'20 IL WR AJ Henning (Michigan Verbal)

[hungryhippo]

I think several prospects did it during the big official visit weekend for the USC game back in 2011.

ND had their biggest official visit weekend ever... then ruined it by laying an egg against the Trojans, and also had several USC prospects/commits trying to persuade everyone to check out USC.

That was a tough night for me. Just got dumped by a 2-3 yr gf that week. I remember screaming a couple choice words after Carlo's personal foul, and an old timer turning around to give me the look. One of my worst ND stadium memories.

 

[dublinirish]

I think several prospects did it during the big official visit weekend for the USC game back in 2011.

ND had their biggest official visit weekend ever... then ruined it by laying an egg against the Trojans, and also had several USC prospects/commits trying to persuade everyone to check out USC.

Jon Theus was there to chaperone RB recruit Keith Marshall who both ND and UGA were recruiting at the time

 

[Luckylucci]

In with the group that just wants this to be over.

 

[rtrn2glory]

In with the group that just wants this to be over.

+1

this isn't even entertaining.

 

[IrishLion]

Jon Theus was there to chaperone RB recruit Keith Marshall who both ND and UGA were recruiting at the time

I've got a list of like 10 college football "what if" scenarios that I think about sometimes, and "Keith Marshall to ND" is up there.

He would have been a game changer for ND... had he stayed healthy and avoided a catastrophic injury like he had at UGA, he could've run the ball through some of the struggles the ND offense had in 2013, I think, and might have even helped take the load off the depleted defense in 2014.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

In with the group that just wants this to be over.

Same, because I fully expect to lose it and wish the staff would move on. Amon-Ra all over again.

 

[IrishFanForever23]

Fong feeling like Georgia may have taken the lead, but isn't switching his pick yet.
https://247sports.com/college/michi...ing-update-following-Georgia-visit-132554416/

 

[arrowryan]

They can have him

 

[GBdomer]

They can have him

lol it's June and he's coming for an OV this weekend

you people act like this kid owes you something. When you are after top position skill players in the country this is just how it goes sometimes. I'm not saying he has handled this recruitment like a champ but he literally owes us and ND nothing.

 

[arrowryan]

lol it's June and he's coming for an OV this weekend

you people act like this kid owes you something. When you are after top position skill players in the country this is just how it goes sometimes. I'm not saying he has handled this recruitment like a champ but he literally owes us and ND nothing.

Owes me something? Lol I couldn’t care any less where he goes to school. Recruits like him that love the attention that recruiting brings usually don’t come to Notre Dame. I’ve seen this movie before. If I’m wrong then I’ll gladly eat crow.

 

[GBdomer]

Owes me something? Lol I couldn’t care any less where he goes to school. Recruits like him that love the attention that recruiting brings usually don’t come to Notre Dame. I’ve seen this movie before. If I’m wrong then I’ll gladly eat crow.

You care enough to say they can have him. I would say about 95% of recruits love attention. Usually that 5% ends up at ND but ND needs Henning or players like him. As it was mentioned on 247 Clemson showed us what it's gonna take to make this offense more explosive and big plays and actually get guys in space who scare you. We have probably 1-2 guys on the roster that do that. ND needs to upgrade the WR room and everyone knows it and they saw it up close and personal. Sure we won't have the 8 DUDES that Clemson currently has on it's roster but we need a few.

Now just need to wait on Lucky to come in and rebuttal my statement

 

[zelezo vlk]

You care enough to say they can have him. I would say about 95% of recruits love attention. Usually that 5% ends up at ND but ND needs Henning or players like him. As it was mentioned on 247 Clemson showed us what it's gonna take to make this offense more explosive and big plays and actually get guys in space who scare you. We have probably 1-2 guys on the roster that do that. ND needs to upgrade the WR room and everyone knows it and they saw it up close and personal. Sure we won't have the 8 DUDES that Clemson currently has on it's roster but we need a few.

Now just need to wait on Lucky to come in and rebuttal my statement

Well, are we sure that Henning is that caliber of talent after his injury? His elite speed as a freshman and sophomore made him a great prospect, but as Crus has posted several times in this thread, he looks to have lost a step or two. If he's back at his top speed tho, he's worth the hassle.

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[GBdomer]

Well, are we sure that Henning is that caliber of talent after his injury? His elite speed as a freshman and sophomore made him a great prospect, but as Crus has posted several times in this thread, he looks to have lost a step or two. If he's back at his top speed tho, he's worth the hassle.

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Totally understand and agree with what you are saying but the staff sure thinks so or else they wouldn't be pushing. I think he ran a 10.7 and that is plenty fast enough coming off a major injury. Who exactly knows though? But I trust Chip

 

[Luckylucci]

Ha, apparently I'm in somebody's head.

My opinion remains the same. Great if we do. Who cares if we don't. Our offensive class is going to be really good with or without him.

 

[NDMIA]

Ha, apparently I'm in somebody's head.

