'18 PA QB Phil Jurkovec (Wherever I May Roam Chud)

[Irish YJ]

Doctor Ian Book?

That has a wonderful ring to it.

I was rooting for him too, but he really came off poorly. I feel pretty confident that the coaches wanted him to win the job with his size and tools. Too bad he turned into a tool.

I think most all of us wanted him to be the next messiah. I certainly did. Just didn't play out that way.

OK. I thought I saw all of it and didn't think it was a big deal but if he said that stuff this week, yeah bad look. The interview I saw I thought he went out of his way to be complimentary to his former teammates, ND and his ND experience. Anyway, with that said, whatever, who cares it's BC.

They hyped it up during the game. Who know what is true, or just hype.

Tbf it sounded to me like it was the other BC players that went public with the bad blood in speaking with the game crew about it. I think Phil was probably open about it to his teammates, which is fine.

Sounded to me like they referenced him personally, and then his team mates when they commented on practicing angry. You may be right though. I still have it on the DVR. If I have time tomorrow, I'll go back and try to find it.

 

[irishtrain]

The debate is settled. Now everyone can move on.

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[Old Man Mike]

Jurkovec looks to me quite a bit like the Jurkovec that I watched on film in high school. Powerful superjock capable of dominating any ordinary HS situation --- essentially a force of nature at that level. He still IS a force of nature in many ways on the collegiate level, but the big boys he's playing against turn at least half of his out of the box into messes.

If you could just select out individual plays, there are some excellent individual successes there. You'd be ignoring a bunch of pretty bad (and to ND wholly unacceptable) bad decisions and bad execution in there. The guy's a somewhat wild untamed jock who is high risk high maintenance from a OC point of view. The difference between the look/feel of an unsuccessful Book play and an unsuccessful Jurkovec play was stunning --- control vs chaos.

Guy does make some plays. If he was NDs QB playing like that the IE howling for his scalp would be heard in Mongolia.

 

[ThePiombino]

Anyone wanna start taking bets on which MAC school PJ plays at after grad transferring out of BC because Hafley* hurt his feewings?

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[AKRowdy]

Granted idk PJ at all, but on the broadcast they said he kept screenshots of conversations with past teammates for motivation. To me that just screams horrible teammate and friend. Why do your friends dirty like that? Also if you do do that, why mention it to the national broadcast crew.

Something else that grinds my gears is how could he be upset about not getting a shot, when he was playing behind Book who had only 3 loses in 2 years. Book playing poorly wasn’t even in the same category as Wimbush bad. Like what was he thinking? Seems too high maintenance for my liking.

 

[Irish YJ]

Anyone wanna start taking bets on which MAC school PJ plays at after grad transferring out of BC because Haley hurt his feewings?

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I think he'll be there the next time we play BC (2022 IIRC).

I still think he'll improve. Not sure if he'll be more mature though lol.

 

[irish4ever]

18 of 40 with many ducks, turf skips, and missed INTs
vs
20 of 27 smoothness

Of his 18 completions, 2 or 3 were "hope and a prayer" receptions, like the one TD in the back of the end zone. How that got completed, I still haven't figured that out!?

 

[Irishize]

So Hafley conveniently says PJ had a separated shoulder from the Clemson game but no mention of it in the ‘Cuse game or leading up to ND.

I assume it’s his throwing shoulder but he didn’t clarify. He also didn’t discuss the severity b/c my question is “WTH are you playing your QB w/ a separated shoulder?”

Then Hafley goes on to wax poetic how he wouldn’t want any other QB than PJ. To me, he knows what this game meant for PJ and that ND had something to prove as well so he’s sticking up for his guy. Let it go dude. Take the L & keep developing your team from what looks like a solid foundation.

 

[NorthDakota]

Of his 18 completions, 2 or 3 were "hope and a prayer" receptions, like the one TD in the back of the end zone. How that got completed, I still haven't figured that out!?

To be fair, if you put the ball up there and your guy catches it, good for you.

Not a fan of people dogging on QBs for putting the ball in a place where they are asking the receiver to make a play. That's part of football.

He puts a lot of balls in the dirt too. There is some good to his game and there is bad.

 

[Irish YJ]

Of his 18 completions, 2 or 3 were "hope and a prayer" receptions, like the one TD in the back of the end zone. How that got completed, I still haven't figured that out!?

Yep. A few were really bad. A few huge bailouts by WRs. Not sure how much the shoulder issue played, because of seen him do it before..

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

To be fair, if you put the ball up there and your guy catches it, good for you.



Not a fan of people dogging on QBs for putting the ball in a place where they are asking the receiver to make a play. That's part of football.



