2 QB system

[DCirishfan]

Kiel's team next year.

how bout this year? Dude is beast

 

[texbender]

Yeah it's not the way you would want it, bit BK did what he had to do by pulling EG. Hopefully development will continue, and wins, too.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Those calling for Kiel next year need to accept that he'd make the mistakes that Tommy made last year and that EG made last night. It's what young quarterbacks do.

 

[irishff1014]

Those calling for Kiel next year need to accept that he'd make the mistakes that Tommy made last year and that EG made last night. It's what young quarterbacks do.

I agree Jayhawk

 

[theclassickiller]

That's not true. He was always there behind BK. If you were looking for a red hat etc you wouldn't find it. He had his helmet on the whole time.

This is true. Golson was out there each time. He even chimed in after a couple 3-and-outs and Kelly acknowledged that he made a good read. He was standing right by Tommy the whole time.

 

[BobD]

I would suggest hiring a high profile QB coach. IMHO QB development is an issue.

Love the coaches but we have a weakness there.

 

[irishog77]

Bobby D may be onto something...

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I would suggest hiring a high profile QB coach. IMHO QB development is an issue.

Love the coaches but we have a weakness there.

This is a really good idea. I can't think of anyone but a QB coach who has coached other players in similar situations as Golson and Kiel and Maire would be a huge benefit. Once we get a solid QB, we're golden.

 

[mrmiller8]

So you mean to tell me that Brian Kelly does not do a good enough job at developing good college quarterbacks? He had tommy the last two years and as much as I respect tommy for what hes doing in his role right now, his ceiling isn't very high, but hes a good enough quarterback to get it done. In fact he has gotten it done twice.

Kelly does have a reputation for developing some QB's at this level.

Zach Colares at UC
Dan Lefevour at CMU
Tony Pike at UC

Im sure back in the D2 days at grand valley he did some work as well...

 

[irishff1014]

So you mean to tell me that Brian Kelly does not do a good enough job at developing good college quarterbacks? He had tommy the last two years and as much as I respect tommy for what hes doing in his role right now, his ceiling isn't very high, but hes a good enough quarterback to get it done. In fact he has gotten it done twice.

Kelly does have a reputation for developing some QB's at this level.

Zach Colares at UC
Dan Lefevour at CMU
Tony Pike at UC

Im sure back in the D2 days at grand valley he did some work as well...

Do you want good or great?

 

[BobD]

So you mean to tell me that Brian Kelly does not do a good enough job at developing good college quarterbacks? He had tommy the last two years and as much as I respect tommy for what hes doing in his role right now, his ceiling isn't very high, but hes a good enough quarterback to get it done. In fact he has gotten it done twice.

Kelly does have a reputation for developing some QB's at this level.

Zach Colares at UC
Dan Lefevour at CMU
Tony Pike at UC

Im sure back in the D2 days at grand valley he did some work as well...

There's some household names

 

[DCirishfan]

I have to say I don't really see much from EG that shouts great talent. He does not seem that explosive running e.g. Dennard R and frankly his passing seems pretty darn bad. I am actually starting to want to see AH in there.

 

[Cogs]

We need 1 QB, and 1 QB only. Again, Golson would have led us to a victory if he was in for the rest of our game, because the DEFENSE won us this game. Having 2 QB's limits Golson's experience and maturity, thus limiting our QB progression. Holtz is right: If you have 2 QB's, you really only have 1.

 

[pkt77242]

We need 1 QB, and 1 QB only. Again, Golson would have led us to a victory if he was in for the rest of our game, because the DEFENSE won us this game. Having 2 QB's limits Golson's experience and maturity, thus limiting our QB progression. Holtz is right: If you have 2 QB's, you really only have 1.

Get over it. I am so tired of reading your bitching about the QB situation.

As for the bolded part, I am glad that you can see into an alternate universe to know how the game would have gone had Golson stayed in. Takes a big man to say things that are unprovable and state them as fact.

 

[DCirishfan]

Without Tommy I don't think we win that game. So why play eg? Just curious. Guess bk see big things but **** is getting reap now can't have the training wheels on.

 

[Cogs]

Get over it. I am so tired of reading your bitching about the QB situation.

As for the bolded part, I am glad that you can see into an alternate universe to know how the game would have gone had Golson stayed in. Takes a big man to say things that are unprovable and state them as fact.

Your tired of me bitching about the QB situation on a a thread that's entitled: "2 QB system?"
ahahah get out of here man. And saying that Golson would have done much worse than Rees if he stayed in is an unproven fact as well, isn't it?

 

[pkt77242]

Your tired of me bitching about the QB situation on a a thread that's entitled: "2 QB system?"
ahahah get out of here man. And saying that Rees would have played better than Golson, if Golson stayed in is an unproven fact as well, isn't it?