My opinion remains the same. Great if we do. Who cares if we don't. Our offensive class is going to be really good with or without him.

QB - Drew Pyne
RB - Chris Tyree
TE - Mike Mayer, Kevin Bauman
WR - Jordan Johnson, Jalen McMillan, AJ Henning, Xavier Watts (probably whatever 3 they can get)
OL - Tosh Baker, Michael Carmody

That’s my guess for offense and it is pretty damn special if it happens

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I just don’t think henning is coming here

 

[zelezo vlk]

Totally understand and agree with what you are saying but the staff sure thinks so or else they wouldn't be pushing. I think he ran a 10.7 and that is plenty fast enough coming off a major injury. Who exactly knows though? But I trust Chip

I actually figured they're pursuing Henning in case he makes even greater strides in his recovery. I wouldn't turn him away, but I bet the staff are more than okay with him not rushing the process as of now.

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[Luckylucci]

I just think they view it as all upside. The offense has recruited a lot of what it needs. Got some smallish speed/slot guys to develop with Keys, Lenzy, KAR. Got some long/big body athletes in Austin/Wilkins/Tremble/Hart. We needed to add that Alpha, #1 WR, and we did that with Johnson. Elite TE’s and a RB, check. This feels like a call option knowing it won’t make or break the roster.

 

[Rack Em]

I just think they view it as all upside. The offense has recruited a lot of what it needs. Got some smallish speed/slot guys to develop with Keys, Lenzy, KAR. Got some long/big body athletes in Austin/Wilkins/Tremble/Hart. We needed to add that Alpha, #1 WR, and we did that with Johnson. Elite TE’s and a RB, check. This feels like a call option knowing it won’t make or break the roster.

Totally understand and agree with what you are saying but the staff sure thinks so or else they wouldn't be pushing. I think he ran a 10.7 and that is plenty fast enough coming off a major injury. Who exactly knows though? But I trust Chip

I don’t disagree with either of you. But when has Kelly ever used a small hybrid WR/RB to the best of his abilities? There is a strong argument that guys like Carlisle, Davonte Neal, and CJ Sanders were horribly mismanaged and their skills not maximized. Urban Meyer could always pitch “the next Percy Harvin” because he took a stellar athlete and turned him into an extremely productive football player. Kelly has taken stellar athletes and let them ride the pine pony.

Yes we need athletes to compete without Clemson. But Kelly and his OC have to scheme up ways to get the ball to playmakers. I think that’s one of his greatest shortfalls in coaching at ND. Second to retaining BVG for so long.

 

[IrishLion]

I don’t disagree with either of you. But when has Kelly ever used a small hybrid WR/RB to the best of his abilities? There is a strong argument that guys like Carlisle, Davonte Neal, and CJ Sanders were horribly mismanaged and their skills not maximized. Urban Meyer could always pitch “the next Percy Harvin” because he took a stellar athlete and turned him into an extremely productive football player. Kelly has taken stellar athletes and let them ride the pine pony.

Yes we need athletes to compete without Clemson. But Kelly and his OC have to scheme up ways to get the ball to playmakers. I think that’s one of his greatest shortfalls in coaching at ND. Second to retaining BVG for so long.

Some of those concerns aren't as great, for me at least, because everything points to Chip Long actually having a majority control of the offense. You can tell when BK involves himself or steps in, but there's a lot of new stuff that is obviously from Long.

I think Long is more likely to get the young playmakers involved, as long as they keep themselves available (looking at you, Kevin Austin).

Plus, if you add two guys with world-class athleticism in the same class, like Tyree and Henning, then at least one of them HAS to get involved, right??

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I don’t disagree with either of you. But when has Kelly ever used a small hybrid WR/RB to the best of his abilities? There is a strong argument that guys like Carlisle, Davonte Neal, and CJ Sanders were horribly mismanaged and their skills not maximized. Urban Meyer could always pitch “the next Percy Harvin” because he took a stellar athlete and turned him into an extremely productive football player. Kelly has taken stellar athletes and let them ride the pine pony.

Yes we need athletes to compete without Clemson. But Kelly and his OC have to scheme up ways to get the ball to playmakers. I think that’s one of his greatest shortfalls in coaching at ND. Second to retaining BVG for so long.

Finke isn't really a hybrid RB/WR but he is a pure slot guy and ND has been using him very effectively. My guess is Henning is viewed as filling that role rather than the mythical RB/Slot that ND used to waste a year of Theo Riddick.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I don’t disagree with either of you. But when has Kelly ever used a small hybrid WR/RB to the best of his abilities? There is a strong argument that guys like Carlisle, Davonte Neal, and CJ Sanders were horribly mismanaged and their skills not maximized. Urban Meyer could always pitch “the next Percy Harvin” because he took a stellar athlete and turned him into an extremely productive football player. Kelly has taken stellar athletes and let them ride the pine pony.

Yes we need athletes to compete without Clemson. But Kelly and his OC have to scheme up ways to get the ball to playmakers. I think that’s one of his greatest shortfalls in coaching at ND. Second to retaining BVG for so long.

