'20 CT QB Drew Pyne (ND->ASU->MO->BGSU Transfer)

[fightingirish26]

His release is very quick and impressive. Other than that, yeah he seems like a 3 star.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

great, next Ian confirmed...

 

[GBdomer]

Drew Pyne- 13 games, 64.7%, 2822 total yards, 32 total TD, 6 INT
DJ Uiagaleli- 14 games, 69.6% 3678 total yards, 54 total TD, 6 INT
Bryce Young- 15 games, 69.8% 4132 total yards, 43 total TD, 6 INT
Haynes King-16 games, 69.2%, 4543 total yards, 50 total TD, 4 INT
Luke Doty- 13 games, 63.5%, 3738 total yards, 43 total TD, 6 INT
Jay Butterfield- 14 games, 64.2%, 3294 total yards, 43 total TD, 11 INT
Malik Hornsby-12 games, 58.6%, 2741 total yards, 36 total TD, 2 INT
Hudson Card- 15 games, 67.8%, 4162 total yards, 59 total TD, 4 INT
Carson Beck- 14 games, 58.7%, 3527 total yards, 41 total TD, 8 INT
Jack Miller- 8 games, 55.1%, 2494 total yards, 27 total TD, 6 INT
Harrison Bailey- 9 games, 63.3%, 2761 total yards, 33 total TD, 6 INT
Chubba Purdy- 14 games, 64.4%, 4578 total yards, 58 total TD, 10 INT

Some stats for other QB's, so I mean I understand it.

If you didn't know Drew Pyne ratings or anything you would find a high 3* low 4*. You would find a 6'0, 180 pound? QB with some move ability, decent arm, decent/good accuracy against decent/poor competition. I understand the drop and I see the side where people would be upset. But he's the same QB he was yesterday as a 4* as he is today as a 3*. I appreciate Drew Pyne because he seems to have a chip on his shoulder and just feel like he is a leader. Excited he is part of this class

It also shows how big Buchner is. If we take Brendon Clark, Drew Pyne followed by Buchner I think that's all perfect being wedged in watching Phil make playoff and Heisman races

 

[Irish#1]

great, next Montana confirmed...

FIFY

 

[Domina Nostra]

Drew Pyne- 13 games, 64.7%, 2822 total yards, 32 total TD, 6 INT
DJ Uiagaleli- 14 games, 69.6% 3678 total yards, 54 total TD, 6 INT
Bryce Young- 15 games, 69.8% 4132 total yards, 43 total TD, 6 INT
Haynes King-16 games, 69.2%, 4543 total yards, 50 total TD, 4 INT
Luke Doty- 13 games, 63.5%, 3738 total yards, 43 total TD, 6 INT
Jay Butterfield- 14 games, 64.2%, 3294 total yards, 43 total TD, 11 INT
Malik Hornsby-12 games, 58.6%, 2741 total yards, 36 total TD, 2 INT
Hudson Card- 15 games, 67.8%, 4162 total yards, 59 total TD, 4 INT
Carson Beck- 14 games, 58.7%, 3527 total yards, 41 total TD, 8 INT
Jack Miller- 8 games, 55.1%, 2494 total yards, 27 total TD, 6 INT
Harrison Bailey- 9 games, 63.3%, 2761 total yards, 33 total TD, 6 INT
Chubba Purdy- 14 games, 64.4%, 4578 total yards, 58 total TD, 10 INT

Some stats for other QB's, so I mean I understand it.

If you didn't know Drew Pyne ratings or anything you would find a high 3* low 4*. You would find a 6'0, 180 pound? QB with some move ability, decent arm, decent/good accuracy against decent/poor competition. I understand the drop and I see the side where people would be upset. But he's the same QB he was yesterday as a 4* as he is today as a 3*. I appreciate Drew Pyne because he seems to have a chip on his shoulder and just feel like he is a leader. Excited he is part of this class

It also shows how big Buchner is. If we take Brendon Clark, Drew Pyne followed by Buchner I think that's all perfect being wedged in watching Phil make playoff and Heisman races

I agree. I've not understood certain offers in the past, and this is one of them. The coaches are usually right, so I am not drawing any conclusions.

