'18 FL WR Kevin Austin (Notre Dame Signee)

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Allegedly/supposedly/maybe?

That would be a great outcome for all. He just needs to look back and remember the class and attitude Dex displayed early last year. If he wants it he can have it. I'm cheering for him.

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Come on Kevin, enjoy the ganja in the offseason if you're handling all the other stuff.

I wish the laws would be updated but don't jeopardize your future.

Also the more states that legalize weed the more complicated this is going to get. I realize it's against the rules at ND but if it's, like, legal and normal where you're from...

I do hope Austin gets it together here. No reason he can't still have a productive season or three for Notre Dame and make it to the NFL while also getting a great degree. But he has to choose that path.
 

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Jordan Johnson is coming for it all. This was a pivotal year for Austin to make a claim for that Alpha WR role next season.

Agreed. We can still have two alphas or one year for Jordan to acclimate but I have a feeling he'll hit the ground running. His routes look so damn smooth.

Also the more states that legalize weed the more complicated this is going to get. I realize it's against the rules at ND but if it's, like, legal and normal where you're from...

I do hope Austin gets it together here. No reason he can't still have a productive season or three for Notre Dame and make it to the NFL while also getting a great degree. But he has to choose that path.

Understood. I want the laws to change but it doesn't excuse the current situation. I want Austin to right the ship and show out. Seriously, he can enjoy mj most of the year, just take a few breaks here and there.
 

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Also the more states that legalize weed the more complicated this is going to get. I realize it's against the rules at ND but if it's, like, legal and normal where you're from...

I do hope Austin gets it together here. No reason he can't still have a productive season or three for Notre Dame and make it to the NFL while also getting a great degree. But he has to choose that path.

It doesn't matter if its legal. There are a ton of legal supplements that are banned by the NCAA for one reason or another. The NCAA could justify it by saying its dangerous to have in your system when playing a contact sport or that they are worried about the health effects while playing a sport. I bet its going to take more research over a longer time frame (or an alternative league for athletes that allows it) for them to change the rules.
 

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It doesn't matter if its legal. There are a ton of legal supplements that are banned by the NCAA for one reason or another. The NCAA could justify it by saying its dangerous to have in your system when playing a contact sport or that they are worried about the health effects while playing a sport. I bet its going to take more research over a longer time frame (or an alternative league for athletes that allows it) for them to change the rules.



This is flat wrong.

Read up on the Oregon Ducks. Herb is legal in Oregon, and just as importantly, random drug tests are *illegal*. As long as you go to class, you're A-OK as the university decided it doesnt give a shit if adults smoke some weed.

The NCAA isnt doing a damn thing about it.
 

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This is flat wrong.

Read up on the Oregon Ducks. Herb is legal in Oregon, and just as importantly, random drug tests are *illegal*. As long as you go to class, you're A-OK as the university decided it doesnt give a shit if adults smoke some weed.

The NCAA isnt doing a damn thing about it.

I have a feeling that as the years go by, states that have legalized marijuana are going to do better recruiting, especially if schools in that state do not test for it. Now I understand why the Oregon WBB team is killing it on the recruiting trail.
 

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This is flat wrong.

Read up on the Oregon Ducks. Herb is legal in Oregon, and just as importantly, random drug tests are *illegal*. As long as you go to class, you're A-OK as the university decided it doesnt give a shit if adults smoke some weed.

The NCAA isnt doing a damn thing about it.

Random drug tests are not illegal in Oregon. At least it wasn't last year. Unless it's a special law just for state schools, random drug testing has been very legal. A matter of fact, there are numerous articles that businesses can't find enough employees who test clean.
 

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Random drug tests are not illegal in Oregon. At least it wasn't last year. Unless it's a special law just for state schools, random drug testing has been very legal. A matter of fact, there are numerous articles that businesses can't find enough employees who test clean.



You're absolutely right. I apologize for misinterpreting.

I guess I'm just in a bubble working a state job in Portland. I assume everyone has reasonable protections like I do.

hahahaha.

The rest of its correct though. Nobody's random UAing Oregon football players for weed.
 

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You're absolutely right. I apologize for misinterpreting.