Agree, expect with your ranking. Special teams management is my #1 issue with BK's tenure.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I don’t disagree with either of you. But when has Kelly ever used a small hybrid WR/RB to the best of his abilities? There is a strong argument that guys like Carlisle, Davonte Neal, and CJ Sanders were horribly mismanaged and their skills not maximized. Urban Meyer could always pitch “the next Percy Harvin” because he took a stellar athlete and turned him into an extremely productive football player. Kelly has taken stellar athletes and let them ride the pine pony.

Yes we need athletes to compete without Clemson. But Kelly and his OC have to scheme up ways to get the ball to playmakers. I think that’s one of his greatest shortfalls in coaching at ND. Second to retaining BVG for so long.

Harvin was an incredibly rare talent. Do you really think Kelly couldn't figure out what to do with him?

He's gotten a lot out of little guys like Gilyard and Fuller, and hybrid guys like Riddick, Procise, and Armstrong.

Who knows what he would have done with Neal, you can't judge by his one year in which he was apparently in the doghouse. And I'm not sure I agree that CJ Sanders was anything but really fast. The lack of special teams attention hurt his return game, though, I agree.

 

[Luckylucci]

I've posted this before but I think the slot WR positions lack of productivity has been blown out of proportion to some degree.

It hasn't be the focal point of the offense and on a couple/few occasions it has been multiple guys so the "individual" stats don't look as appealing.

For example, Amir Carlisle's stats don't look good but that's because he was in a rep share with CJ Prosise. In 2014 they had 825 yards and 5 TD's receiving. Also, 171 yards rushing with 1 TD. So the position had 997 yards from scrimmage with 6 TD's. If that was one player, that's pretty damn good.

Over the two seasons of 2010 and 2011, Theo Riddick had 78 rec. for 850 yds. and 6 TD's. And it essentially paved the way for his entire NFL career. He's probably super thankful he got that experience.

I'll have to look up more of the numbers but I remember them being better than how people make it out to be.

 

[NDMIA]

I've posted this before but I think the slot WR positions lack of productivity has been blown out of proportion to some degree.

It hasn't be the focal point of the offense and on a couple/few occasions it has been multiple guys so the "individual" stats don't look as appealing.

For example, Amir Carlisle's stats don't look good but that's because he was in a rep share with CJ Prosise. In 2014 they had 825 yards and 5 TD's receiving. Also, 171 yards rushing with 1 TD. So the position had 997 yards from scrimmage with 6 TD's. If that was one player, that's pretty damn good.

Over the two seasons of 2010 and 2011, Theo Riddick had 78 rec. for 850 yds. and 6 TD's. And it essentially paved the way for his entire NFL career. He's probably super thankful he got that experience.

I'll have to look up more of the numbers but I remember them being better than how people make it out to be.

Great great points here. Percy Harvin had between 650-850yds receiving his SO and JR years so you don’t need 1,000 yards to use the position productively. He also had between 650-850 in rushing too which is impressive but you’re talking about the focal point of a national champion offense that was a superstar at the time. For kids to be getting 400-600yds would be really really impressive in its own right (Chris Finke had 571yds last year). ND has used the slot well when they have talented slot guys and a QB that can throw in there. Right now ND has that kind of QB to make that happen.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Interesting new Twitter cover photo https://twitter.com/ajhenning3

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Interesting new Twitter cover photo https://twitter.com/ajhenning3

Exactly don't even understand why the staff entertained the idea of having him visit again last week, when he is just playing us.

 

[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting choice for a twitter header for top <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Michigan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Michigan</a> target AJ Henning after Georgia official and ahead of Notre Dame OV. He’ll be in Ann Arbor in two weeks with A LOT of commits including J.J. McCarthy. <a href="https://t.co/hwcR3YWTIc">pic.twitter.com/hwcR3YWTIc</a></p>— Brandon Brown (@BSB_Wolverine) <a href="https://twitter.com/BSB_Wolverine/status/1136672650187685889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And this is his profile pic.

Coming to Gotham to create mayhem?

Hope the Commisioner tells him to keep driving.

 

[BobbyMac]

Peddling T-Shirts??? ND Lock.

Who's his host... Joe Fredrick?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After shooting a feature with us today, <a href="https://twitter.com/AJHenning3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AJHenning3</a> gave us a recruiting update (and also a little shoutout for his FOTG gear 🙂) <br>Look for his feature in our upcoming season <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SSoT?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SSoT</a> <a href="https://t.co/BJmzqeJtoh">pic.twitter.com/BJmzqeJtoh</a></p>— Sports Stars of Tomorrow (@SportsStarsTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsStarsTV/status/1136359902656565249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[anarin]

it'll kinda be the reverse mcgregor effect. He's going to look all michigan until he chooses ND. Basically just trolling them the entire time while being a silent to the Irish.

You heard it here 1st! lol