'18 PA QB Phil Jurkovec (Wherever I May Roam Chud)

[ab2cmiller]

Anyone read the SI article from Driskell? The hell he referring to? I must of missed something.

Based upon the comments that Driskell made interacting with other posters, it sounds like Reesus is the main guy that has a problem with Phil.

 

[IrishLion]

Coach D HATES Tommy Rees lol.

Dude is going to go off the deep-end if (when) Rees is named OC.

He thinks Tommy sucks badly, and will be a failure as OC. I'm not sure how he could know that already, particularly if Rees really was calling plays late in the year when the offense actually opened up on standard downs.

I'm starting to think Driskell either has a personal ax to grind with Rees, or is overly-invested in Phil J for some reason.

 

[Irish YJ]

I understand 100% the desire to play. I get it. But if you arent playing by year three, you have about a 1 in a zillion chance of going pro. Why wouldnt he get the ND degree and ride that to a successful career rather than having one year playing for a MAC or low PAC10 team?

Yup, get the degree first, then go somewhere and have 2 years.

 

[Luckylucci]

Coach D HATES Tommy Rees lol.

Dude is going to go off the deep-end if (when) Rees is named OC.

He thinks Tommy sucks badly, and will be a failure as OC. I'm not sure how he could know that already, particularly if Rees really was calling plays late in the year when the offense actually opened up on standard downs.

I'm starting to think Driskell either has a personal ax to grind with Rees, or is overly-invested in Phil J for some reason.

It's probably a combination of both. He's the single worst ND beat writer when it comes to having axes to grind with staff and prospects. He did it to Denson very publicly and completely unprofessionally. I've been following ND online for a long time and I've never seen anything like that. Intentionally insulting and questioning a coaches person is too much for me. And he does it to prospects. The guy said some insanely personal and choice stuff about Josh Barajas because he didn't live up to his 'grade'.

 

[Free Manera]

Coach D HATES Tommy Rees lol.

Dude is going to go off the deep-end if (when) Rees is named OC.

He thinks Tommy sucks badly, and will be a failure as OC. I'm not sure how he could know that already, particularly if Rees really was calling plays late in the year when the offense actually opened up on standard downs.

I'm starting to think Driskell either has a personal ax to grind with Rees, or is overly-invested in Phil J for some reason.

I don't think that's really the case though. I think Driskell comes off harsh in tweets and message board posts because he isn't the most gifted writer and sometimes is just tactless. Listen to his most recent podcast though. He says he likes Rees, thinks he will be a very good CFB and maybe NFL coach someday. But he just doesn't think he is ready to be an OC because he has only been a full time coach for like 3 years. He needs more seasoning. I think that is a reasonable take and most people probably agree with that.

 

[fightingirish26]

Now I'll always be playing the 'what if' game with Phil. He has so many similarities to Kizer. Both awful in the spring game, both tall athletes with strong arms. No one believed in Kizer until he was forced on the field and performed. If Book got hurt, would the gamer in Phil have come out?

But at the same time he can barely even throw a spiral so I'm not gonna get too bummed out.

Next years QB room: Rees coaching Book (Rees 2.0), Clark (Rees 3.0) and Pyne (Rees 4.0). Bring it on.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Next years QB room: Rees coaching Book (Rees 2.0), Clark (Rees 3.0) and Pyne (Rees 4.0). Bring it on.

Can any of these guys throw more than 20 yards?

 

[EddytoNow]

I understand 100% the desire to play. I get it. But if you arent playing by year three, you have about a 1 in a zillion chance of going pro. Why wouldnt he get the ND degree and ride that to a successful career rather than having one year playing for a MAC or low PAC10 team?

Jurkovec isn't blind. He's seen what Fields, Burrows, and Hurts did this year after transferring and getting a chance to play. None of the three mentioned would have started if they had remained at the school to which they originally committed. Burrows, in particular, has gone from buried on the depth chart at Ohio State to Heisman winner at LSU. There are no guarantees that Jurkovec will have a similar kind of success somewhere else, but he has a 0% chance at Notre Dame.

Step One: Get on the field for some meaningful playing time.
Step Two: Do well.
Step Three: Get drafted by an NFL team.

