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Yep not bright enough when I graduated college with an A average
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The good news is that it is not unusual for Loy to be wrong on a regular basis.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
Guys over at ISD aren't buying it and neither am I.

He's Irish IMO. Ohio State is a tough pull, but ND has done the leg work and has the relationships. If he wants the whole college experience and if he's basing his choice on relationships, then ND is without a doubt the choice.

Not saying he's a lock, but I think we're in better shape to land him as of right now.
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I definitely agree that it's not a done deal yet--the kid clearly has legit ND interest--but I tend to believe that the better salesman has the advantage when a kid can't seem to decide, so I'd bet on Urban. Hope to be wrong!
 
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Crazy Balki said:
Guys over at ISD aren't buying it and neither am I.

He's Irish IMO. Ohio State is a tough pull, but ND has done the leg work and has the relationships. If he wants the whole college experience and if he's basing his choice on relationships, then ND is without a doubt the choice.

Not saying he's a lock, but I think we're in better shape to land him as of right now.
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Where do you see ISD mods not buying it? I haven't seen any of them come out and say it's just not true, unless I've missed the articles/posts. All of them have said before the BG game, and after that they think ND has a chance, but it's going to be a battle with OSU.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
Guys over at ISD aren't buying it and neither am I.

He's Irish IMO. Ohio State is a tough pull, but ND has done the leg work and has the relationships. If he wants the whole college experience and if he's basing his choice on relationships, then ND is without a doubt the choice.

Not saying he's a lock, but I think we're in better shape to land him as of right now.
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Neither am I.
 
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I definitely agree that it's not a done deal yet--the kid clearly has legit ND interest--but I tend to believe that the better salesman has the advantage when a kid can't seem to decide, so I'd bet on Urban. Hope to be wrong!
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If you look at this thing historically, the first person to stand out in the process was Dantonio. Here is what is important. That was after Dallas met Urban, but before he met Kelly, let alone Kelly's new staff.

For all those that want to talk about the number of fans at a spring game as something important, think about this :

Saturday, Niles Morgan, Greer Martini, and Drue Tranquil played at a higher level than any three ND linebackers in recent history, let alone last year. They showed just enough scheme (to great advantage) as well as solid play. NOW, think about it, between those three players, how many years of eligibility remain? If you were a top high school recruit, what would most interest you? Crowd size? Coaching? Or possibilities of early playing time?​

Anyone who wants to consider Dallas Gant, not a superior or even elite athlete, and want to judge him on one performance in Cleveland, be my guest. To each his own. But if you think I sometimes act superior or act demeaning, it may be nothing more than picking up on me recognizing stupidity when I see it.

I have seen some great high school linebackers, from the 1970's to present. I saw Jaylon Smith play in high school more than once, in person. I am telling you that Dallas is under-coached compared to Jaylon. That said,
  • Dallas has as much or more speed with his lateral movement than Jaylon or any other linebacker I have seen does. (Jaylon had more overall speed and probably a bit more explosiveness. But he was off of the charts!)
  • At this point, Dallas has more upper body strength than Jaylon had as a junior.
  • Dallas has one standout feature when he plays - You can distinctly hear most of his tackles on the sidelines and in the stands. His hits sound louder, every time!

I have actually talked to three media kinds of folks. All of them really are a bit confused, or in the dark, but they all think ND. Most of the smart ones have asked the other ND recruits from '18 confidentially. I bet they all think ND. And I doubt the OSU recruits say the same, with equal certainty, or reason.

Dallas really has established great relationships with a number of members of the Class of '18.

Dallas and his family are probably as impervious to prediction as anyone you will meet, and immune to salesmanship, as well. They have their own priorities, and they know what they want. Anyone at this time is guessing, or they know.

If they know, they wouldn't say out of respect. If they are guessing, they just risk looking foolish. Because you cannot apply average standards to this situation.

So if I know, I won't say. But silliness is silliness.

If you think he is a 'silent commit' to anywhere, go back and look at pictures taken of him at the spring game. And of his family. Look at their faces. Even if you think they are stupid enough to come to a spring game once they know they are going somewhere else, do you think they would have had that kind of interest in Irish goings on?

This point isn't about where Dallas is going. This is about stories people make up. Why would Dallas be a silent commit? That is a rumor started by someone with no first-hand knowledge of the situation, or people involved, for bunches of people who don't.