As a completely amateur talent evaluator, I want two of the following in all my QBs:

1) exceptional size and arm power (Kizer, Phil, Gunner)
2) exceptional mobility and speed (Zaire, Wimbush)
3) exceptional play-making/touch (Book)

To me he's small, decently mobile, and a good playmaker.

I just don't understand taking a QB his size unless he is insanely mobile, or is just an unbelievable playmaker with a whip arm, and he does not seem like either to me.

Also, I think taking Pyne following Brendon Clark is not ideal. Clarke seems to me a boom or bust project, and Pyne seems like a low-ceiling guy.

I really hope they hit it out of the park this year.

 

[Irish YJ]

I agree. I've not understood certain offers in the past, and this is one of them. The coaches are usually right, so I am not drawing any conclusions.

As a completely amateur talent evaluator, I want two of the following in all my QBs:

1) exceptional size and arm power (Kizer, Phil, Gunner)
2) exceptional mobility and speed (Zaire, Wimbush)
3) exceptional play-making/touch (Book)

To me he's small, decently mobile, and a good playmaker.

I just don't understand taking a QB his size unless he is insanely mobile, or is just an unbelievable playmaker with a whip arm, and he does not seem like either to me.

Also, I think taking Pyne following Brendon Clark is not ideal. Clarke seems to me a boom or bust project, and Pyne seems like a low-ceiling guy.

I really hope they hit it out of the park this year.

In all likelihood, Book starts the next two years (19, 20), Phil the next two (21,22), At that point in the 23 season you have 19Clark a SR with one year left, 20Pyne a JR with two, 21Buchner or some other Soph with 3, and 22Allen or some other RS Frosh.

That's really 2 more cycles (21 and 22) to find a stud. I'm not going to count Clark and Pyne out right now though like everyone did to Book lol. I like what Reesus is doing and thus far, trusting his judgement and development.

 

[Domina Nostra]

In all likelihood, Book starts the next two years (19, 20), Phil the next two (21,22), At that point in the 23 season you have 19Clark a SR with one year left, 20Pyne a JR with two, 21Buchner or some other Soph with 3, and 22Allen or some other RS Frosh.

That's really 2 more cycles (21 and 22) to find a stud. I'm not going to count Clark and Pyne out right now though like everyone did to Book lol. I like what Reesus is doing and thus far, trusting his judgement and development.

I'm not writing off Book or anyone. I just don't see them Clark and Pyne as top prospects, which puts a lot of pressure on Phil to pan out. A lot of time, even the best prospects don't plus kids get hurt.

It just doesn't strike me as very successful recruiting.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm not writing off Book or anyone. I just don't see them Clark and Pyne as top prospects, which puts a lot of pressure on Phil to pan out. A lot of time, even the best prospects don't plus kids get hurt.

It just doesn't strike me as very successful recruiting.

I agree for the most part, but honestly I didn't expect to get a stud following Phil.

Honestly though, before last year, would you have predicted the success that Book had? Would you have taken Book before a Clark or Pyne?

Anymore, in the new age of QB free agency, I'm good with getting a true stud every 2-3 years, and getting underrated high 3 star or low 4 star guys in between. Two studs two years in a row will likely end up with a situation like UGA this off season. Nobody wants to wait, or be passed anymore.

 

[Luckylucci]

I agree. I've not understood certain offers in the past, and this is one of them. The coaches are usually right, so I am not drawing any conclusions.

As a completely amateur talent evaluator, I want two of the following in all my QBs:

1) exceptional size and arm power (Kizer, Phil, Gunner)
2) exceptional mobility and speed (Zaire, Wimbush)
3) exceptional play-making/touch (Book)

To me he's small, decently mobile, and a good playmaker.

I just don't understand taking a QB his size unless he is insanely mobile, or is just an unbelievable playmaker with a whip arm, and he does not seem like either to me.

Also, I think taking Pyne following Brendon Clark is not ideal. Clarke seems to me a boom or bust project, and Pyne seems like a low-ceiling guy.

I really hope they hit it out of the park this year.

Not going to take the time to do so but I'd be interested in knowing if you were saying the same thing (before he committed) when he was visiting and getting offers from Bama, FSU, Oklahoma, Auburn, and PSU. Seems a little Monday morning QB'ing here. At that time, if we lost him to Oklahoma, the world would've been over. We lost a national QB prospect to Oklahoma. Meltdown ensues, rinse and repeat. Now that his ranking has dropped, it's, I always thought he was a reach by the staff.