At Notre Dame, Jurkovec has not been given a "real" chance at Step One. He, also, hasn't been given any assurance that a third year would be significantly different from his first two. Who can blame him for leaving?

 

[fightingirish26]

Can any of these guys throw more than 20 yards?

This one looks alright

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[IrishLion]

Clark (Rees 3.0)

Can any of these guys throw more than 20 yards?

Clark's skill set is closer to Wimbush than Rees lol.

He can move and he's got a strong arm.

If he can throw an accurate pass, he will be alright.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Jurkovec isn't blind. He's seen what Fields, Burrows, and Hurts did this year after transferring and getting a chance to play. None of the three mentioned would have started if they had remained at the school to which they originally committed. Burrows, in particular, has gone from buried on the depth chart at Ohio State to Heisman winner at LSU. There are no guarantees that Jurkovec will have a similar kind of success somewhere else, but he has a 0% chance at Notre Dame.

Step One: Get on the field for some meaningful playing time.
Step Two: Do well.
Step Three: Get drafted by an NFL team.

At Notre Dame, Jurkovec has not been given a "real" chance at Step One. He, also, hasn't been given any assurance that a third year would be significantly different from his first two. Who can blame him for leaving?

Hurts had success at Bama. Granted, it was Bama so kinda hard to not look good surrounded by that talent. BUT...

 

[fightingirish26]

Clark's skill set is closer to Wimbush than Rees lol.

He can move and he's got a strong arm.

If he can throw an accurate pass, he will be alright.

It was supposed to be a joke about the four of them being viewed as career backups during the recruiting process

 

[IrishLion]

It was supposed to be a joke about the four of them being viewed as career backups during the recruiting process

Well fuck me right

I thought we were talking about white dudes with weak but accurate arms.

 

[NDMontana]

Can any of these guys throw more than 20 yards?

Rees could throw 20 yards....it was just that the trajectory looked like the St. Louis Arch!

 

[BobbyMac]

Was just on our Facebook group and joked:

I am entering the portal until you hire Joe Moorhead as the OC.

Signed,

5*Phil

Come back here and find out it might not be a joke.

 

[SoIll]

y'all are sleeping on Clark

 

[BobbyMac]

Rees could throw 20 yards....it was just that the trajectory looked like the St. Louis Arch!

And when it got to Eifert or Floyd they had to highpoint it over two DB's falling out of bounds for the catch.

 

[dublinirish]

y'all are sleeping on Clark

Clark went down in my book when he cut his hair post training camp. He was a Fu Manchu mustache away from being labelled a Gunslinger.

 

[BobbyMac]

y'all are sleeping on Clark

I agree the physical potential is there. 100%

Question is at 6-2/220, does BK look at him standing next to Lil' P and go... I'd rather win with the runt!

 

[Luckylucci]

y'all are sleeping on Clark

Just got done re-watching his Senior Highlight tape. Kid can play. Still surprised he didn't be a better rep from the services. A big time winner with incredible stats.

 

[ThePiombino]

Just got done re-watching his Senior Highlight tape. Kid can play. Still surprised he didn't be a better rep from the services. A big time winner with incredible stats.

Did he not hit the camp circuits? I know a lot of times those kids tend to earn lower rankings.

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[NDMontana]

And when it got to Eifert or Floyd they had to highpoint it over two DB's falling out of bounds for the catch.

They both played a lot 500 or “smear the....” when they were kids!

 

[BeatSC]

The one thing I can say with certainty is that Book is not on an elite level and never will be with what he has to work with (his physical limitations). This also means that ND next year will sadly not be in the same class with the top tier teams like this years LSU, OSU and Clemson. We could be on tier two but not because of Book.

We'll never know what Phil could have accomplished with the first team and a full playbook. Historically Ex-ND QBs have gone on to awful results. Montgomery VanGorder might actually be the exception.

Do we think Kelly is routing for failure from the players that leave? I don't and I try to follow them. I will say it doesn't look like we have ever missed many of them.

Hope Phil doesn't have to regret missing out on the ND degree. Book better start off next season the way he ended it this year. Sure hope he doesn't get hurt.

I have to say what I have seen from Phil worried me and puzzled me that he had so many results in his past with the ugliest thrown ball I have seen.

