'18 CA WR Amon-Ra St. Brown (USC Verbal)

[irishandy]

I trust Polian a hell of a lot more with this recruitment then I would Del Alexander.

Imagine if Todd Lyght was recruiting ASB, fck Mr. All World Super Dad would break his back like Bane did to Batman

Polian reminds me of Alford, I think 24/7 sports had an article a couple of weeks ago that ESB is getting a better relationship with Del Alexander.

Batman did come back to beat Bane...but I agree with you, I am glad that Todd Lyght is not recruiting ASB.

 

[AKRowdy]

I trust Polian a hell of a lot more with this recruitment then I would Del Alexander.

Imagine if Todd Lyght was recruiting ASB, fck Mr. All World Super Dad would break his back like Bane did to Batman

I understand secondary play has been iffy the past couple of years and same with the secondary recruiting, but what has been said about Lyght's recruiting and his relationship with recruits? Just wondering.

 

[GBdomer]

I understand secondary play has been iffy the past couple of years and same with the secondary recruiting, but what has been said about Lyght's recruiting and his relationship with recruits? Just wondering.

There really isn't a nice way to put it man. How about that?

 

[dublinirish]

I'd like to see Harry get involved with more recruits. Seems he gets the ones he wants.

HH would need a cellphone for that first.

 

[IrishLion]

I understand secondary play has been iffy the past couple of years and same with the secondary recruiting, but what has been said about Lyght's recruiting and his relationship with recruits? Just wondering.

There really isn't a nice way to put it man. How about that?

It's not THAT dramatic. He and BK butted heads one time while visiting Thomas Graham, and that is supposedly the reason he flipped from ND to Oregon.

The bigger thing is that he just doesn't have the personality required to land most of the high-profile kids. He doesn't give in to the whole "entertain the potential diva" thing. He's strictly about his business and coaching the position.

He would really appeal to a kid with a dad that played DB in the NFL, but those are few and far between.

 

[Irish#1]

It's not THAT dramatic. He and BK butted heads one time while visiting Thomas Graham, and that is supposedly the reason he flipped from ND to Oregon.

The bigger thing is that he just doesn't have the personality required to land most of the high-profile kids. He doesn't give in to the whole "entertain the potential diva" thing. He's strictly about his business and coaching the position.

He would really appeal to a kid with a dad that played DB in the NFL, but those are few and far between.

Another way of saying, "He's old school."

 

[dublinirish]

Another way of saying, "He's old school."

Or out of touch/a dinosaur/somebody who guests on a Mike Frank ISD podcast

 

[IrishLion]

Another way of saying, "He's old school."

 

[IrishLion]

Or out of touch/a dinosaur/somebody who guests on a Mike Frank ISD podcast

Right. There's nothing *wrong* with being old school, as long as someone is there to pick up the recruiting slack and entertain the kids with big personalities.

But if he's going to be "out of touch" with what kids want to hear, you have to decide if his value as an on-field position coach eclipses the issues that creates with signing big-name corners.

 

[dublinirish]

Right. There's nothing *wrong* with being old school, as long as someone is there to pick up the recruiting slack and entertain the kids with big personalities.

But if he's going to be "out of touch" with what kids want to hear, you have to decide if his value as an on-field position coach eclipses the issues that creates with signing big-name corners.

He'd have to be coaching DB's at a Nick Saban level to even the scales with his inability to connect with kids in recruiting.

in elite CFB recruiting is way more important than coaching. You think Dabo Swinney knows anything about coaching football? I doubt it

 

[IrishLion]

He'd have to be coaching DB's at a Nick Saban level to even the scales with his inability to connect with kids in recruiting.

in elite CFB recruiting is way more important than coaching. You think Dabo Swinney knows anything about coaching football? I doubt it

You're telling me that BYOG isn't elite coaching?!?!?

 

[Irish#1]

You're telling me that BYOG isn't elite coaching?!?!?

LOL.........I suspect Dabo is a pretty good coach even if he's a rah rah guy.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'm willing to give Lyght another year with a functional defensive scheme/coordinator. Weren't Lyght's meeting rooms all sorts of jacked up because of BVG? I heard something crazy about not being able to meet by themselves or some other crazy ish.

Let's see how Lyght coaches up the talent now that we have, what appears to be, a functional defense being implemented.

 

[BobbyMac]

He'd have to be coaching DB's at a Nick Saban level to even the scales with his inability to connect with kids in recruiting.

in elite CFB recruiting is way more important than coaching. You think Dabo Swinney knows anything about coaching football? I doubt it

That's literally the worst example you could have come up with. Dabo coached a team with less talent than ND to back to back wins over the #1 and #2 most talented teams per avg player rating.

2016 College Football Team Talent Composite

 

[dublinirish]

That's literally the worst example you could have come up with. Dabo coached a team with less talent than ND to back to back wins over the #1 and #2 most talented teams per avg player rating.

2016 College Football Team Talent Composite

he's not a technical coach though. he recruits and lets his coordinators do their thing. he's a terrible game manager.

 

[woolybug25]

he's not a technical coach though. he recruits and lets his coordinators do their thing. he's a terrible game manager.

Doesn't hurt that he has the best defensive coordinator in the game.