I guess I'm just in a bubble working a state job in Portland. I assume everyone has reasonable protections like I do.

hahahaha.

The rest of its correct though. Nobody's random UAing Oregon football players for weed.

just did a google. the athletic department does random drug testing, and it includes weed.
or should i say, at least their policy says they do.

https://policies.uoregon.edu/vol-3-...giate-athletics/athletic-department-substance
 

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It doesn't matter if its legal. There are a ton of legal supplements that are banned by the NCAA for one reason or another. The NCAA could justify it by saying its dangerous to have in your system when playing a contact sport or that they are worried about the health effects while playing a sport. I bet its going to take more research over a longer time frame (or an alternative league for athletes that allows it) for them to change the rules.

Again, though, Austin's not in NCAA trouble for testing positive for a performance enhancing drug. He's in Notre Dame trouble for violating du Lac.
I know the rules are the rules (and I've no particular problem with Notre Dame saying scholarship athletes shouldn't smoke pot). I'm just interested to see how the rules evolve over time.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> coach Brian Kelly didn't clarify WR Kevin Austin's status (expected to miss season), but did say Austin is enrolled at ND and is committed to staying at ND.</p>— Eric Hansen (@EHansenNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/EHansenNDI/status/1166745670889480192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> coach Brian Kelly didn't clarify WR Kevin Austin's status (expected to miss season), but did say Austin is enrolled at ND and is committed to staying at ND.</p>— Eric Hansen (@EHansenNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/EHansenNDI/status/1166745670889480192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Guess we’ll find out come practice for week 5. If he’s still on the scout team then it’s more than likely not just 4 games. I figured there wouldn't be much clarification from BK’s presser today. This is exactly how he responded to Stepherson and Williams situations as well. So it’s basically going to be a wait and see.
 

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Again, though, Austin's not in NCAA trouble for testing positive for a performance enhancing drug. He's in Notre Dame trouble for violating du Lac.
I know the rules are the rules (and I've no particular problem with Notre Dame saying scholarship athletes shouldn't smoke pot). I'm just interested to see how the rules evolve over time.

Its not du Lac. I'm pretty sure technically the information never leaves the athletic department. And it is tested for because it is part of the NCAA rules. The only reason we even have testing is so that we make sure no one gets caught by the NCAA because they have even harsher punishment. If we didn't test for weed but the NCAA did, the players might be smoking and then the NCAA could come in and ask for drug tests and then everyone fails and loses half a season. If we do our own testing, knowing the NCAA also tests for weed, we can make sure our guys are clean and if they aren't then they are just put on probation for that first offense instead of being out for half a season.
 

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Its not du Lac. I'm pretty sure technically the information never leaves the athletic department. And it is tested for because it is part of the NCAA rules. The only reason we even have testing is so that we make sure no one gets caught by the NCAA because they have even harsher punishment. If we didn't test for weed but the NCAA did, the players might be smoking and then the NCAA could come in and ask for drug tests and then everyone fails and loses half a season. If we do our own testing, knowing the NCAA also tests for weed, we can make sure our guys are clean and if they aren't then they are just put on probation for that first offense instead of being out for half a season.

Yet Clemson has multiple players test positive for actual performance enhancing substances, and the NCAA chooses not to pursue it any further and just ban those guys for the next couple of games.

Common sense doesn't appear to be their strong suit.
 

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Yet Clemson has multiple players test positive for actual performance enhancing substances, and the NCAA chooses not to pursue it any further and just ban those guys for the next couple of games.

Common sense doesn't appear to be their strong suit.

I thought it was hair gel?
 

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Its not du Lac. I'm pretty sure technically the information never leaves the athletic department. And it is tested for because it is part of the NCAA rules. The only reason we even have testing is so that we make sure no one gets caught by the NCAA because they have even harsher punishment. If we didn't test for weed but the NCAA did, the players might be smoking and then the NCAA could come in and ask for drug tests and then everyone fails and loses half a season. If we do our own testing, knowing the NCAA also tests for weed, we can make sure our guys are clean and if they aren't then they are just put on probation for that first offense instead of being out for half a season.

