'17 TX ATH Saiid Adebo (Stanford Signee)

[Luckylucci]

Might be a better question for the master list thread, but do you think that if nd continues to lose (which is sadly probable) this class will implode? Haven't really heard about anybody not being solid, other than maybe pouncey, but a sub .500 year could change people's minds.

I've noticed that recently we've been pretty good at keeping commits on board, with a very small number of defections. It's a big contrast to the earlier years of kelly-era recruiting, when recruits like darby and greenberry come to mind. It seemed like those classes inevitably fell apart after the season.

This has been touched on before but post 2014 class. The staff realized that they had to change the type of player/prospect they were going after. Instead of trying to sell players, that weren't a fit, on the university. They started to come to terms with not being in some recruitments. They started to focus on the players/prospects, that really wanted to be at ND and not just for football. That's worked, at least so far. We've seen better retention of recruits. However, we haven't seen this poor of a performance under Kelly, so we shall see how it holds up now.

So far, we've seen (at least publicly), really good feedback from the committed players in 17' and 18' classes. Heck a few of the 2018 players, Bauer included, said that they would sign now, if there was an early signing period.

 

[fightingirish26]

Or maybe the question is will there be enough room for recruits that see ND as a place they can come in and compete with guys who aren't that far ahead of them on the experience curve? Like anything else you can sell, there are features and benefits to every product/service/situation. All it takes is a better tailored presentation than the other programs. I'd love to be out on the road selling spots at ND right now.

Can't believe a DE isn't looking at ND and saying, "wow, i can step foot on campus and be the man." I mean, it isn't like maccalister is scaring anybody off. No disrespect, but it's really, really worrying that he's our only de commit

 

[BobbyMac]

Can't believe a DE isn't looking at ND and saying, "wow, i can step foot on campus and be the man." I mean, it isn't like maccalister is scaring anybody off. No disrespect, but it's really, really worrying that he's our only de commit

But there aren't a lot of guys who can seriously think they'd be the man with Hayes here. The list is extremely short to non-existent on who I would expect to come in next year as a true freshman and take Daelin's snaps.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Can't believe a DE isn't looking at ND and saying, "wow, i can step foot on campus and be the man." I mean, it isn't like maccalister is scaring anybody off. No disrespect, but it's really, really worrying that he's our only de commit

Crusader has mentioned before that Hayes already has the WDE spot locked down for the next two years, so it's basically up to SDEs, which might be Jeter. 2018 though would be the class to push the big game pass rushers to commit. "Hey, come in and rotate with Daelin for a year to protect you from being overwhelmed while transitioning to college, and then be the man for 2 years"

 

[fightingirish26]

But there aren't a lot of guys who can seriously think they'd be the man with Hayes here. The list is extremely short to non-existent on who I would expect to come in next year as a true freshman and take Daelin's snaps.

tbf, daelin hasn't been playing like lynch as a freshman, he still has a lot of developing to do.

 

[BobbyMac]

tbf, daelin hasn't been playing like lynch as a freshman, he still has a lot of developing to do.

Of course and he shouldn't be. Lynch was a better pure DE at that time AND had 3 different tier players next to him on that line. DH was an OLB who was more likely to cover a WR downfield than to have a hand in the dirt and go after the QB.

But he's a 5 star plus physical prospect that has had limited snaps in HS because of injuries and transfers. He will master this and when the CB's can give him an extra count or two, DH is the man to collect coverage sacks because of his athleticism. Also, if ND goes back to a 3-4, you will see him at his perfect position. If he stays healthy and gets just adequate coaching, the sky's the limit for him on Saturdays and Sundays.

 

[fightingirish26]

Of course and he shouldn't be. Lynch was a better pure DE at that time AND had 3 different tier players next to him on that line. DH was an OLB who was more likely to cover a WR downfield than to have a hand in the dirt and go after the QB.

But he's a 5 star plus physical prospect that has had limited snaps in HS because of injuries and transfers. He will master this and when the CB's can give him an extra count or two, DH is the man to collect coverage sacks because of his athleticism. Also, if ND goes back to a 3-4, you will see him at his perfect position. If he stays healthy and gets just adequate coaching, the sky's the limit for him on Saturdays and Sundays.

I completely agree, i think he'll be great next year and on. I just don't personally think that an unproven true freshman should be scaring off WDE recruits. But it's possible.

 

[BobbyMac]

I completely agree, i think he'll be great next year and on. I just don't personally think that an unproven true freshman should be scaring off WDE recruits. But it's possible.

Not scaring off. I just think that there's an incoming freshman out there that could come in and start at every position on ND's D next year except WDE and MLB.

 

[Luckylucci]

I completely agree, i think he'll be great next year and on. I just don't personally think that an unproven true freshman should be scaring off WDE recruits. But it's possible.

