'18 PA QB Phil Jurkovec (Wherever I May Roam Chud)

[Irishman77]

Sorry kid, we like to start the 3* type with heart.

6’5” 220+ with a rocket arm? Not here mate. Off u go.

Nailed it!!!!

 

[Ndaccountant]

Sucks.

2021 just got more difficult.

 

[BobbyMac]

I know its been a rough day for you, buddy! You've had a lot invested in, 5 star. Don't give up hope!

I have nothing invested in Phil. I have 45 years of my life invested in ND football.

ND needs the hit rate on elite talent QB's to improve. Why should I have any expectation that Buchner will be different?

 

[arrowryan]

Sucks.

2021 just got more difficult.

I believe Notre Dame has a Trevor Lawrence/Andrew Luck level player in Buchner so I respectfully disagree.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I have nothing invested in Phil. I have 45 years of my life invested in ND football.

ND needs the hit rate on elite talent QB's to improve. Why should I have any expectation that Buchner will be different?

We shouldn't.

 

[Luckylucci]

Sucks.

2021 just got more difficult.

Super interested in the evolution of Clark and Pyne this Spring. Because that 2021 roster will have some serious dudes on it. The defense should be absolutely loaded and the offense will be replacing most the OL but with studs and the skill positions should be stocked.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I believe Notre Dame has a Trevor Lawrence/Andrew Luck level player in Buchner so I respectfully disagree.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Super interested in the evolution of Clark and Pyne this Spring. Because that 2021 roster will have some serious dudes on it. The defense should be absolutely loaded and the offense will be replacing most the OL but with studs and the skill positions should be stocked.

That's why this one stings more than others from the past. ND was set up.

 

[Rudy89]

This sucks. I thought he would’ve been a great option especially in 2021.

 

[NDVirginia19]

This sucks. I thought he would’ve been a great option especially in 2021.

Stay classy San Diego

EDIT: Looks like he revised himself...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

He ends up at Oklahoma playing for Lincoln Riley and wins the Heisman...

 

[T-Boone]

Good luck to Phil. Hope he does well. So Clark is now number 2.

Is Buchner going to enrol early or stay at his school playing another sport. These duel sports guys might not have the focus in their first few years. Kmet and Phil.

 

[ND88]

It’s tough. Not gonna do any good to wonder what if. It’s difficult when you are talented and have to ride the bench at such a young age. He’ll get his shot somewhere else. Wish him well, but it’s not the end of the world. QBs come and go.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Good luck to Phil. Hope he does well. So Clark is now number 2.

Is Buchner going to enrol early or stay at his school playing another sport. These duel sports guys might not have the focus in their first few years. Kmet and Phil.

What about Kmet?

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[FightingIrishLover7]

I have nothing invested in Phil. I have 45 years of my life invested in ND football.



ND needs the hit rate on elite talent QB's to improve. Why should I have any expectation that Buchner will be different?

Because Tyler can throw overhand

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[Dizzyphil]

Good luck to him.....


2021 Will be interesting... there should be plenty of reps for the 2nd/3rd QB in the beginning of 2020's schedule to see who may replace Book...




But for 2020, we have a QB that when starting for the Irish has a record of 20-3, went to the play-offs, had back-to-back 10+ win seasons, and finished the year with 3,034 passing yards and 34 touchdowns with a 60.2 completion percentage, while throwing only six interceptions.



......... I'll take it for 2020

 

[T-Boone]

What about Kmet?

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He played baseball for a couple seasons. When he quit and focused on football he went to another much higher level.
Lenzy also seemed to improve once he focussed on football.

Phil wasn't playing two sports at college but he was in high school and wasn't that the reason he didn't early enrol?

I just hope Buchner sticks and early enrols.

 

[fightingirish26]

Good luck to Phil. Hope he does well. So Clark is now number 2.

Is Buchner going to enrol early or stay at his school playing another sport. These duel sports guys might not have the focus in their first few years. Kmet and Phil.