The NCAA does ban marijuana but treats it differently than other performance enhancing drugs. This seems to suggest they only test at championship events and generally leave it up to the schools/conferences to determine penalties for positive tests.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...n-important-modern-shift/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e

Are other schools routinely suspending players for pot use? I dont know - and of course it’s hard to say because, like ND, I’d guess most couch it in vague “rules” violations - but it doesn’t seem like it.
 

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The NCAA does ban marijuana but treats it differently than other performance enhancing drugs. This seems to suggest they only test at championship events and generally leave it up to the schools/conferences to determine penalties for positive tests.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...n-important-modern-shift/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e

Are other schools routinely suspending players for pot use? I dont know - and of course it’s hard to say because, like ND, I’d guess most couch it in vague “rules” violations - but it doesn’t seem like it.

It is not up to schools or conferences to determine punishment for NCAA tests but they are able to determine it for school administered tests. Which again is the reason schools test so they get players clean with lesser punishments before the NCAA tests them. Our first strike for weed is just probation, so its likely there are even more players on the team who have tested positive that we never even find out about. IIRC, the athletics department doesn't even tell the coach about the first violation and never tells them the specific drug if the player is suspended.

And while the NCAA might say they only test for pot at championship events, it is still in the rules that they can test at any time. So if some team lets it be known that they aren't testing for pot anymore, the NCAA could step in and test for it on that team more often.
 

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It is not up to schools or conferences to determine punishment for NCAA tests but they are able to determine it for school administered tests. Which again is the reason schools test so they get players clean with lesser punishments before the NCAA tests them. Our first strike for weed is just probation, so its likely there are even more players on the team who have tested positive that we never even find out about. IIRC, the athletics department doesn't even tell the coach about the first violation and never tells them the specific drug if the player is suspended.

And while the NCAA might say they only test for pot at championship events, it is still in the rules that they can test at any time. So if some team lets it be known that they aren't testing for pot anymore, the NCAA could step in and test for it on that team more often.

OK. But are we aware of other programs that routinely suspend prominent players for multiple games over pot? Because we're suspending about one starter per season the last few years.

And since I've no reason to believe Notre Dame has a bigger pot problem than most schools (probably less of one), that feels like a self-inflicted penalty (though less of one than it used to be when guys got tossed from the program entirely).
 

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OK. But are we aware of other programs that routinely suspend prominent players for multiple games over pot? Because we're suspending about one starter per season the last few years.

And since I've no reason to believe Notre Dame has a bigger pot problem than most schools (probably less of one), that feels like a self-inflicted penalty (though less of one than it used to be when guys got tossed from the program entirely).

At the same time, the players know exactly what the deal is when they sign up for ND. The school and the recruiters from other schools make them well-aware. Most of them choose ND because it's a little different. So whether or not its ultimately a big deal for a 19 year old to be using recreational drugs, they should be able to put the pipe down for a little while. If they can't, maybe they do have an issue.
 

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Any update on his status? I feel like the noise around him has been awfully quiet recently. Was expecting him to be brought up to Kelly by the media in this week's presser
 

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Any update on his status? I feel like the noise around him has been awfully quiet recently. Was expecting him to be brought up to Kelly by the media in this week's presser

I expect the first question about him to be the pre-Bowling Green presser. The question will be if Kelly expects Austin to be available for the Bowling Green game. If the answer is yes, it was a four game suspension and he might be impactful. If the answer is no, he's probably out for the season like II reported back in August.
 
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I expect the first question about him to be the pre-Bowling Green presser. The question will be if Kelly expects Austin to be available for the Bowling Green game. If the answer is yes, it was a four game suspension and he might be impactful. If the answer is no, he's probably out for the season like II reported back in August.

Do you think any of the reporters will have the stones to ask?
 

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Do you think any of the reporters will have the stones to ask?

Yeah, but it will be a bland "Any update on Austin's availability?" that Kelly can punt or not. I don't expect Kelly to be too hard on that question, since I'm sure he knows what the rumors are.
 

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Yeah, but it will be a bland "Any update on Austin's availability?" that Kelly can punt or not. I don't expect Kelly to be too hard on that question, since I'm sure he knows what the rumors are.

Won't the depth chart tip the hand here or do we not expect him to be on it either way?
 
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