'19 OH DT Jowon Briggs (Virginia Verbal)
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Though I agree that it could be really good even better top to bottom than 18'. The 2018 class is going to be the foundation. Phil J, Kevin Austin, Simon, Jayson A, Derrik Allen, Lamb, etc. are the future of Irish football. I don't see those guys getting beaten out by players coming in behind.
The way I think of it is, the combination of the two classes will be what ends up being special. That could set us up for a multi year run at the playoffs.
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Last year's class has some foundation players too. Especially on D in the front 7.
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Somewhat agree
Can't whiff on the oline this year.
Graduations and transfers have impacted Oline depth significantly
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Absolutely, and that's why I usually take a two year look at everything. Combine last years TE/OL/RB with this years WR/QB/RB haul and you have the makings of something special. Also, there are some guys in that class that I was a lot higher on that most, like MTA. I think that class had some real underappreciated talent.
However, and this is just my opinion, as underrated as the 17' class might turn out to be, I think the 18' class will be as well, and they are rated higher to start. I think that the players I named in my previous post are all true difference makers in time. Plus, we're not done yet with this class. If we can land some quality DB's and OL, it will be more balanced as well.
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What's whiffing? They have two in the class, have 11 total on the roster for next year and that's figuring in Jimmy Bryne not using his Grad year.
They are going to have 8-9 starting, P5 level OL's on next year's squad.
They'll add another OG this class and then rake in '19 like they did in '17. Watch out for Luke Jones from Arkansas. I know HH wouldn't have drug that kid up here for sh!ts & giggles. He must really like him.
and as always... Finn Dirstine and Emil Ekiyor are checking their DM's daily.
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I don't think the staff is out of it for NPF yet. He's an HH future first round special.
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I don't think they're out of it either. I'm just playing the odds and making a prediction/accepting the probable/planning around it.
Would love NPF but long term, it's not a fatal miss w/ Eichenberg, Kraemer, Hainsey and Lugg having so much eligibility to bridge until 2019's RKG's are sophs.
Last year they added Hainsey, Banks, Lugg and lost Hoge and Boudreaux
This year they lose McGlinchey, Nelson, possibly Mustipher and add Mabry and Dirksen (obviously not done)....
They aren't exactly trending in the right direction....I would argue (and correctly) they are trending downward.
Losing a MCG and Nelson and replacing them with Mabry and Dirksen is not exactly comforting.
This is in no way to disparage Kraemer, Eichenberg, Hainsay, Banks and Lugg...or remaining Olinemen.....But I see a Natural drop off from the 2017 vintage Oline to the 2018 model. Losing two potential top 10 NFL picks will do that....and Mustipher will probably grade out as a first or second day pick.
I think the oline is getting a wee bit overlooked....especially in light with wjht is currentky coming in.
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Counterpoint:
They added Gibbons last year also.
IF they lost Mustipher, their #2 OC - Ruhland returns. You are the only one afraid Mustipher leaves btw.
You don't replace Q and McG with the freshman, you shuffle/replace them with Eichenberg, Kraemer Lugg, Haisnsey & Banks... the next guys in... not kids who will redshirt. Q and McG got replaced in '16 & '17. that's how recruiting is supposed to work.
Who's over looking the O line? HH? or we worrisome fans? They had Luke Jones, Murray and NPF in town for USC. HH is doing his part.
Maybe a mod can dump all of this in NPF's thread?
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I hope we get 4 DTs on board and then hire a DC who runs a 3-4. It'd be so fitting to have them all decommit.
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With Lea as the "possible" DC, he'll run 7 linebackers.
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(Copy/paste/edit from Rodas J's thread)
Briggs gets another ND CB (5-1 total and the only OSU CB was over a year ago by Lind/OSU... Gleitman/OSU came in a month ago for ND).
Could he end up in South Bend with Lacey and the 4 other 2019 DT's ND leads for?... and that doesn't count Joseph Anderson who I'll leave at SDE.
Briggs gets another ND CB (5-1 total and the only OSU CB was over a year ago by Lind/OSU... Gleitman/OSU came in a month ago for ND).
Could he end up in South Bend with Lacey and the 4 other 2019 DT's ND leads for?... and that doesn't count Joseph Anderson who I'll leave at SDE.
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Damn this is great. Give me all the DT's that want to come. A dominant D-line = Championship caliber team.
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The staff is clearly aware, per Elstons comments, that this 19’ DL class has a lot of ND interest in it. They are prepared to add quite a few in this class, Elstons number was 7.
If it were me, and all parties were cool with a 4 DT class (8 DL overall), I’d do so. DL recruiting can be spotty, so take them while you can. With that said, I’m a little skeptical that’s possible.