I tend to agree with Jamie U at ISD who has him as a low 4 star and I'm comfortable with that rating. I don't think you can have him too low because he does have a solid floor. His mechanics and quick release are some of the best in the nation. Good arm strength, better than Book at similar a stage, puts a solid floor in his game. He's also a better athlete than people give him credit for. Lastly, my understanding is he has a very good grasp on how hard the process is going to be. I don't think willingness to work can be understated in the process of being successful at the next level.

 

[Irishnuke]

In all likelihood, Book starts the next two years (19, 20), Phil the next two (21,22), At that point in the 23 season you have 19Clark a SR with one year left, 20Pyne a JR with two, 21Buchner or some other Soph with 3, and 22Allen or some other RS Frosh.

That's really 2 more cycles (21 and 22) to find a stud. I'm not going to count Clark and Pyne out right now though like everyone did to Book lol. I like what Reesus is doing and thus far, trusting his judgement and development.

Unfortunately I don’t see it playing out like that. Maybe 10 years ago a stud, or projected stud, would have been fine waiting until a red shirt junior year to start, but the game is different today. If Phil isn’t starting by 2020 I don’t think he’ll stick around to start in 21 and 22.

 

[Irish YJ]

Unfortunately I don’t see it playing out like that. Maybe 10 years ago a stud, or projected stud, would have been fine waiting until a red shirt junior year to start, but the game is different today. If Phil isn’t starting by 2020 I don’t think he’ll stick around to start in 21 and 22.

just my opinion, but I think it works out well for Phil in that scenario. two years to play without any threatening guys behind him. i just don't see Phil leaving early only to sit out a year, and also having to learn a new system. Why not just be a back up for a year instead of sitting out, if you know you're a year away regardless.

if he is good enough to de-throne Book, I'm all for it. i just believe right now that Book is without a doubt the better QB, and will take a step forward this year. if not, bring on PJ!

 

[NDMIA]

Drew Pyne, 6'1'' 180lbs
Offers (23 offers): South Alabama, FSU, South Carolina, Alabama, Penn State, Mizzou, VT, Ole Miss, BC, Auburn, UNC, Buffalo, Maryland, UConn, Oklahoma, Baylor, LSU, Miami, Notre Dame, Miss St, Arizona, Louisville, Michigan
247 Composite Rating: .9378 (12th QB Overall Pro/Dual)
247 Rating: 88
Rivals Rating: 5.9
ESPN Rating: 83
2016 Season (FR): 12-1 State Champions 64% C%, 2347yds, 26TDs, 11Int
2017 Season (SO): 9-3 State Semis 60% C%, 2355yds, 25TDs, 11Int
2018 Season (JR): 10-3 State Finals 65% C%, 2602yds, 30TDs, 6Int

First off, with 23 offers before committing very early in the process, Pyne is/was one of the most offered QB's in the class. On top of that, Pyne will be a 4 year starter in high school who has done a ton of winning (I get that most high school QB's that are ranked do a ton of winning). Even though he's an 88 on 247 and got a sharp drop, he's still the 12th ranked QB in the composite ratings and has excellent ratings and reviews from Rivals and ESPN. Also, 4/7/19 is The Opening Regional in New Jersey, 4/28/19 is the Under Armour Camp Series in Baltimore, MD, and 5/5/19 is The Rivals 3 Stripe Camp in New Jersey. I imagine Pyne will attend at least one or more of those camps as a big time signal caller where he can compare his stuff with the best of the best. Plus, if the cycle were coming to an end soon, he'd be invited probably to a bunch of All American games (along with Elite 11) where he can showcase his stuff and have chance to boost his ratings back up. I think Pyne is a perfect fit for ND in the 2020 class and will showcase his talents and improve his stock which really hasn't dropped that much except for the one rating at 247 which isn't the end of the world.

