'19 IN LB Jack Kiser (Notre Dame Man)

[snoopdog]

Baker Mayfield 6'0 got 33 million guaranteed
Kiser has rushed for 5000 w 90 tds completed 66% for 3000 45 tds with 5ints
Wouldn't a Miami of Ohio or a Ball state someone lower tier look at offense?

Well obviously not.

BTW...Baker Mayfield was an outstanding High School QB in a much higher level of play, passed for 6255 yds as a Junior and Senior, with 67 passing td's, only 8 int's in 666 passing attempts with a .644 completion %, AND still had to walk on Texas Tech

So Baker Mayfield is not a good example for your position.

But to your point about QB, one place where Jack could probably excel is Navy

 

[OhioIrish31]

Just watched his film. Had to laugh at that poor blue & white team that he played against...average weight 155 lbs. The poor competition isn't his fault. It's obvious he is an exceptional athlete...I hope he (and his body) can adjust to the college game over time. Welcome aboard Jack!

 

[Calabrese's People]

I get it and I’m not completely sold on his upside either. But the difference between is some of the other misses at LB have been because of athleticism. Kiser at least has that. So if this ends up being a miss, I don’t think the miss will be, never heard from again. It will be ST’s stalwart and functional depth.

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[Mavericknyc1980]

Kid should develop his play.

 

[stlnd01]

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Honestly if we carry one linebacker on our roster who all he does is special teams and blowing up Navy's running game for three or four years, I'm fine with that.

 

[Luckylucci]

Certainly seems to be in the mold of defenders that do well against Navy. Big S/small LB’s that are good athletes.

 

[IrishLax]

I just want to say that if his track times are FAT then he currently runs around a 4.6-4.8 at 6'2" 210+ pounds which gives him incredible upside. The track time you want to focus on is his 55M.

This is the polar opposite of a player like Drew White when talking about "why" a player may not contribute... for Prister to say Drew White is "faster" is literally the dumbest fucking take I have EVER read from a so-called analyst on one of these sites. Literally ever, that is categorically worse than any dumb take I've read from Driskell or anyone else. It's absurdly ignorant, Drew White is not half the overall athlete Kiser is.

If he can pack on pounds to his frame and keep his overall athleticism... like Sam Hubbard did at Ohio State moving all over the field before settling at DE... then you're talking about potentially having a 6'2"+ 240+ guy in the middle running sideline-to-sideline at 4.7ish speed... maybe faster. That's basically Kuechly's athletic profile, and I'm not exaggerating. Kuechly is 6'3" 245 and ran a 4.6 at the combine.

The concern should come from the fact that he plays bad competition and doesn't have a lot of film playing a true LB spot diagnosing plays, etc. so there is no telling whether he's a "natural" LB with great instincts and such. But anyone questioning whether he has the athletic profile to play DI football is an idiot... that's the one thing he clearly does have.

 

[BobbyMac]

Is a 6-2.5/213 LB just out of 11th grade small?

 

[Luckylucci]

Is a 6-2.5/213 LB just out of 11th grade small?

Fair, but I’d bet it takes him awhile to get to 230+. Drue T is just now over 230 at 233. Onwualu played at 231 at the end of his career. I’d bet that’s the short term projection for Kiser. So he’s a big S now and a small LB in short term projection.

 

[Rack Em]

I just want to say that if his track times are FAT then he currently runs around a 4.6-4.8 at 6'2" 210+ pounds which gives him incredible upside. The track time you want to focus on is his 55M.

This is the polar opposite of a player like Drew White when talking about "why" a player may not contribute... for Prister to say Drew White is "faster" is literally the dumbest fucking take I have EVER read from a so-called analyst on one of these sites. Literally ever, that is categorically worse than any dumb take I've read from Driskell or anyone else. It's absurdly ignorant, Drew White is not half the overall athlete Kiser is.

If he can pack on pounds to his frame and keep his overall athleticism... like Sam Hubbard did at Ohio State moving all over the field before settling at DE... then you're talking about potentially having a 6'2"+ 240+ guy in the middle running sideline-to-sideline at 4.7ish speed... maybe faster. That's basically Kuechly's athletic profile, and I'm not exaggerating. Kuechly is 6'3" 245 and ran a 4.6 at the combine.

The concern should come from the fact that he plays bad competition and doesn't have a lot of film playing a true LB spot diagnosing plays, etc. so there is no telling whether he's a "natural" LB with great instincts and such. But anyone questioning whether he has the athletic profile to play DI football is an idiot... that's the one thing he clearly does have.

His floor sounds like Steve Filer - dude could jump out of a freaking pool and land flat-footed. Filer never contributed anything outside of special teams, but there are worse things in the world than a 3 year ST specialist.