IMO, I don't think Hayes is scaring anyone off. I think that the staff is comfortable with a rotation, heading into next year, of Trumbetti, Hayes, Okwara, at WDE/ROLB. 2 of those guys have 3 years, not including this year, of eligibility left. I think they took the approach to this class, that they have in the past, DT last year, that they are going to bring in top tier talent at that position or nobody at all.

I don't agree with that decision. I would have loved to see them go after a few WDE's that we initially did and stopped recruiting or never did at all. I just don't think the staff cast a wide enough net, and partially because they didn't want to. So to me, the discussion should be, should we be looking for a WDE regardless of his immediate benefit to the team? Do we have space for another project WDE? As that's obviously how the staff feels.

With that said, I think Hayes will turn out to be a stud, if he's healthy.

 

[fightingirish26]

Not scaring off. I just think that there's an incoming freshman out there that could come in and start at every position on ND's D next year except WDE and MLB.

IMO, I don't think Hayes is scaring anyone off. I think that the staff is comfortable with a rotation, heading into next year, of Trumbetti, Hayes, Okwara, at WDE/ROLB. 2 of those guys have 3 years, not including this year, of eligibility left. I think they took the approach to this class, that they have in the past, DT last year, that they are going to bring in top tier talent at that position or nobody at all.

I don't agree with that decision. I would have loved to see them go after a few WDE's that we initially did and stopped recruiting or never did at all. I just don't think the staff cast a wide enough net, and partially because they didn't want to. So to me, the discussion should be, should we be looking for a WDE regardless of his immediate benefit to the team? Do we have space for another project WDE? As that's obviously how the staff feels.

With that said, I think Hayes will turn out to be a stud, if he's healthy.

I see what you guys are saying. I agree that its a questionable decision, especially considering we have like 3 sacks this year, 2 of them from our mlb. Take all the pass rushers we can get.

 

[bluengold4732]

They don't tend to recruit WDE well at all. Main reason why we struggle with pass rush and should go back to 3-4. We basically play with 4 DT's and Hayes and Okwara could be good as Rush LB's. Plus you don't have to bulk them up to 260-270 and lose speed. The extra 15 pounds seemed to kill Trumbetti's burst

 

[fightingirish26]

They don't tend to recruit WDE well at all. Main reason why we struggle with pass rush and should go back to 3-4. We basically play with 4 DT's and Hayes and Okwara could be good as Rush LB's. Plus you don't have to bulk them up to 260-270 and lose speed. The extra 15 pounds seemed to kill Trumbetti's burst

Actually, if i remember correctly, we had KLM and Tuitt as two 300lb DE's. It would just be the rush lb who could stay slimmer, but then you have him in coverage even more often than BVG had dlinemen in coverage. I go back and forth on how I feel about this. I think it all comes down to how we develop. Trumbetti was developed rather poorly it seems, not sure if it's the extra 15 pounds' fault or not.

 

[Luckylucci]

They don't tend to recruit WDE well at all. Main reason why we struggle with pass rush and should go back to 3-4. We basically play with 4 DT's and Hayes and Okwara could be good as Rush LB's. Plus you don't have to bulk them up to 260-270 and lose speed. The extra 15 pounds seemed to kill Trumbetti's burst

Again, this isn't necessarily true, or true at all. In 2014 we signed Trumbetti, Williams, and Hill. 2015, we signed Bo Wallace. 2016 was Okwara and Hayes. So over the last 3 cycles, we signed 6 players or 2/cycle at WDE. Now if you want to say we didn't eval well, or find the right fits. Then I'd agree, but we certainly tried to recruit the position.

Lastly, and all ND fans should know this by now. Diaco's 3-4, the last 3-4 ND has run, consistently. Played out of a 4-3 alignment, roughly, 40-50% of the time. So, ROLB's and 4-3 WDE's usually have the same traits and are similar players.

 

[bluengold4732]

Again, this isn't necessarily true, or true at all. In 2014 we signed Trumbetti, Williams, and Hill. 2015, we signed Bo Wallace. 2016 was Okwara and Hayes. So over the last 3 cycles, we signed 6 players or 2/cycle at WDE. Now if you want to say we didn't eval well, or find the right fits. Then I'd agree, but we certainly tried to recruit the position.

Lastly, and all ND fans should know this by now. Diaco's 3-4, the last 3-4 ND has run, consistently. Played out of a 4-3 alignment, roughly, 40-50% of the time. So, ROLB's and 4-3 WDE's usually have the same traits and are similar players.

3 of those guys are no longer on the roster. Hill was 6'1 230...not traits of a 4-3 DE and Williams was more SDE not WDE. Daelin was a LB who grew into and is still growing into a WDE. So you have the Okwaras and Trumbetti. 6 classes with 3 true WDE would conclude we don't recruit the position well. As far 3-4 OLB and 4-3 WDE...similar attributes yes, similar players to an extent but they're players better suited for one or the other. It might not seem like a big deal but some DEs are better with their hand in the grown, others standing up right, playing in space. The fact is the base defense was 3-4 which with this current roster I think better suits the defense but that's just my opinion.