 

[NDIrish88]

Drew Pyne, 6'1'' 180lbs
Offers (23 offers): South Alabama, FSU, South Carolina, Alabama, Penn State, Mizzou, VT, Ole Miss, BC, Auburn, UNC, Buffalo, Maryland, UConn, Oklahoma, Baylor, LSU, Miami, Notre Dame, Miss St, Arizona, Louisville, Michigan
247 Composite Rating: .9378 (12th QB Overall Pro/Dual)
247 Rating: 88
Rivals Rating: 5.9
ESPN Rating: 83
2016 Season (FR): 12-1 State Champions 64% C%, 2347yds, 26TDs, 11Int
2017 Season (SO): 9-3 State Semis 60% C%, 2355yds, 25TDs, 11Int
2018 Season (JR): 10-3 State Finals 65% C%, 2602yds, 30TDs, 6Int

First off, with 23 offers before committing very early in the process, Pyne is/was one of the most offered QB's in the class. On top of that, Pyne will be a 4 year starter in high school who has done a ton of winning (I get that most high school QB's that are ranked do a ton of winning). Even though he's an 88 on 247 and got a sharp drop, he's still the 12th ranked QB in the composite ratings and has excellent ratings and reviews from Rivals and ESPN. Also, 4/7/19 is The Opening Regional in New Jersey, 4/28/19 is the Under Armour Camp Series in Baltimore, MD, and 5/5/19 is The Rivals 3 Stripe Camp in New Jersey. I imagine Pyne will attend at least one or more of those camps as a big time signal caller where he can compare his stuff with the best of the best. Plus, if the cycle were coming to an end soon, he'd be invited probably to a bunch of All American games (along with Elite 11) where he can showcase his stuff and have chance to boost his ratings back up. I think Pyne is a perfect fit for ND in the 2020 class and will showcase his talents and improve his stock which really hasn't dropped that much except for the one rating at 247 which isn't the end of the world.

Thank God Lucky and NDMIA gave their 2 cents. These were both well thought out reviews. I am higher on him than Jamie U, and it would also seem, most people who have come out of the woodwork on this board. This kid is a gamer and his film doesn't lie. If he were 2 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier his ranking would probably be higher than it was before.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Not going to take the time to do so but I'd be interested in knowing if you were saying the same thing (before he committed) when he was visiting and getting offers from Bama, FSU, Oklahoma, Auburn, and PSU. Seems a little Monday morning QB'ing here. At that time, if we lost him to Oklahoma, the world would've been over. We lost a national QB prospect to Oklahoma. Meltdown ensues, rinse and repeat. Now that his ranking has dropped, it's, I always thought he was a reach by the staff.

I tend to agree with Jamie U at ISD who has him as a low 4 star and I'm comfortable with that rating. I don't think you can have him too low because he does have a solid floor. His mechanics and quick release are some of the best in the nation. Good arm strength, better than Book at similar a stage, puts a solid floor in his game. He's also a better athlete than people give him credit for. Lastly, my understanding is he has a very good grasp on how hard the process is going to be. I don't think willingness to work can be understated in the process of being successful at the next level.

Like I said, I don't really get bent out of shape about recruiting, and I chalk a lot up to the coaches knowing lots and lots that I don't. I also hate Junior recruiting, and despise Sophomore recruiting, so I would not have had an opinion on 15 year old Mr. Pine, other than something generic like "it's too early to have an opinion on him unless he is a genetic freak."

I also don't necessarily understand why Kelly seems to toggle between types of QBs. IMO, he goes after the best available, rather than the kid who fits best in the system. Personally, I would prefer he recruit Kaizer/Phil-types (even if the occasional Crist burns out). I enjoy a big tall QB who can see over the line and stay in the pocket a little longer and not get as many balls knocked down. But what do I know?

I am also fine with the smaller Golson, Book, Pyne types too, as long as its not every year. Some of them definitely turn out to be gamers and tend to be smart players that keep practices intense. The fact is that there are simply more skilled 6'0", 180 lb. QBs to be had, so even though their long-term ceiling may be lower, you can get a higher immediate-impact prospect (like Book) to take a back-up role. That can save a season.

However, I am not too keen on the Zaire and Wimbush-types. I just think its too hard to be good at both running and passing, and the WRs and TEs get underutilized. I thought Wimbush might do it, but he didn't. That's what I see when I look at Clarke.

So I think they got three different types of QBs in 3 years. One seems like what I would like to be going for, one seems pretty small, and one seems to have developed in a run-heavy scheme. Not my ideal 3-year stretch.