 

[koonja]

I just want to say that if his track times are FAT then he currently runs around a 4.6-4.8 at 6'2" 210+ pounds which gives him incredible upside. The track time you want to focus on is his 55M.

This is the polar opposite of a player like Drew White when talking about "why" a player may not contribute... for Prister to say Drew White is "faster" is literally the dumbest fucking take I have EVER read from a so-called analyst on one of these sites. Literally ever, that is categorically worse than any dumb take I've read from Driskell or anyone else. It's absurdly ignorant, Drew White is not half the overall athlete Kiser is.

If he can pack on pounds to his frame and keep his overall athleticism... like Sam Hubbard did at Ohio State moving all over the field before settling at DE... then you're talking about potentially having a 6'2"+ 240+ guy in the middle running sideline-to-sideline at 4.7ish speed... maybe faster. That's basically Kuechly's athletic profile, and I'm not exaggerating. Kuechly is 6'3" 245 and ran a 4.6 at the combine.

The concern should come from the fact that he plays bad competition and doesn't have a lot of film playing a true LB spot diagnosing plays, etc. so there is no telling whether he's a "natural" LB with great instincts and such. But anyone questioning whether he has the athletic profile to play DI football is an idiot... that's the one thing he clearly does have.

For the record, I don't care about his competition, I trust his athleticism, and all of that. But I seriously question his 6'2" listed height. He doesn't look "tall" compared to everyone in his film, and at that level of competition (I know, I played it), you have a lot of 5'10" guys out there playing football. Sam Hubbard is a legit 6'4" with long arms - that makes a huge difference. People will say "what's 2", who cares", and there are a LOT of guys that would be 5-star players if they had 2 more inches of height. And like I said, I question he's actually 6'2".

I'm not saying he's 5'10", but I don't think he's 6'2".

Anyway, I was a track guy (indoor and outdoor), and agree the 55m is something we should care more about. What's his 55m time? Anything below 7 seconds for a LB is really good.

 

[Luckylucci]

Here he is running it, not sure what the time was.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double it up! Another indoor PR tonight for <a href="https://twitter.com/JBKiser4?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JBKiser4</a> this time in the 55m <a href="https://t.co/gNmmIIqPMp">pic.twitter.com/gNmmIIqPMp</a></p>— Aaron Kiser (@Takkle4) <a href="https://twitter.com/Takkle4/status/971926120433180672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[koonja]

Here he is running it, not sure what the time was.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double it up! Another indoor PR tonight for <a href="https://twitter.com/JBKiser4?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JBKiser4</a> this time in the 55m <a href="https://t.co/gNmmIIqPMp">pic.twitter.com/gNmmIIqPMp</a></p>— Aaron Kiser (@Takkle4) <a href="https://twitter.com/Takkle4/status/971926120433180672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Thanks. Not sure what the time was, but it looked like he was cookin'.

 

[D-BOE34]

Using my stopwatch I have him clocked at a 6.1*

You're welcome

Edit*

 

[fightingirish26]

For the record, I don't care about his competition, I trust his athleticism, and all of that. But I seriously question his 6'2" listed height. He doesn't look "tall" compared to everyone in his film, and at that level of competition (I know, I played it), you have a lot of 5'10" guys out there playing football. Sam Hubbard is a legit 6'4" with long arms - that makes a huge difference. People will say "what's 2", who cares", and there are a LOT of guys that would be 5-star players if they had 2 more inches of height. And like I said, I question he's actually 6'2".

I'm not saying he's 5'10", but I don't think he's 6'2".

Anyway, I was a track guy (indoor and outdoor), and agree the 55m is something we should care more about. What's his 55m time? Anything below 7 seconds for a LB is really good.

So you asked Edge how tall he was, then completely ignored his answer?

 

[BeauBenken]

For the record, I don't care about his competition, I trust his athleticism, and all of that. But I seriously question his 6'2" listed height. He doesn't look "tall" compared to everyone in his film, and at that level of competition (I know, I played it), you have a lot of 5'10" guys out there playing football. Sam Hubbard is a legit 6'4" with long arms - that makes a huge difference. People will say "what's 2", who cares", and there are a LOT of guys that would be 5-star players if they had 2 more inches of height. And like I said, I question he's actually 6'2".

I'm not saying he's 5'10", but I don't think he's 6'2".

Anyway, I was a track guy (indoor and outdoor), and agree the 55m is something we should care more about. What's his 55m time? Anything below 7 seconds for a LB is really good.

He is all of 6'2".