You have been bitching in every thread, not just this one. Stating how Golson would still have won the game for us. Maybe, maybe not but what we do know is that Golson played horrible and looked lost. He was rather inaccurate, was making poor reads, and throwing stupid passes. Rees seemed to calm the team down and got them moving. Now Rees has his own limitations but he was the perfect prescription for what ailed us.

 

[Cogs]

You have been bitching in every thread, not just this one. Stating how Golson would still have won the game for us. Maybe, maybe not but what we do know is that Golson played horrible and looked lost. He was rather inaccurate, was making poor reads, and throwing stupid passes. Rees seemed to calm the team down and got them moving. Now Rees has his own limitations but he was the perfect prescription for what ailed us.

All the threads I have been "Bitching" in are this one and "Post Game Observations." Anyways, I'm not going to repeat myself. Golson needed more time.

 

[DCirishfan]

You have been bitching in every thread, not just this one. Stating how Golson would still have won the game for us. Maybe, maybe not but what we do know is that Golson played horrible and looked lost. He was rather inaccurate, was making poor reads, and throwing stupid passes. Rees seemed to calm the team down and got them moving. Now Rees has his own limitations but he was the perfect prescription for what ailed us.

Now you're bitching about his bitching, kind of zen huh?

 

[BobD]

I hope we keep doing what we've been doing. Sure, I'd rather have one all-star QB (I'd like to have a billion dollars too), but we have to play the cards we've been dealt. Tommy and Everett are great kids who, if we could combine them, would make one hell of a QB, but since we can't, we have to use both.

I like starting Everett with his physical abilities and having Tommy available if things start to go south.

I think Everett will continue to grow into the role and Tommy plays better with the current "what the hell do I have to lose" attitude.

GO IRISH! BEAT BYU!!

 

[Dizzyphil]

I hope we keep doing what we've been doing. Sure, I'd rather have one all-star QB (I'd like to have a billion dollars too), but we have to play the cards we've been dealt. Tommy and Everett are great kids who, if we could combine them, would make one hell of a QB, but since we can't, we have to use both.

I like starting Everett with his physical abilities and having Tommy available if things start to go south.

I think Everett will continue to grow into the role and Tommy plays better with the current "what the hell do I have to lose" attitude.

GO IRISH! BEAT BYU!!

And..... Golson was obviously hurt. If the helmet-to-helmet hit does not happen and Golson stays in..... we have different story to tell than that of Rees coming in again to take the Irish to victory Saturday. Kelly is doing what it takes to win games - period.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!

Diz

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I have to agree with pkt, in that Rees was exactly what we needed at that time.

Golson bounced back and had a few nice drives and that promotes the fact that he IS progressing.

But, Tommy came in, immediately read single coverage on Eifert and hit a quick slant to TJ.. two huge, heady plays. Two plays that Golson did not prove he would have made if still in the game.

His gameplay up to that point "suggested" that he would have delayed on the quick slant to TJ and/or missed the single coverage on Eifert. Now, he may have made other plays, we can never tell but Rees made the right plays at the right time.. Golson will start against BYU and continue to progress.

Cogs.. Holtz's quote is "If you have two QBs, you really have none."

 

[Rhode Irish]

In general I don't like the idea, but I like to evaluate things in a fact-specific, case-by-case way. In this specific instance, I think the way we are using both guys is the fine. I'd like to see Golson get most of the snaps but Tommy has probably earned more time with his play. He seems perfectly suited for his current role, at least temperamentally. I'd ride this current situation until it backfires.

 

[RDU Irish]

In general I don't like the idea, but I like to evaluate things in a fact-specific, case-by-case way. In this specific instance, I think the way we are using both guys is the fine. I'd like to see Golson get most of the snaps but Tommy has probably earned more time with his play. He seems perfectly suited for his current role, at least temperamentally. I'd ride this current situation until it backfires.

This

 

[kmoose]

Lou always says if you have 2 QB's, you really don't have any.

This is one of those idioms that has completely lost it's context, as people have misused it over the years. The sentiment is that, if you cannot pick a starting QB, then you probably don't have a QB that is worthy of starting. Golson is the starter; there's no dispute there. Golson has his limitations, though. Some defenses are going to be able to take advantage of those limitations. When they do, in comes Rees, whose strengths are Golson's weaknesses. They really do complement each other in a rather unique way that makes them sort of the exception, rather than the rule.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Golson has grown every game, hasn't he? I like what BK said after the Stanford game: that before, Golson would have been pulled because of his confidence issues. Against Stanford, he was down on himself and brought us down the field.

I can't stand Jesse Palmer's comment last night during BCS rankings show, where he said we will lose if we continue to start Everett. Although I do agree we are on outside looking in.

 

[Veer option]

Im good with Golson. His pocket presence will improve as he gets more experience. It is not like Golson is the first QB in history to take off at the slightest hint of pressure.