means that Rochell and Jones are both ahead of Utupo ... but I don't know.

I feel like it's one of those things, kind of like whether there is such a thing as a "starting" slot receiver, considering that we will likely do a lot of two-TE stuff, that is more complicated than the depth chart makes it seem. I mean, Kelly said that Schwenke can play a lot of techniques and is the most improved player on the team, along with Nick Martin. So I get the impression that Schwenke is really the number 2 at all 3 DL positions. Not sure if there is a pecking order behind him or if it is situational or what.

Haha, that may be the biggest myth to BK's offense. Does it or does it not exist. Always keep the opposition guessing, I guess.

 

[irishog77]

I think it means that Rochell and Jones are both ahead of Utupo ... but I don't know.

I feel like it's one of those things, kind of like whether there is such a thing as a "starting" slot receiver, considering that we will likely do a lot of two-TE stuff, that is more complicated than the depth chart makes it seem. I mean, Kelly said that Schwenke can play a lot of techniques and is the most improved player on the team, along with Nick Martin. So I get the impression that Schwenke is really the number 2 at all 3 DL positions. Not sure if there is a pecking order behind him or if it is situational or what.

^ The bolded. Plus, I think Williams will be one of the 2 DE's on the field when in a 4-3. So Williams could probably be added to DE depth as well as Cat. So after the 3 starters, there's Kona, Ishaq, and then one of Jones/Rochelle as far as actual PT goes for guys that will put their hand on the ground on D.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I respectfully doubt that Kona is the second team DLine in any sense. Diaco needs bulk substitution there, just as in last year when Day/ Kona/ Tony would ALL come in at the same time to spell the big boys for a series or two.

Our second team DLine was supposed to be Tony/ Kona/ and Justin for awhile there. Tony went down and Isaac jumped everyone. So it's Isaac/ Kona ... and? This is why I believe that Ishaq is training about half and half as a "regular" DE. I look for a "Breather" DLine of Isaac/ Kona/ and Ishaq to sometimes show up in games. If Jarron really IS ready, so much the better --- we certainly could use some help there.

I also have a weird intuition that we might just see Stockton play some whether moving Kona to DE or he himself lining up side-by-side with Kona in a 4-3.

 

[pkt77242]

I noticed that it lists Stanley as being in his first year so they believe that he redshirted last year, which clears up that question.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I cant see/open the depth chart link. Can someone post it

 

[Kak7304]

I'm hoping that Jarron Jones listed in the two-deep is due to his effort and improvement, and not because of necessity.

I'm hoping Jarron is able to flip the switch and play aggressively in games. Some guys are just gamers and for one reason or another don't practice with the intensity they bring to games. Hopefully, Jarron is one of those guys and has a good showing in the games, which I don't think is too farfetched since he was always told to take it easy in practice.

 

[koonja]

I respectfully doubt that Kona is the second team DLine in any sense. Diaco needs bulk substitution there, just as in last year when Day/ Kona/ Tony would ALL come in at the same time to spell the big boys for a series or two.

Our second team DLine was supposed to be Tony/ Kona/ and Justin for awhile there. Tony went down and Isaac jumped everyone. So it's Isaac/ Kona ... and? This is why I believe that Ishaq is training about half and half as a "regular" DE. I look for a "Breather" DLine of Isaac/ Kona/ and Ishaq to sometimes show up in games. If Jarron really IS ready, so much the better --- we certainly could use some help there.

I also have a weird intuition that we might just see Stockton play some whether moving Kona to DE or he himself lining up side-by-side with Kona in a 4-3.

I hope Stocktan can be a player, but I think it's more likely that Jones lines up inside with Konda. In the spring game, Jones took most of his snaps inside on the 4-3, not DE.

 

[NDWorld247]

There wasn't much that surprised me with the depth chart. The only two things that did surprise me were:

1. Onwaulu over CJ
2. Bivin as the #2 LT. I realize Elmer is likely the true #2 LT should anything happen to ZMart, but seeing Bivin listed as a OT was surprising. I thought he was starting out at Center and also thought I saw him playing OG in some of the camp highlights. He's my personal favorite to take over for Watt at LG next season.

Also, I think it's safe to assume Collinsworth should be considered a near lock to return as a 5Y. To date, the only "lock" we've penciled in is Lombard while Collinsworth has fallen into the "questionable" category depending on who you talked/listened to. Hard to imagine the staff doesn't bring back a starter, regardless of how much depth is at the position.

 

[Ironman8]

There wasn't much that surprised me with the depth chart. The only two things that did surprise me were:

1. Onwaulu over CJ
2. Bivin as the #2 LT. I realize Elmer is likely the true #2 LT should anything happen to ZMart, but seeing Bivin listed as a OT was surprising. I thought he was starting out at Center and also thought I saw him playing OG in some of the camp highlights. He's my personal favorite to take over for Watt at LG next season.

Also, I think it's safe to assume Collinsworth should be considered a near lock to return as a 5Y. To date, the only "lock" we've penciled in is Lombard while Collinsworth has fallen into the "questionable" category depending on who you talked/listened to. Hard to imagine the staff doesn't bring back a starter, regardless of how much depth is at the position.

I think Hendrix is a lock too if he wants to return.

 

[NDWorld247]

I think Hendrix is a lock too if he wants to return.

Agreed. Forgot about Hendrix and, based on his recent comments, I think he'll choose to return.

 

[PANDFAN]

for clarification...Ishaq is the 3RD DE in rotation