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We could definitely help the cause this season by continuing to develop a D-line rotation and getting Jayson Ademilola or Ja’Mion Franklin some serious run. If we have young guys rotating in early and often, it’ll be that much easier to sell a 3- or 4- man DT class.
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we'll need to employ a three man rotation at both insides spots if we're getting the young guns in. Tillery, Bonner, MTA, Hinish, Ewell (who I'm assuming will earn minutes) and Jay Ade and Franklin.
I could still see Ade earning PT, possibly as an SDE as well.
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I see a rotation of Tillery, Bonner, MTA and Hinish with Jay Ademilola pushing Hinish for minutes and MDT seeing some spot duty. Not sure if we can expect anything out of Ewell next season, the reports on him have been almost unanimously negative.
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We’ve proven for several years that we’ll play DL early. Sometimes too early, lol.
Hinish is at 1T and Jay Ade will be at 3T. So Jay will more than likely be battling MTA for backup 3T snaps.
Hinish is at 1T and Jay Ade will be at 3T. So Jay will more than likely be battling MTA for backup 3T snaps.
SDE Joseph Anderson
SDE Hunter Spears
DT Jowon Briggs
DT Mazi Smith
DT Rodas Johnson
DT Jacob Lacey
WDE Nana Osafo-Mensah
WDE Brandon Smith
Let’s just say this did happen (for the record, it won’t) and ND accepted all the top talent who wanted in. I’d say hell yeah let them all come in. I know Spears is a DT and should be counted as such but for this exercise he’ll be SDE #2 instead of DT #5. This could theoretically work cause then Elston recruits the crap out of them for the next 10 months and I guarantee at least 1-2 decommit and head somewhere else and you end up with the best 6 man DLine class in ND history. So it could work but I think it’s a near impossibility that this happens. Amazing 2019 DL recruiting tho. Need to get 2 commits before we can be talking about 7-8 commits.
SDE Hunter Spears
DT Jowon Briggs
DT Mazi Smith
DT Rodas Johnson
DT Jacob Lacey
WDE Nana Osafo-Mensah
WDE Brandon Smith
Let’s just say this did happen (for the record, it won’t) and ND accepted all the top talent who wanted in. I’d say hell yeah let them all come in. I know Spears is a DT and should be counted as such but for this exercise he’ll be SDE #2 instead of DT #5. This could theoretically work cause then Elston recruits the crap out of them for the next 10 months and I guarantee at least 1-2 decommit and head somewhere else and you end up with the best 6 man DLine class in ND history. So it could work but I think it’s a near impossibility that this happens. Amazing 2019 DL recruiting tho. Need to get 2 commits before we can be talking about 7-8 commits.
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another crystal ball for us today
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Not just another CB but on from 11W's Andrew Lind. Getting all the OSU CB's on this one.
This comes on the heels of Loy saying he thinks Briggs is already one of the odd men out in the DT haul for '19.
Too bad ND doesn't build a Prep school so it can stash guys like this for a year like Navy does in Rhode Island. The Sorin Prep Rock's, it has a ring.
You don't "stash" top 100 players with offers from Bama, OSU, and Michigan. I think Loy is off his rocker if he thinks Briggs is gonna get left out.
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I agree if Briggs wants in you take him and worry about numbers later.
Irish Illustrated podcast and Mike Elston in his presser alluded to the fact that they are going to take 7 DLineman (that was said, not alluded to) and they were not going to turn away all the top guys they are in it with. So I would be extremely disappointed if they all of the sudden decided to change that and not take a top 100 player and top 5 DT
.9668 DT Jowon Briggs
.9484 DT Mazi Smith
.9384 DT Jacob Lacey
.9315 DE Joseph Anderson
.9261 DT Rodas Johnson
.9145 DT Hunter Spears
Take all 6 and find one of the 5 DT's to be a SDE with Joseph Anderson and then spend the rest of the year going after WDE's. I also think that of those 6 above, one of them could be blown away on a visit to a different school and we could quickly go from the drivers seat to second fiddle. So take, take, take, and take some more.
.9668 DT Jowon Briggs
.9484 DT Mazi Smith
.9384 DT Jacob Lacey
.9315 DE Joseph Anderson
.9261 DT Rodas Johnson
.9145 DT Hunter Spears
Take all 6 and find one of the 5 DT's to be a SDE with Joseph Anderson and then spend the rest of the year going after WDE's. I also think that of those 6 above, one of them could be blown away on a visit to a different school and we could quickly go from the drivers seat to second fiddle. So take, take, take, and take some more.