 

[IrishLion]

I also don't necessarily understand why Kelly seems to toggle between types of QBs. IMO, he goes after the best available, rather than the kid who fits best in the system.

I think that's because Kelly's system is flexible enough and friendly-enough towards sub packages to allow any type of QB to run the show. You just change the play sheet based on what your QB is going to do best.

The real thing to look for at this point is whether the guy has an accurate arm or not.

If he can complete more than 60% of his passes, BK is going to get what he needs from his QB, regardless of skill set.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If he can complete more than 60% of his passes, BK is going to get what he needs from his QB, regardless of skill set.

We've only had 3 of those in BK's 8 seasons.

 

[IrishLion]

We've only had 3 of those in BK's 8 seasons.

Tommy, Kizer, and Ian, right?

The ND QB situation has been a crapshoot... but I'd say those three above kind of make my point. When given a chance at stability, they did what BK needed them to do in ND's best seasons under BK.

The outlier is Golson in '12, but he was backed up by a generational defense.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Tommy, Kizer, and Ian, right?

The ND QB situation has been a crapshoot... but I'd say those three above kind of make my point. When given a chance at stability, they did what BK needed them to do in ND's best seasons under BK.

The outlier is Golson in '12, but he was backed up by a generational defense.

I wasn't disagreeing with your larger point. Just pointing out that "all we need is a QB capable of 60%+ completion" is a taller order than it sounds.

 

[dad4aa]

Tommy, Kizer, and Ian, right?

The ND QB situation has been a crapshoot... but I'd say those three above kind of make my point. When given a chance at stability, they did what BK needed them to do in ND's best seasons under BK.

The outlier is Golson in '12, but he was backed up by a generational defense and had Tommy to bail him out when needed.

FIFY

 

[IrishLion]

I wasn't disagreeing with your larger point. Just pointing out that "all we need is a QB capable of 60%+ completion" is a taller order than it sounds.

You're right. It wouldn't seem to be such a tall order if ND had just average luck with continuity and development at the QB position... but the events that have surrounded ND's QB's since BK arrived have been batshit crazy.

2010 - Dayne Crist seems to be getting it, might be a guy that can throw for 300+ per game ala Tony Pike... but he doesn't know how to defend himself when he runs, and gets himself hurt

2011 - Tommy Rees seemingly brings stability, albeit a low ceiling physically

2012 - Golson creates "turnover" in the best way possible by pushing Tommy and taking the job in the natural way that is supposed to happen

2013 - Golson f*cks it up

2014 - Golson is back, still f*cks it up

2015 - Zaire might be the GOAT! Jk, he broke his ankle. But Kizer might be the GOAT!

2016 - Jk, BK doesn't know how to handle continuity at the QB position and the DC is a bafoon, ruining the team in general

2017 - Wimbush might be the GOAT! But then we find out his arm accuracy might be a problem

2018 - Wimbush's accuracy is unfixable, but Ian might be the GOAT!

2019 - ???

Literally anything that could happen to mess up the QB continuity in '19 has already happened. We've seen it all.

 

[Irish YJ]

I wasn't disagreeing with your larger point. Just pointing out that "all we need is a QB capable of 60%+ completion" is a taller order than it sounds.

It has been a tall order, but it really shouldn't be. 60 out of 126 QBs last year were at least 60%. At a school like ND, especially with the OLs that we've had, 60% SHOULD be a given. Why is it that we have struggled so bad in this area? Is this a BK revisited topic? LOL

 

[IrishLion]

It has been a tall order, but it really shouldn't be. 60 out of 126 QBs last year were at least 60%. At a school like ND, especially with the OLs that we've had, 60% SHOULD be a given. Why is it that we have struggled so bad in this area? Is this a BK revisited topic? LOL

See my previous post, which is now buried by a page-turn.

ND's luck with continuity and development at QB has been so ridiculous that it looks like the team might really have been cursed at some point.

2010 - Dayne Crist seems to be getting it, might be a guy that can throw for 300+ per game ala Tony Pike... but he doesn't know how to defend himself when he runs, and gets himself hurt

2011 - Tommy Rees seemingly brings stability, albeit a low ceiling physically

2012 - Golson creates "turnover" in the best way possible by pushing Tommy and taking the job in the natural way that is supposed to happen

2013 - Golson f*cks it up

2014 - Golson is back, still f*cks it up

2015 - Zaire might be the GOAT! Jk, he broke his ankle. But Kizer might be the GOAT!