He puts a lot of balls in the dirt too. There is some good to his game and there is bad.

I (think) I know what you're saying... 50/50 balls are needed at times..

But that prayer to Flowers for the TD in the back of the end zone was a very very dumb decision. That's a 1/100, not 50/50.

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[Old Man Mike]

Agreed. That was just wildass flinging it in the face of pressure. The direction of the ball was so off that the receiver stopped and the thing floated enough that he could take two steps backwards in his route to get it --- that's not "back shoulder" throwing. Jurkovec made some good plays but that wasn't one of them. Sometimes a pig finds a hole in the fence.

 

[Irish YJ]

I (think) I know what you're saying... 50/50 balls are needed at times..

But that prayer to Flowers for the TD in the back of the end zone was a very very dumb decision. That's a 1/100, not 50/50.

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There are good 50/50 balls, and very bad 50/50 balls. Book was throwing some very good ones, PJ was throwing some bad ones. Some bad ones get lucky. Some get INT'd. We should have had several INTs.

 

[IrishLax]

There are good 50/50 balls, and very bad 50/50 balls. Book was throwing some very good ones, PJ was throwing some bad ones. Some bad ones get lucky. Some get INT'd. We should have had several INTs.

Yeah, there was a terrible one wiped out on a completely phantom facemask call. Then two literally dropped INTs. That's 4. For all intents and purposes, he threw 4 INTs... and that's not even considering questionable throws that "could have" been picked.

More importantly, to me, was watching Book continue to build off his Clemson performance and turn in a 97.6 QBR performance while accounting for 4 TDs and 370 total yards. He was decisive and aggressive all day without making mistakes. As you said... threw "good" 50/50 balls that gave his WRs the ability to make plays where earlier in the season he simply was not throwing the ball in those situations.

 

[rikkitikki08]

The whole thing about him taking screenshots on his phone of conversations he’s had was incredibly weird, I get motivating yourself but that just seems strange to bring it up

 

[ulukinatme]

Of his 18 completions, 2 or 3 were "hope and a prayer" receptions, like the one TD in the back of the end zone. How that got completed, I still haven't figured that out!?

I would say it was even more than 2 or 3, but more than that there were a lot of other throws that were just ugly and receivers either bailed him or they didn't. One of his early throws in the dirt his receiver was wide open, but Phil threw it near his feet. The receiver had to bend down to scoop it up and it looked like he messed up his knee or leg in the process, he was limping after the play and at least for some time after. That was not just one pass though, there were a lot of wild throws that receivers were stretching for or they had to adjust, as oppose to allowing them to catch it in stride and get YAC.

 

[irishandy]

After watching Phil yesterday he starts out hot and can't finish. He started hot against Clemson and couldn't finish. Overall I think he played a decent game. I think for him it was definitely the right move to transfer to BC, I think if Book didn't become the QB he is today Phil would still be at ND. Good luck to him down the road.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah, there was a terrible one wiped out on a completely phantom facemask call. Then two literally dropped INTs. That's 4. For all intents and purposes, he threw 4 INTs... and that's not even considering questionable throws that "could have" been picked.

More importantly, to me, was watching Book continue to build off his Clemson performance and turn in a 97.6 QBR performance while accounting for 4 TDs and 370 total yards. He was decisive and aggressive all day without making mistakes. As you said... threw "good" 50/50 balls that gave his WRs the ability to make plays where earlier in the season he simply was not throwing the ball in those situations.

I truly hope this is just not a momentary peak for Book and his confidence, and the O as a whole. Whatever the reason is, Book clicking, WRs coming on, chemistry coming on, Reesus game plan coming on, I just hope we're able to replicate consistently.

I don't think I've felt this good about 2 games in many years in terms of the all around performance of the O. The passing game certainly is igniting those feelings, but the run game with our 3 headed monster is turning out to be pretty incredible too.

 

[Irish YJ]

The whole thing about him taking screenshots on his phone of conversations he’s had was incredibly weird, I get motivating yourself but that just seems strange to bring it up

Where'd you see/hear that?

 

[GATTACA!]

Circle got smaller

 

[ThePiombino]

Where'd you see/hear that?

They mentioned it on the broadcast.

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[Irish YJ]

They mentioned it on the broadcast.

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didn't catch the screenshot thingy. thanks.

 

[NDdomer2]

Lol the troll sends me a negative rep today for "attacking him" come be a man and eat your crow.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

I find it telling that those who seem to have an odd animosity towards Phil are the ones keeping this thread current. He hasn't done anything to any of you other than, heaven forbid, speak his mind and be upfront with why he left the program. I find his honesty refreshing. I am sick of hearing people in similar situations say the "right things" instead of what they truly feel. I respect him for being honest.