As far as the OSU Irish, Irish UofM stories promoted by the OSU and Michigan sites, that is simple. Michigan never got into the race at the beginning. They apparently must have thought Dallas was related to Allen. He isn't, but the families are friends from church. Allen and Jim Harbaugh didn't do so well.

But Michigan may have been Dallas' first favorite. Which is why finally when they came round, they even got a spin. The reason every school thinks they are in it is the Dallas, his mom, and his dad are all inscrutable. And they are polite, mannered, cultured, and kind. All of them. Even his grandma. Check that. Especially his grandma!

People don't pay attention to how professionally, and personally accomplished his family is. Or how smart Dallas is. Like maybe a genius. Or how football has just been a sport up until Dallas met with the success he has. He is not like a lot of kids that are high four-star recruits. Without football now, Dallas would make as much or more in his career in any case after college as a professional.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
If you look at this thing historically, the first person to stand out in the process was Dantonio. Here is what is important. That was after Dallas met Urban, but before he met Kelly, let alone Kelly's new staff.

For all those that want to talk about the number of fans at a spring game as something important, think about this :

Saturday, Niles Morgan, Greer Martini, and Drue Tranquil played at a higher level than any three ND linebackers in recent history, let alone last year. They showed just enough scheme (to great advantage) as well as solid play. NOW, think about it, between those three players, how many years of eligibility remain? If you were a top high school recruit, what would most interest you? Crowd size? Coaching? Or possibilities of early playing time?​

Anyone who wants to consider Dallas Gant, not a superior or even elite athlete, and want to judge him on one performance in Cleveland, be my guest. To each his own. But if you think I sometimes act superior or act demeaning, it may be nothing more than picking up on me recognizing stupidity when I see it.

I have seen some great high school linebackers, from the 1970's to present. I saw Jaylon Smith play in high school more than once, in person. I am telling you that Dallas is under-coached compared to Jaylon. That said,
  • Dallas has as much or more speed with his lateral movement than Jaylon or any other linebacker I have seen does. (Jaylon had more overall speed and probably a bit more explosiveness. But he was off of the charts!)
  • At this point, Dallas has more upper body strength than Jaylon had as a junior.
  • Dallas has one standout feature when he plays - You can distinctly hear most of his tackles on the sidelines and in the stands. His hits sound louder, every time!

I have actually talked to three media kinds of folks. All of them really are a big confused, or in the dark, but they all think ND. Most of the smart ones have asked the other ND recruits from '18 confidentially. I bet they all think ND. And I doubt the OSU recruits say the same, with equal certainty, or reason.

Dallas really has established great relationships with a number of members of the Class of '18.

Dallas and his family are probably as impervious to prediction as anyone you will meet, and immune to salesmanship, as well. They have their own priorities, and they know what they want. Anyone at this time is guessing, or they know.

If they know, they wouldn't say out of respect. If they are guessing, they just risk looking foolish. Because you cannot apply average standards to this situation.

So if I know, I won't say. But silliness is silliness.

If you think he is a 'silent commit' to anywhere, go back and look at pictures taken of him at the spring game. And of his family. Look at their faces. Even if you think they are stupid enough to come to a spring game once they know they are going somewhere else, do you think they would have had that kind of interest in Irish goings on?

This point isn't about where Dallas is going. This is about stories people make up. Why would Dallas be a silent commit? That is a rumor started by someone with no first-hand knowledge of the situation, or people involved, for bunches of people who don't.

As far as the OSU Irish, Irish UofM stories promoted by the OSU and Michigan sites, that is simple. Michigan never got into the race at the beginning. They apparently must have thought Dallas was related to Allen. He isn't, but the families are friends from church. Allen and Jim Harbaugh didn't do so well.

But Michigan may have been Dallas' first favorite. Which is why finally when they came round, they even got a spin. The reason every school thinks they are in it is the Dallas, his mom, and his dad are all inscrutable. And they are polite, mannered, cultured, and kind. All of them. Even his grandma. Check that. Especially his grandma!