2016 - Jk, BK doesn't know how to handle continuity at the QB position and the DC is a bafoon, ruining the team in general

2017 - Wimbush might be the GOAT! But then we find out his arm accuracy might be a problem

2018 - Wimbush's accuracy is unfixable, but Ian might be the GOAT!

2019 - ???

Literally anything that could happen to mess up the QB continuity in '19 has already happened. We've seen it all.

 

[Irish YJ]

it didn't get lost on a page turn for me .

yup, it's a head scratcher for sure. there are typically 25-30 QBs each year that are 65+%, and another 30ish between 60 and 65%. No reason why ND should not be consistently in the 60s, if not 65+.

very happy that Reesus is here, and very happy with Book. after all, Book came in with very little QB1 reps, and ended up top 10 in QBR and completion %. for the life of me, i can't understand the folks still hating on him, especially given the situation. now if he shits the bed this year, or fails to improve on the long ball, fine. but last year was a phenomenal start for someone with his ratings thrown to the wolves mid season.

and if he goes backwards like most BK year 2 QBs, i'll likely give up on BK?Long for good.

See my previous post, which is now buried by a page-turn.

ND's luck with continuity and development at QB has been so ridiculous that it looks like the team might really have been cursed at some point.

2010 - Dayne Crist seems to be getting it, might be a guy that can throw for 300+ per game ala Tony Pike... but he doesn't know how to defend himself when he runs, and gets himself hurt

2011 - Tommy Rees seemingly brings stability, albeit a low ceiling physically

2012 - Golson creates "turnover" in the best way possible by pushing Tommy and taking the job in the natural way that is supposed to happen

2013 - Golson f*cks it up

2014 - Golson is back, still f*cks it up

2015 - Zaire might be the GOAT! Jk, he broke his ankle. But Kizer might be the GOAT!

2016 - Jk, BK doesn't know how to handle continuity at the QB position and the DC is a bafoon, ruining the team in general

2017 - Wimbush might be the GOAT! But then we find out his arm accuracy might be a problem

2018 - Wimbush's accuracy is unfixable, but Ian might be the GOAT!

2019 - ???

Literally anything that could happen to mess up the QB continuity in '19 has already happened. We've seen it all.

 

[IrishLion]

it didn't get lost on a page turn for me .

yup, it's a head scratcher for sure. there are typically 25-30 QBs each year that are 65+%, and another 30ish between 60 and 65%. No reason why ND should not be consistently in the 60s, if not 65+.

very happy that Reesus is here, and very happy with Book. after all, Book came in with very little QB1 reps, and ended up top 10 in QBR and completion %. for the life of me, i can't understand the folks still hating on him, especially given the situation. now if he shits the bed this year, or fails to improve on the long ball, fine. but last year was a phenomenal start for someone with his ratings thrown to the wolves mid season.

and if he goes backwards like most BK year 2 QBs, i'll likely give up on BK?Long for good.

There's the really damning thing. Even when things have broken how they're supposed to, BK has messed it up or his QB's have regressed.

Does he put too much on his QB's when he views them as veterans? Does the change in playcalling result in less efficiency?

Maybe it's just been more situational bad luck, and the instances of "regression" from incumbents have just been coincidental.

We'll find out this year, I guess. If we start seeing inexplicable delay-of-game penalties for the first time in two years, or generally poor decision making from a QB that looked to be pretty sharp, then we'll know it's BK putting too much on his veterans and too quickly.

 

[stlnd01]

It’s all fine at QB as long as Phil works out. If he doesn’t, better hope Pyne (or Clark, I guess) is the real deal.

No pressure, Phil.

 

[stlnd01]

Unfortunately I don’t see it playing out like that. Maybe 10 years ago a stud, or projected stud, would have been fine waiting until a red shirt junior year to start, but the game is different today. If Phil isn’t starting by 2020 I don’t think he’ll stick around to start in 21 and 22.

It could be a very “interesting” situation at the end of ‘19. I don’t see Book being a slam-dunk NFL pick, but he’ll probably win us a bunch of games. If he wants to come back for a 5Y do you really say no?