I agree. I have never seen Dabo as a good coach in the traditional sense. He's a hell of a recruiter, manages his staff well and gets his team jacked to play ball games. Which makes him an excellent head coach, but not a good "coach". If that at all makes sense.

 

[IrishLion]

Doesn't hurt that he has the best defensive coordinator in the game.

I agree. I have never seen Dabo as a good coach in the traditional sense. He's a hell of a recruiter, manages his staff well and gets his team jacked to play ball games. Which makes him an excellent head coach, but not a good "coach". If that at all makes sense.

It absolutely does. Some HC's make their name with their X's and O's expertise, like BK.

Some make their name as true CEO's, because they know how to build a staff and motivate a program, regardless of their technical knowledge.

 

[EddytoNow]

It's too early to effectively evaluate Lyght's ability to recruit and coach defensive backs. He has been limited due to the lack of talent he's had to coach, injuries to potential starters, and the underachievement of key recruits, like Redfield. Last year a very young secondary showed some positive signs. Those players should get better each year. If they don't then Lyght should go. If they do get better, Lyght should be given some credit for their development.

All of this criticism of Lyght stems from his seeming lack of ability to convince 17-year old kids that they should come to Notre Dame where they will have to work hard in the classroom as well as on the football field. At 17 years of age, who are you going to believe, the guy who honestly lays out the value of a first-rate education and a chance to play in the NFL someday or the guy who tells you that you are a can't miss NFL player and you don't have to be bothered with completing your college education?

 

[Luckylucci]

He'd have to be coaching DB's at a Nick Saban level to even the scales with his inability to connect with kids in recruiting.

in elite CFB recruiting is way more important than coaching. You think Dabo Swinney knows anything about coaching football? I doubt it

I don't agree with this statement at all. Too many examples of teams like Washington/Wisconsin playing well above recruiting rankings and teams like FSU and USC not living up to theirs.

It's probably more of talent evaluation than just pure recruiting prowess.

 

[Luckylucci]

That's literally the worst example you could have come up with. Dabo coached a team with less talent than ND to back to back wins over the #1 and #2 most talented teams per avg player rating.

2016 College Football Team Talent Composite

Yea, Clemson's recruiting prowess has been something that's fairly new, at least at that "elite" level. It's actually quite interesting to note the make-up of their previous teams that got them to this level. It's probably exactly what ND will ultimately have to do. A few key high profile players, with a lot of underrated players mixed in.

 

[BeauBenken]

Yea, Clemson's recruiting prowess has been something that's fairly new, at least at that "elite" level. It's actually quite interesting to note the make-up of their previous teams that got them to this level. It's probably exactly what ND will ultimately have to do. A few key high profile players, with a lot of underrated players mixed in.

Keep in mind, Clemson was routinely thought to be paying players, hence not recruiting exceptionally except for a few high key players per class.

 

[koonja]

Doesn't Clemson take on a lot of highly rated JUCOs that don't show on recruit rankings?

 

[BobbyMac]

he's not a technical coach though. he recruits and lets his coordinators do their thing. he's a terrible game manager.

It absolutely does. Some HC's make their name with their X's and O's expertise, like BK.

Some make their name as true CEO's, because they know how to build a staff and motivate a program, regardless of their technical knowledge.

Please stop. Both of you.

 

[IrishLion]

Please stop. Both of you.

Not saying Dabo isn't an intelligent coach with plenty of X's and O's knowledge.

But he's made his money on hiring coordinators and motivating his team. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[BobbyMac]

Not saying Dabo isn't an intelligent coach with plenty of X's and O's knowledge.

But he's made his money on hiring coordinators and motivating his team. Nothing wrong with that.

I apologize for quoting you. I misread the part about BK making a name with X's & O's. (which he did)

 

[NDohio]

 

[dublinirish]

nobody said he's an idiot but he's hardly an X's and O's style of coach. His talent is ability to recruit first and foremost and he's a poster child for this form of head coaching in CFB.

 

[NDohio]

nobody said he's an idiot but he's hardly an X's and O's style of coach. His talent is ability to recruit first and foremost and he's a poster child for this form of head coaching in CFB.

Down here in good ole SC a lot of people like to make fun of Dabo for the very reasons that are being expressed here. The meme is just an ongoing joke...

 

[Luckylucci]

Clemson's classes since 2012 cycle.

2012- class ranked 20th. With 21 players that avg. 87.89
2013- class ranked 15th with 23 players that avg. 88.46
2014- class ranked 17th with 21 players that avg. 87.78
2015- class ranked 9th with 26 players that avg. 89.19
2016- class ranked 11th with 21 players that avg. 90.30
2017- 16th with 14 players that avg. 92.09

So they've only had an avg player rating over 90 twice in the last 6 classes. They've had only 1 top 10 finish, would've been 2 if they brought in more players last year, as a 92.09 avg player rating is quite good. Overall, that's not elite recruiting, at all. They have a good balance of player development, recruiting prowess (a few high profile players each class), and talent evaluation.

 

[dwshade]

Two things I know about Dabo. One he's always been a very good WR coach which is the position he coached as an assistant. Two his players love playing for him. Whatever he's doing is working.