People don't pay attention to how professionally, and personally accomplished his family is. Or how smart Dallas is. Like maybe a genius. Or how football has just been a sport up until Dallas met with the success he has. He is not like a lot of kids that are high four-star recruits. Without football now, Dallas would make as much or more in his career in any case after college as a professional.
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Bogtrotter07 said:
If you look at this thing historically, the first person to stand out in the process was Dantonio. Here is what is important. That was after Dallas met Urban, but before he met Kelly, let alone Kelly's new staff.
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This is a good point. Like I said, if a recruit can't choose between OSU and ND after a few months of really looking into things, then I assume Meyer is going to win most of those battles. In other words, if they don't understand that what ND offers is very, very different than what OSU offers, than I think they are going to chose OSU as long as Meyer is there.

However, if Dallas was tuned into the dysfunction at ND under BVG/Longo, and is now intrigued by our new staff and attitude, I don't see any reason to assume OSU wins.

Sounds like he's quite a kid.
 
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Wait a minute! I just took the day off to read your War & Peace manifesto and you mean to tell me you didn't give us his destination?

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WELL, PRINCE, Genoa and Lucca are now no more than private estates of the Bonaparte family. No, I warn you, that if you do not tell me we are at war, if you again allow yourself to palliate all the infamies and atrocities of this Antichrist (upon my word, I believe he is), I don't know you in future, you are no longer my friend, no longer my faithful slave, as you say. There, how do you do, how do you do? I see I'm scaring you, sit down and talk to me."
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And, the first thing I will say on May 16th is, "I knew that a month ago!"

I won't say anything more, (other than calling people out on their b.s.) than don't be surprised if it doesn't go until the 16th. It may happen sooner. I mean, as in more quickly than that.
 
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IrishFanForever23 said:
Where do you see ISD mods not buying it? I haven't seen any of them come out and say it's just not true, unless I've missed the articles/posts. All of them have said before the BG game, and after that they think ND has a chance, but it's going to be a battle with OSU.
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Matt Freeman basically said he likes ND's chances and if it's down to relationships, then ND is the clear favorite. Perhaps "not buying it" is a bit extreme, but he's feeling ND in this one. He, like myself, are still wary of UM's ability to sell the crap out of his program. That being said, I'm one of the party that relationships with coaches and players are arguably the biggest factors when making a decision.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying he's locked into us, but I like our chances right now. I'll take his word over Loy's every single time.
 
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So, two notes that are of interest to me.

1. He had very little contact with Urban at the OSU spring game. Was that because he already told him he was coming so Urban focused his attention elsewhere? Or did he let him know he was just there for fun? Would Urban just let a top in-state defensive target go without a fight?

2. Once he got on campus at ND, Saturday, he went to the bookstore and bought a $100+ ND jacket.

Not really sure what to make of his recruitment. I think both sides could make easy cases for optimism.
 
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Luckylucci said:
So, two notes that are of interest to me.

1. He had very little contact with Urban at the OSU spring game. Was that because he already told him he was coming so Urban focused his attention elsewhere? Or did he let him know he was just there for fun? Would Urban just let a top in-state defensive target go without a fight?

2. Once he got on campus at ND, Saturday, he went to the bookstore and bought a $100+ ND jacket.

Not really sure what to make of his recruitment. I think both sides could make easy cases for optimism.
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1. Just spitballin", but I wouldn't think so. No matter how level headed a kid may be, it's human nature to be wanted and get even a little attention.

2. $100 is a lot of money to spend on a jacket that would just get thrown in the closet if he chose another school. No way he's wearing that in Columbus or Ann Arbor. Here's where our conspiracy theorist come out and say the jacket could be a present for someone else or he was cold and bought it on impulse.


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It's never over until they sign. Even then, Vanderdoes displayed a way to get out of it.
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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
If you look at this thing historically, the first person to stand out in the process was Dantonio. Here is what is important. That was after Dallas met Urban, but before he met Kelly, let alone Kelly's new staff.

For all those that want to talk about the number of fans at a spring game as something important, think about this :

Saturday, Niles Morgan, Greer Martini, and Drue Tranquil played at a higher level than any three ND linebackers in recent history, let alone last year. They showed just enough scheme (to great advantage) as well as solid play. NOW, think about it, between those three players, how many years of eligibility remain? If you were a top high school recruit, what would most interest you? Crowd size? Coaching? Or possibilities of early playing time?​

Anyone who wants to consider Dallas Gant, not a superior or even elite athlete, and want to judge him on one performance in Cleveland, be my guest. To each his own. But if you think I sometimes act superior or act demeaning, it may be nothing more than picking up on me recognizing stupidity when I see it.