If you bring him back for ‘20 though, do you risk losing Phil? Transfer waivers seem to get easier by the year, so I wouldn’t count on the “he’ll have to sit a year” deterrent. Maybe he’ll be content to sit and know he’s the man the next two seasons, but I wouldn’t count on that either, not when he’s been watching classmates like Trevor Lawrence play for years already. And then if he goes, you’re really screwed come ‘21.

These things do have a way of working themselves out, but looking ahead I don’t envy BK on that decision.

 

[Irish YJ]

There's the really damning thing. Even when things have broken how they're supposed to, BK has messed it up or his QB's have regressed.

Does he put too much on his QB's when he views them as veterans? Does the change in playcalling result in less efficiency?

Maybe it's just been more situational bad luck, and the instances of "regression" from incumbents have just been coincidental.

We'll find out this year, I guess. If we start seeing inexplicable delay-of-game penalties for the first time in two years, or generally poor decision making from a QB that looked to be pretty sharp, then we'll know it's BK putting too much on his veterans and too quickly.

I definitely think it's BK pushing certain play calls. I could see it last year, starting mostly in the VT game. After the first series or two, BK started going outside of what Book was comfortable with (maybe outside of what the O was capable of or comfortable with).

I know you have to push players outside of their comfort zones, and I know you have to open the play book up, but.... it just seems BK is almost scripting the forcefulness without consideration of game flow. And either that forcefulness is too strong, or it's not flexible enough. Saw the same things with Wimbush, DK, and MZ.

 

[Domina Nostra]

It has been a tall order, but it really shouldn't be. 60 out of 126 QBs last year were at least 60%. At a school like ND, especially with the OLs that we've had, 60% SHOULD be a given. Why is it that we have struggled so bad in this area? Is this a BK revisited topic? LOL

This is exactly what I think, which is why I don't really like recruiting kids like Zaire and Davis and Clarke who don't have a lot of (or at least as much) experience passing the ball in high school. I don't care how much potential you have, there is a lot of be said for 1,000 live reps in high school. (Again, if you are some supreme physical talent, I am all for giving it a go. So, yes, to the Wimbushes and Terrell Pryors. And yes to the concessional Jimmy Clausen who couldn't scramble if his life depended on it. But those are the exception to the rule.)

So I am fine with the Pyne's and Book's or the world, but there are some 6'3" versions who we should work harder to land. More Quins, Crists, Kizers, and Phils, IMHO.

 

[Irish YJ]

This is exactly what I think, which is why I don't really like recruiting kids like Zaire and Davis and Clarke who don't have a lot of (or at least as much) experience passing the ball in high school. I don't care how much potential you have, there is a lot of be said for 1,000 live reps in high school. (Again, if you are some supreme physical talent, I am all for giving it a go. So, yes, to the Wimbushes and Terrell Pryors. And yes to the concessional Jimmy Clausen who couldn't scramble if his life depended on it. But those are the exception to the rule.)

So I am fine with the Pyne's and Book's or the world, but there are some 6'3" versions who we should work harder to land. More Quins, Crists, Kizers, and Phils, IMHO.

Clark had some decent #s IIRC. Like 35 passing TDs, and only a few INTs last year. I don't remember his throwing motion or arm strength, but is yards per completion was 15+ yards. Pyne not bad either. But agree in terms of you lined out.

 

[GBdomer]

Another thing with Pyne was he was a big name QB when he was in 8th grade and freshman year when he might have picked up those offers from Bama, FSU, Auburn, Georgia and so on. So sure he might have picked up those offers when he was 13-15 but it wasn't like he was rolling in those offers right before or after he committed to ND. If Pyne called up some of those programs this year or heck even last year how many of them are commitable?

IrishLion beautiful post about BK and how fucked up the QB play has been since he's got here. That's why I laugh when people say he won't fit BK's system. What system before Chip got here? It was literally all over the place and the QB's we have taken are just so different every year it seems. Chip Long seems to have stabilized the offense and the position somewhat. QB play for me and QB recruiting to me has been extremely average outside of Phil. That's why I firmly believe Phil Jurkovec is the most important player on the ND roster maybe outside of Book. He just has to figure it out because the measurable s are just insane