Then it is the idiotic attempt to compare his play with Book's play. As a rule, comparing individual players in a team sport is pointless...especially in football. There are too many variables (experience, personnel, coaching, scheme). If Phil played with a veteran OLine, solid running game, and more than one receiver to throw to, do you think his numbers would be better. Possibly. Would Book have played as well with BC's OLine, no running game, and BC's receivers...facing our talented defense? Possibly...not. My point is give up the comparisons because it is unfair and only seems reasonable to morons.

I think Phil has the tools to be a very good QB. He is a project. Foot work, reading defenses, decision making are things he needs to improve upon. BC will give him that opportunity. Hope he takes advantage of it.

 

[Irishman77]

Lol the troll sends me a negative rep today for "attacking him" come be a man and eat your crow.

I think Phi’s is awesome. Sorry you disagree. No need to be mean. Hope you have a good day. Go Irish!

 

[Irish YJ]

I find it telling that those who seem to have an odd animosity towards Phil are the ones keeping this thread current. He hasn't done anything to any of you other than, heaven forbid, speak his mind and be upfront with why he left the program. I find his honesty refreshing. I am sick of hearing people in similar situations say the "right things" instead of what they truly feel. I respect him for being honest.

Then it is the idiotic attempt to compare his play with Book's play. As a rule, comparing individual players in a team sport is pointless...especially in football. There are too many variables (experience, personnel, coaching, scheme). If Phil played with a veteran OLine, solid running game, and more than one receiver to throw to, do you think his numbers would be better. Possibly. Would Book have played as well with BC's OLine, no running game, and BC's receivers...facing our talented defense? Possibly...not. My point is give up the comparisons because it is unfair and only seems reasonable to morons.

I think Phil has the tools to be a very good QB. He is a project. Foot work, reading defenses, decision making are things he needs to improve upon. BC will give him that opportunity. Hope he takes advantage of it.

On the being honest thing. There's being honest, and there's coming off like a woman scorned. I like honesty too. I don't like the whole victim narrative.

I too think he will get better in time. How much, IDK. That said, comparing is not a fools errand. Sure there is a surrounding talent differential. You can however still look at quality and decision making, and grade vs teams with like or worse talent.

I've watched him a lot this year. We've seen Phil toss ducks and skip balls all year, even vs team with worse talent than BC. TX State game was bad, and BC has far better talent. VT, who's comparable, was also bad.

Lol the troll sends me a negative rep today for "attacking him" come be a man and eat your crow.

rep to offset.

 

[Irishnuke]

I don’t know who is whinier, PJ or the grown men in these comments. You guys expect PJ to move on but here you are whining like little bitches. Yikes.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

On the being honest thing. There's being honest, and there's coming off like a woman scorned. I like honesty too. I don't like the whole victim narrative.

I too think he will get better in time. How much, IDK. That said, comparing is not a fools errand. Sure there is a surrounding talent differential. You can however still look at quality and decision making, and grade vs teams with like or worse talent.

I've watched him a lot this year. We've seen Phil toss ducks and skip balls all year, even vs team with worse talent than BC. TX State game was bad, and BC has far better talent. VT, who's comparable, was also bad.

rep to offset.

Completely disagree regarding comparing. Here is an example, Duke. We played Duke and BC played Duke. Phil's numbers were better than Book's numbers. Does that mean that Phil is better? Again, comparing is meaningless.

 

[Irish YJ]

Completely disagree regarding comparing. Here is an example, Duke. We played Duke and BC played Duke. Phil's numbers were better than Book's numbers. Does that mean that Phil is better? Again, comparing is meaningless.

Sorry man. Comparing is normal.

If you want to use ND's first game of the year, fine. The stats were not substantially different even though ND's pass catchers were banged up going into the game, and are totally different today vs then. In that game, neither Javon nor Skow caught a ball. The game plan was also vanilla as can be. So many play calls of screens and short dinks my head hurt. Meanwhile, BC's coach had them slinging.

If you don't see an overall issue with the ducks and skips from PJ, that's fine. It's just like Book's lack of downfield vision and struggles through progressions earlier this year. All are real things.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I think Phi’s is awesome. Sorry you disagree. No need to be mean. Hope you have a good day. Go Irish!

You would honestly want what we saw yesterday as our QB? Less than 50% completion, 1 pick, 1 pick taken away on a laughable call away from the play, and another pick six right in the breadbasket dropped. Bounce passes to his WR all day, throwing ball after ball up for grabs....wobbly ducks all over the field. Very loose with the football in the pocket.

I mean I'm honestly just trying to understand what you see that is awesome and would make our team better.