I have seen some great high school linebackers, from the 1970's to present. I saw Jaylon Smith play in high school more than once, in person. I am telling you that Dallas is under-coached compared to Jaylon. That said,
  • Dallas has as much or more speed with his lateral movement than Jaylon or any other linebacker I have seen does. (Jaylon had more overall speed and probably a bit more explosiveness. But he was off of the charts!)
  • At this point, Dallas has more upper body strength than Jaylon had as a junior.
  • Dallas has one standout feature when he plays - You can distinctly hear most of his tackles on the sidelines and in the stands. His hits sound louder, every time!

I have actually talked to three media kinds of folks. All of them really are a bit confused, or in the dark, but they all think ND. Most of the smart ones have asked the other ND recruits from '18 confidentially. I bet they all think ND. And I doubt the OSU recruits say the same, with equal certainty, or reason.

Dallas really has established great relationships with a number of members of the Class of '18.

Dallas and his family are probably as impervious to prediction as anyone you will meet, and immune to salesmanship, as well. They have their own priorities, and they know what they want. Anyone at this time is guessing, or they know.

If they know, they wouldn't say out of respect. If they are guessing, they just risk looking foolish. Because you cannot apply average standards to this situation.

So if I know, I won't say. But silliness is silliness.

If you think he is a 'silent commit' to anywhere, go back and look at pictures taken of him at the spring game. And of his family. Look at their faces. Even if you think they are stupid enough to come to a spring game once they know they are going somewhere else, do you think they would have had that kind of interest in Irish goings on?

This point isn't about where Dallas is going. This is about stories people make up. Why would Dallas be a silent commit? That is a rumor started by someone with no first-hand knowledge of the situation, or people involved, for bunches of people who don't.

As far as the OSU Irish, Irish UofM stories promoted by the OSU and Michigan sites, that is simple. Michigan never got into the race at the beginning. They apparently must have thought Dallas was related to Allen. He isn't, but the families are friends from church. Allen and Jim Harbaugh didn't do so well.

But Michigan may have been Dallas' first favorite. Which is why finally when they came round, they even got a spin. The reason every school thinks they are in it is the Dallas, his mom, and his dad are all inscrutable. And they are polite, mannered, cultured, and kind. All of them. Even his grandma. Check that. Especially his grandma!

People don't pay attention to how professionally, and personally accomplished his family is. Or how smart Dallas is. Like maybe a genius. Or how football has just been a sport up until Dallas met with the success he has. He is not like a lot of kids that are high four-star recruits. Without football now, Dallas would make as much or more in his career in any case after college as a professional.
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Appreciate the optimism, but I'm still scratching my head as to why OSU writers who previously had ND leading now believe OSU leads. I don't see Gant and his family being the type to play games and trying to throw people off.
 
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IrishFanForever23 said:
Appreciate the optimism, but I'm still scratching my head as to why OSU writers who previously had ND leading now believe OSU leads. I don't see Gant and his family being the type to play games and trying to throw people off.
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I don't think it's about playing games, I think it's that Gant (and his family) are just legitimately good people, so whenever they get interviewed, the beat reporter always feels like he was talking up [school] enough that they are probably the favorite.

When scUM sources interview him, he's respectful and says enough good things that they think he might be a scUM lean.

Same with ND, same with OSU. He gives everyone the warm-fuzzies.
 
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Luckylucci said:
So, two notes that are of interest to me.

1. He had very little contact with Urban at the OSU spring game. Was that because he already told him he was coming so Urban focused his attention elsewhere? Or did he let him know he was just there for fun? Would Urban just let a top in-state defensive target go without a fight?

2. Once he got on campus at ND, Saturday, he went to the bookstore and bought a $100+ ND jacket.

Not really sure what to make of his recruitment. I think both sides could make easy cases for optimism.
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Did the bookstore not have their golf bags out yet?
 
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IrishFanForever23 said:
Appreciate the optimism, but I'm still scratching my head as to why OSU writers who previously had ND leading now believe OSU leads. I don't see Gant and his family being the type to play games and trying to throw people off.
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When did they change? I am reading OSU articles from mid April, just pre their spring game where it seems they are pessimistic about OSU chances. Gant talking about the tradition of ND, familiarity, relationships, academics.
Last I saw OSU are now going after their number two in state line backer option (or at least he has suddenly put on hold announcing with smaller schools) which again made me think Gant has told them no thanks.
 
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