Good luck Phil

 

[KizerWilhelm]

At risk of turning this into the Driskell thread: my read of his post and then the comments on his other post is that it is transparently just a case of him hating Tom Rees. Trashing Book/ propping up PJ are just arrows in the quiver.

The stuff complaining about "negative leaks" is particularly silly. Half the fanbase was openly rallying to supplant the starting QB, of course they're gonna leak "guys, the backup isn't as good as the starter, cool your jets"

 

[BobbyMac]

They both played a lot 500 or “smear the....” when they were kids!

500 created more black eyes, broken noses and chipped teeth than every bar fight I saw in 9 years of undergrad.

 

[SoIll]

I agree the physical potential is there. 100%

Question is at 6-2/220, does BK look at him standing next to Lil' P and go... I'd rather win with the runt!

I know its been a rough day for you, buddy! You've had a lot invested in, 5 star. Don't give up hope!

 

[Irish YJ]

At risk of turning this into the Driskell thread: my read of his post and then the comments on his other post is that it is transparently just a case of him hating Tom Rees. Trashing Book/ propping up PJ are just arrows in the quiver.

The stuff complaining about "negative leaks" is particularly silly. Half the fanbase was openly rallying to supplant the starting QB, of course they're gonna leak "guys, the backup isn't as good as the starter, cool your jets"

Driskell acts like a woman scorned way too much from what I recall. Stopped reading most of his stuff (unless linked here) a while ago. He's narrative based and holds onto to stuff too long.

 

[Domina Nostra]

- I like Ian Book, but thought, at points, that his inability to throw a great long ball hurts the offense too much. I still hold out hope that he improves over the summer. This offense is a different beast with the long ball (Golson and Kizer)
- I like tall QBs, like Kizer and Phil much better.
- I wanted Book to graduate, and Phil to be the QB next year. Once Ian Book decided to stay, I thought there was 0.0% chance Phil will beat him out. Kelly loves experience.
- That stinks because I think Phil will blossom once he gets a chance to play a little without someone breathing down his neck.

So I am huge PJ fan. BUT

The game that Brendon Clark came in and got some reps, it was apparent that he had a ton of confidence. More than Phil. I thought, "Ut oh, this guy has Brian Kelly QB written all over him. Phil is in for some competition." I wanted Phil to win, but I was not sure it was going to happen.

Luckily, BC is a legit 6'2". I am not a believer in sub-6'1" Qbs, unless they are freakish athletes. That means I am not sold on Drew Pyne, who is not 6'1" IMO.

All this to say, it sucks that we are losing Phil. But I don't think he was inevitable as the next ND QB. BC looks like a gamer.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Sorry kid, we like to start the 3* type with heart.

6’5” 220+ with a rocket arm? Not here mate. Off u go.

 

[Luckylucci]

- I like Ian Book, but thought, at points, that his inability to throw a great long ball hurts the offense too much. I still hold out hope that he improves over the summer. This offense is a different beast with the long ball (Golson and Kizer)- I like tall QBs, like Kizer and Phil much better.
- I wanted Book to graduate, and Phil to be the QB next year. Once Ian Book decided to stay, I thought there was 0.0% chance Phil will beat him out. Kelly loves experience.
- That stinks because I think Phil will blossom once he gets a chance to play a little without someone breathing down his neck.

So I am huge PJ fan. BUT

The game that Brendon Clark came in and got some reps, it was apparent that he had a ton of confidence. More than Phil. I thought, "Ut oh, this guy has Brian Kelly QB written all over him. Phil is in for some competition." I wanted Phil to win, but I was not sure it was going to happen.

Luckily, BC is a legit 6'2". I am not a believer in sub-6'1" Qbs, unless they are freakish athletes. That means I am not sold on Drew Pyne, who is not 6'1" IMO.

All this to say, it sucks that we are losing Phil. But I don't think he was inevitable as the next ND QB. BC looks like a gamer.

Eh, does it really? Arguably the best way to look at this statistically would be yds/att. And Golson's ND career had him at 7.85. In all games Book has started it's 7.95. And Kizer is at 8.35. So, I think you could make the case that Kizer's ability to push the ball downfield more than made up for his shortcomings (compared to Book) but don't see that with Golson.