I believe he is enrolling early. Remember those 15 minutes when people thought he was reclassifying but it eventually turned out that he was just becoming able to graduate a semester early.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm not sure why some people are pulling their hair out. How often has a QB transferred from here and really lit it up? Crist, Golson, Hendrix, Zaire, Wimbush, none of them really made a mark at their next team. There was a time over a decade ago when Zach Frazer went to UConn and beat us, but that was an awful team in 2009 that sealed the fate of Weis. Zach wasn't exactly a world beater, but he just happened to be good enough on that day.

Great, our best QB on roster is transferring...

Oh no, Book is leaving too?

Sorry kid, we like to start the 3* type with heart.

6’5” 220+ with a rocket arm? Not here mate. Off u go.

It's really too bad BK doesn't have the guts to bench the starting QB to play the more talented back-up...

NDOhio has it right. Whose fault is it if Phil couldn't beat out Book in practice? When has Kelly ever had a problem benching a QB in favor of a backup? It happens all the time. Crist, Rees, Golson, Zaire, Kizer, and Wimbush have all been benched at one point or another for poor play (Sometimes more than once). Most of the time we find out the coaches have it right and were starting the right guy all along. In the case of Crist in 2011 they were wrong, they should have started Tommy all along. Benching the others didn't turn out so hot though. Trust your head, not your heart.

I think the fact he is leaving indicates that he wasn't 1 play away from being the starter and was likely being demoted to third team by Clark. If he was the firm #2, then it truly doesn't make sense unless there's something else taking place outside of the rank structure in the QB room.

I don't get it. You're going to have to sit out a year anyway. You're 1 play from being the starter.

Good luck I guess.

You're right here, unless he manages to find an angle to start right away. Maybe he got a feeling Buckner or Pyne was going to pass him and that solidified the move. Logically there's no other conclusion unless he thinks he avoids the transfer year bench.

Called this the day that Book said he was coming back.

I really think this shows that Kelly is poor at developing talent when he gets it on campus. I hope he can bring in an OC that can develop a QB for us.

I disagree, I think quite the opposite...Book went from a 3 star QB with offers from a ton of small schools (Nevada, Boise, San Jose St, UNLV ) to a 3 year starter (next year included) at ND with a 22-3 record and 53 TD's to 13 Int's over the last 2 years. I'd say BK and Co developed the shit out of him.

This, bish is correct.

Some of you people amaze me.. If he was truly good enough.. BK gives him a shot. Simple.

No idea what he wrote but Driskell gets extremely butt hurt when a player he 'graded' so high doesn't pan out. It must be someones fault other than the eval.

I think a lot of fans get this way. It's been mentioned before, but recruiting stars mean about jack once you get to the college level. You either live up to your potential, or you don't. Stars don't guarantee a damn thing. Scouts don't have crystal balls. For every 5 star that doesn't pan out, there's a 3 star that exceeds expectations. Do people really think coaches legitimately keep a Joe Montana on the bench in favor of a shmuck? The coaches recruit these guys, don't you think they have something invested in the players and want to see them succeed too? You either get it, or you don't.

 

[Irishnuke]

I believe Notre Dame has a Trevor Lawrence/Andrew Luck level player in Buchner so I respectfully disagree.

You're expecting a lot out of a true freshman QB. Luckily outside of Wisconsin and what should be an improved FSU team, 2021's schedule looks pretty soft.

 

[General Colon Bowel]

Oh no, Book is leaving too?

NDOhio has it right. Whose fault is it if Phil couldn't beat out Book in practice? When has Kelly ever had a problem benching a QB in favor of a backup? It happens all the time. Crist, Rees, Golson, Zaire, Kizer, and Wimbush have all been benched at one point or another for poor play (Sometimes more than once). Most of the time we find out the coaches have it right and were starting the right guy all along. In the case of Crist in 2011 they were wrong, they should have started Tommy all along. Benching the others didn't turn out so hot though. Trust your head, not your heart.

You'd think Jurkovec had just led the team to the highest ppg of the Kelly era with the way some people are reacting

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Sucks.

2021 just got more difficult.

How so? Buchner will be coming, Clark will be in his 3rd year and Pyne will have a year and a half at ND. A There is no reason to assume we won't have a good QB in 2021 and hopefully we can run the ball by then

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Coach D HATES Tommy Rees lol.

Dude is going to go off the deep-end if (when) Rees is named OC.