 

[PANDFAN]

tcu writer put in a cb to tcu...wiltfong will check on this to find out why

 

[IrishLion]

tcu writer put in a cb to tcu...wiltfong will check on this to find out why

Probably looked at ND's remaining schedule, and is taking a shot in the dark after realizing we'll probably win 5 games at most.

 

[PANDFAN]

Probably looked at ND's remaining schedule, and is taking a shot in the dark after realizing we'll probably win 5 games at most.

the tcu guy said it was just "his gut feeling"

 

[bluengold4732]

Made a jump in updated Rivals250 now a 4*

 

[BobbyMac]

Made a jump in updated Rivals250 now a 4*

Where did you see that? Seems like they aren't updating everything across the board.

 

[bluengold4732]

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/hicks-jumps-in-latest-rivals250-joins-four-other-irish-commits
On the commit list he was still listed a 3* but he has a 5.8 rating which implies that he has the 4th * and but he's outside the 250 now.

 

[BobbyMac]

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/hicks-jumps-in-latest-rivals250-joins-four-other-irish-commits
On the commit list he was still listed a 3* but he has a 5.8 rating which implies that he has the 4th * and but he's outside the 250 now.

Thanks. They've been all over the place updating R&R's today. They don't seem to have built their database properly.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Just posted on 247. Adebo stated that he has been contacted by Texas, Baylor and other Texas schools lately but he tells them he's firm with ND and that nothing will change that. Adebo stated he speaks with Lyght daily and has recently been speaking to Elko. Interesting note : Adebo will be playing WR at UA AA but will be playing corner at ND.

 

[BGIF]

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/hicks-jumps-in-latest-rivals250-joins-four-other-irish-commits
On the commit list he was still listed a 3* but he has a 5.8 rating which implies that he has the 4th * and but he's outside the 250 now.

On Rivals Commit List and Profile, Adebo's shown as 4*, 5.8 rating. He's still not listed in the 250.

https://notredame.rivals.com/commitments/football/2017


Addendum:
The highest corner in the Top 250 is #22 CB , Amir Riep DB Cincinnati, OH Colerain 6'0" 180. Adebo's listed as the #30 CB which probably doesn't get him in the Top 300.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Just posted on 247. Adebo stated that he has been contacted by Texas, Baylor and other Texas schools lately but he tells them he's firm with ND and that nothing will change that. Adebo stated he speaks with Lyght daily and has recently been speaking to Elko. Interesting note : Adebo will be playing WR at UA AA but will be playing corner at ND.

UA AA I believe is still an ESPN game correct?

If still true I know ESPN loves his upside at WR. They think he could be a good CB, but an elite WR.

Remember UA AA and ESPN had Folston playing CB. I often wondering how Folstons career would have turned out being a DB. He did not have the elite speed of a RB, but he sure had the vision and jump cut ability.


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[arrowryan]

He's going to be one hell of a player in South Bend.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

UA AA I believe is still an ESPN game correct?

If still true I know ESPN loves his upside at WR. They think he could be a good CB, but an elite WR.

Remember UA AA and ESPN had Folston playing CB. I often wondering how Folstons career would have turned out being a DB. He did not have the elite speed of a RB, but he sure had the vision and jump cut ability.


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Interesting about Folston. Didn't know that. He certainly never had break away speed. Was very elusive pre injury but didn't seem to trust his knee after. I could see him being a good corner or maybe nickel. We'll never know. Re Adebo, Two-way HS players seem to come with a few more intangibles often, especially DB's who played WR or QB in high school. They seem to sniff things out a little more naturally.

 

[GBdomer]

Just posted on 247. Adebo stated that he has been contacted by Texas, Baylor and other Texas schools lately but he tells them he's firm with ND and that nothing will change that. Adebo stated he speaks with Lyght daily and has recently been speaking to Elko. Interesting note : Adebo will be playing WR at UA AA but will be playing corner at ND.

Make sure you provide a link or you will be sent to Chile

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Make sure you provide a link or you will be sent to Chile

Oh an actual link hey? I thought just stating where it was from was enough. I always make sure to not make word for word quotes either. Just a summary. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[BGIF]

Make sure you provide a link or you will be sent to Chile

Hyperbole!

It was a weekend in Duluth.

 

[dublinirish]

UA AA I believe is still an ESPN game correct?

If still true I know ESPN loves his upside at WR. They think he could be a good CB, but an elite WR.

Remember UA AA and ESPN had Folston playing CB. I often wondering how Folstons career would have turned out being a DB. He did not have the elite speed of a RB, but he sure had the vision and jump cut ability.


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you are confused. it was george atkinson who played CB in the UA game.