 

[IrishLax]

For the record, I don't care about his competition, I trust his athleticism, and all of that. But I seriously question his 6'2" listed height. He doesn't look "tall" compared to everyone in his film, and at that level of competition (I know, I played it), you have a lot of 5'10" guys out there playing football. Sam Hubbard is a legit 6'4" with long arms - that makes a huge difference. People will say "what's 2", who cares", and there are a LOT of guys that would be 5-star players if they had 2 more inches of height. And like I said, I question he's actually 6'2".

I'm not saying he's 5'10", but I don't think he's 6'2".

Anyway, I was a track guy (indoor and outdoor), and agree the 55m is something we should care more about. What's his 55m time? Anything below 7 seconds for a LB is really good.

6.8, but not sure if it's a FAT time.

You know this obviously, but for the rest of the board who maybe didn't run indoor track... a 7.0 is basically "pretty fast" for a normal human an usually translates to something like a 4.8ish 40 for most people. A 6.6 is basically "NFL skill position player fast" and usually translates to something around a 4.5ish 40.

A 6.8 -- which is what he reportedly ran -- is somewhere in between those... usually the 4.6-4.7 range. There isn't a straight conversion that is perfect, because you have an extra chunk at the end that is at "top speed" relative to a 40... people who are winning at the 20 yard mark or 40 yard mark obviously aren't always the ones still ahead when you get to the finish line... it's possible for someone to run a faster 40 than someone but a slower 55M.

But the general approximation is mostly accurate, and the worst case scenario for his speed seems like a 4.8 40... more likely than not, it's currently in the 4.6-4.7 range.

 

[IrishLion]

So you asked Edge how tall he was, then completely ignored his answer?

The strange life of Koonja

 

[ulukinatme]

Using my stopwatch I have him clocked at a 5.68

You're welcome

No way It's closer to 6.50ish I think. Keep in mind that's a 55m run.
[EDIT] Okay, not 6.50 based on what LAX said, but that was my best attempt from the video ha.

 

[koonja]

To quote Ball State's coach when he visited him, "damn, a recruit who's actual size matches his profile, we never see that...kids who list 6'2 205 are almost always 6'0 190"
He is 6'2 pushing 6'3 and 214 right now

Prob 6'2 1/2-6'3 225-230 when he arrives officially in South Bend

Honestly been a little shocked nobody has recruited him as offensive player

The strange life of Koonja

I didn't see it (aka I Didn't like the answer). But really I didn't.

Thanks and reps, EDGE.

 

[ab2cmiller]

He ran a 6.87 in the 55 meters.

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[koonja]

If he's a legit 6'2" and runs a 6.87, and has smarts and work ethic, we got a "Troy Pride" level steal.

IIRC, he was also a 3-star until the last month or so, when he rocketed up to a .95 rating.

 

[D-BOE34]

No way It's closer to 6.50ish I think. Keep in mind that's a 55m run.
[EDIT] Okay, not 6.50 based on what LAX said, but that was my best attempt from the video ha.

Yeah no way I can watch a video and get accurate timing lol. Maybe I should have used italics...

 

[irish4ever]

Better throwing motion than Zaire. No italics.

Hell, a penguin has a better throwing motion that Zaire!

 

[NDdomer2]

Fair, but I’d bet it takes him awhile to get to 230+. Drue T is just now over 230 at 233. Onwualu played at 231 at the end of his career. I’d bet that’s the short term projection for Kiser. So he’s a big S now and a small LB in short term projection.

wasn't drue only 195 coming into his freshman camp though? putting on 40 lbs and 15lbs is a significant difference.

 

[ab2cmiller]

wasn't drue only 195 coming into his freshman camp though? putting on 40 lbs and 15lbs is a significant difference.

No

 

[dublinirish]

wasn't drue only 195 coming into his freshman camp though? putting on 40 lbs and 15lbs is a significant difference.

he was 205 as a senior in HS

 

[ab2cmiller]

By the end of his senior season he was at 214.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Already back up to 214 lb!</p>— Drue Tranquill (@DTranquill) <a href="https://twitter.com/DTranquill/status/401064731126943746?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Luckylucci]

^This. I'd think that it would be ideal for Jack to add 3-5 lbs./year of very lean muscle mass, to get to the desired low 230's. So, that takes 3-4 years.

 

[ab2cmiller]

^This. I'd think that it would be ideal for Jack to add 3-5 lbs./year of very lean muscle mass, to get to the desired low 230's. So, that takes 3-4 years.

Drue was up to 225ish for his Freshman Season and I think the weight gain was lean muscle mass. Obviously not everyone can put on that kind of lean muscle mass in 6-8 months like Drue.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">227lb & faster than ever������</p>— Drue Tranquill (@DTranquill) <a href="https://twitter.com/DTranquill/status/459060318820245505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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