He thinks Tommy sucks badly, and will be a failure as OC. I'm not sure how he could know that already, particularly if Rees really was calling plays late in the year when the offense actually opened up on standard downs.

I'm starting to think Driskell either has a personal ax to grind with Rees, or is overly-invested in Phil J for some reason.

Every tweet I've seen that hinted that Rees was calling plays, Driskell would reply and say it is 100 percent false. So either he doesn't want to believe the change in the offense occurred because of Rees or he has people telling him that didn't happen.

 

[Ndaccountant]

How so? Buchner will be coming, Clark will be in his 3rd year and Pyne will have a year and a half at ND. A There is no reason to assume we won't have a good QB in 2021 and hopefully we can run the ball by then

1) Phil was Buchner before Buchner. So I am not counting on anything from him.

2) ND's needs to have elite QB play to take advantage of the rest of the roster. I personally don't see anything from those two that suggest they would be elite.

Look, Clark and Pyne could turn out great. Or, they could be average. I don't know. But, there is no mistaking that Phil had the foundation / skill set that had a tremendous ceiling. Losing that is not something to just take in stride. This one stings IMO.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Now I'll always be playing the 'what if' game with Phil. He has so many similarities to Kizer. Both awful in the spring game, both tall athletes with strong arms. No one believed in Kizer until he was forced on the field and performed. If Book got hurt, would the gamer in Phil have come out?

But at the same time he can barely even throw a spiral so I'm not gonna get too bummed out.

Next years QB room: Rees coaching Book (Rees 2.0), Clark (Rees 3.0) and Pyne (Rees 4.0). Bring it on.

Why do people think Kizer was so good but dislike Book so much? Kizer had a stronger arm but Book was more accurate and less careless with the ball. Neither won their biggest games, though I'll say the USC game in 2015 and the Syracuse game in 2018 were big games for those seasons.

I've never seen a QB with Book's record and stats but with very little help in the run game get so much criticism. He could have played better at times but overall I think ND was lucky to have him this year.

 

[NCND]

Sorry kid, we like to start the 3* type with heart.

6’5” 220+ with a rocket arm? Not here mate. Off u go.

Love it. Yea, it’s truly baffling and a little frustrating.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Can any of these guys throw more than 20 yards?

Pyne threw a 40 yard dime on the AA game. Book connected with Lenzy and Claypool numerous times over 20 yards

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Eh, does it really? Arguably the best way to look at this statistically would be yds/att. And Golson's ND career had him at 7.85. In all games Book has started it's 7.95. And Kizer is at 8.35. So, I think you could make the case that Kizer's ability to push the ball downfield more than made up for his shortcomings (compared to Book) but don't see that with Golson.

Would it be safe to say that a better rushing attack helped Kizer, too? They couldn't sit back in coverage because they had to respect the run. He did have a bigger arm but he had less passing yards, less completion percentage, less touchdowns, and more picks. Other than maybe more long passes completed, nothing about his stats was better than Book this year. So why is it that Kizer was so we'll liked and fans wanted him back but it's good riddance Book???

 

[IrishFaninTX]

1) Phil was Buchner before Buchner. So I am not counting on anything from him.

2) ND's needs to have elite QB play to take advantage of the rest of the roster. I personally don't see anything from those two that suggest they would be elite.

Look, Clark and Pyne could turn out great. Or, they could be average. I don't know. But, there is no mistaking that Phil had the foundation / skill set that had a tremendous ceiling. Losing that is not something to just take in stride. This one stings IMO.

Phil had 81 touchdowns his Junior year? No, no he didn't. I think Tyler is going to be the best QB ND has had in a very long time. Clark looked good in the game he played. Worrying about 2021 today is fruitless. Lots of things can happen between then and now

 

[BobbyMac]

Phil had 81 touchdowns his Junior year? No, no he didn't. I think Tyler is going to be the best QB ND has had in a very long time. Clark looked good in the game he played. Worrying about 2021 today is fruitless. Lots of things can happen between then and now

Not a good question. Phil had mid 60’s on the #1 school in PA. Getting 15 more on Buchner’s squad & schedule this year would be expected. I mean the OTHER QB in LaJolla led the entire nation in passing and passing TD’s.

Everything will be fine when BK hires Moorhead and Phil changes his mind.