'17 CT WR Tarik Black (Michigan Verbal)

[koonja]

Classic.

Who is the #1 TE to you?

And please prove it.

 

[Henges24]

Returning production is only part of it. Next years group will be very talented. Austin and Johnson are the two highest rated WR’s of the BK era.

This.

But catches the previous season is the only true determination when it comes talent and production. Duh.

Koon is just enjoying his final couple months on the board.

 

[koonja]

This.

But catches the previous season is the only true determination when it comes talent and production. Duh.

Yeah, 30 total returning catches is NBD. Austin and Johnson have never played CFB but they'll be day 1 #1s.

Lenzy is going to really work on endurance this off season so he doesn't get tired with his .9 catches per game.

Returning production is irrelevant. There's no way Black would beat out Joe Wilkins.

 

[dad4aa]

Who is the #1 TE to you?

And please prove it.

This.

But catches the previous season is the only true determination when it comes talent and production. Duh.

Koon is just enjoying his final couple months on the board.

Notice he can say anyone he wants is #1 but you have to PROVE it.

He says Black would be ND’s #1 but he was low enough on scUM’s team to transfer. We must suck at WR to take their leftovers.

Henges I really hope you speak the truth.

 

[koonja]

Notice he can say anyone he wants is #1 but you have to PROVE it.

He says Black would be ND’s #1 but he was low enough on scUM’s team to transfer. We must suck at WR to take their leftovers.

Henges I really hope you speak the truth.

You missed the mark of my comment again. My point was nobody knows for sure who the #1 TE picked will be.

I think it's K met. He doesn't. Both are fine answers since no one knows for sure. Stay itchy my friend.

 

[Irish YJ]

Who is the #1 TE to you?

And please prove it.

I'm pretty sure KMET is the first TE taken.

Can't prove that. It's a draft and it's in April.

 

[koonja]

I think the more clever posters realize the "and please prove it" was tongue in cheek.

I've been painfully clear no one KNOWS who the #1 TE will be, it's all opinions until April.

My opinion is Kmet is the #1 TE. Itch away.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Who is the #1 TE to you?

And please prove it.

I don't have a clear cut #1

I think any of the following could be the first taken, depending on the team that is selecting:

- Hunter Bryant (who is minimally less athletic than Evan Engram, but is a better blocker)
- Albert Okwuegbunam (really athletic, best speed at TE in the draft)
- Jared Pinkney
- Brycen Hopkins

I personally think that none of these guys (Kmet included) would be a sure fire first round selection, most would be mid 2nd round at best. When you are looking at the offensive side of the ball this year, there are arguably 10 pass catchers that would be better than any other TE's above. Then you have RB's (Swift / Taylor / Dobbins / Etienne) and then, of coarse, OL. Point is, if some team is going to take a non-QB offensive player, probably would not be an early TE as there are so many other more talented players. It will take a special situation IMO, so no TE jumps out as being can't miss.

 

[Irish YJ]

I think the more clever posters realize the "and please prove it" was tongue in cheek.

I've been painfully clear no one KNOWS who the #1 TE will be, it's all opinions until April.

My opinion is Kmet is the #1 TE. Itch away.

I'm guessing you had little awareness of the current crop of TEs to even gauge how Kmet stacks up, and have formed your opinion mostly, or even purely based on the Athletic article. At least that's kind of how is looks. If you are aware of the crop of talent, what makes Kmet the #1 over some of those guys?

Like I said, Kmet is my favorite, but that's because I'm a ND homer and really haven't watched any of the other closely (except for the one from PU). But stat wise, it's definitely not an obvious #1 type of argument/situation.

 

[Irish YJ]

I don't have a clear cut #1

I think any of the following could be the first taken, depending on the team that is selecting:

- Hunter Bryant (who is minimally less athletic than Evan Engram, but is a better blocker)
- Albert Okwuegbunam (really athletic, best speed at TE in the draft)
- Jared Pinkney
- Brycen Hopkins

I personally think that none of these guys (Kmet included) would be a sure fire first round selection, most would be mid 2nd round at best. When you are looking at the offensive side of the ball this year, there are arguably 10 pass catchers that would be better than any other TE's above. Then you have RB's (Swift / Taylor / Dobbins / Etienne) and then, of coarse, OL. Point is, if some team is going to take a non-QB offensive player, probably would not be an early TE as there are so many other more talented players. It will take a special situation IMO, so no TE jumps out as being can't miss.

What leads you to say Okwu is the fastest? All the projections I've seen have him around 4.7, and several of the others I've seen are project 4.6s.

 

[Ndaccountant]

What leads you to say Okwu is the fastest? All the projections I've seen have him around 4.7, and several of the others I've seen are project 4.6s.

That was from the fall, pre-season stuff. I recall reading at the time, some scouts said they had him in the 4.5's, not 4.7's. Combine will settle that one.

 

[Irish YJ]

That was from the fall, pre-season stuff. I recall reading at the time, some scouts said they had him in the 4.5's, not 4.7's. Combine will settle that one.

4.5s would be great at that size.

 

[BobbyMac]

Surprised no one is mentioning ISU's Charlie Kolar on their TE lists.

He's draft eligible and one of the top TE's statistically in the country.

Hard to believe OU let him leave town. Had 66 rec/1250 yds/12 TD's his Sr. year at Norman North HS in '17..

Good thing ND landed the #1 & #3 TE's in 2017 because Kolar's mom played volleyball at ND.

 

[Irish#1]

Koon turns the Black thread into a debate about Kmet leaving. Surprise!

 

[irishnd31]

Koon turns the Black thread into a debate about Kmet leaving. Surprise!

 

[dublinirish]

transferring to Texas

 

[rtrn2glory]

A lot of hype after a good freshmen year. Never really lived up

 

[BobbyMac]

A lot of hype after a good freshmen year. Never really lived up

Black's the guy that broke each foot during his Fr & So years. Only played 3-4 games each season. Was a starter as a freshman.

Last year he was 4th or 5th in production and everyone is back except for Peoples-Jones. Apparently didn't agree with Jimmy's depth chart.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Black's the guy that broke each foot during his Fr & So years. Only played 3-4 games each season. Was a starter as a freshman.

Last year he was 4th or 5th in production and everyone is back except for Peoples-Jones. Apparently didn't agree with Jimmy's depth chart.

Yep. Injuries derailed a good start to his career.

 

[irishandy]

Wasn't he a teammate of CJ Holmes??

I thought at one point he was considered a silent commit to ND.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Wasn't he a teammate of CJ Holmes??

I thought at one point he was considered a silent commit to ND.

Yes high school teammate of CJ Holmes. I don't know about the silent ND commit.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Black's the guy that broke each foot during his Fr & So years. Only played 3-4 games each season. Was a starter as a freshman.

Last year he was 4th or 5th in production and everyone is back except for Peoples-Jones. Apparently didn't agree with Jimmy's depth chart.

That game still makes me vomit.... Probably the most disappointing performance in the Kelly tenure

 

[zelezo vlk]

Yes high school teammate of CJ Holmes. I don't know about the silent ND commit.

Pretty sure he was, and people were not correct about that. I believe ISD nixed that almost immediately

 

[dublinirish]

transferring to Texas

listed as a week 1 starter versus UTEP

https://247sports.com/college/michi...4b9O68VAEyE9FLdX5roxBguuMLfun9CXDbLRpM0XpATsQ

 

[texbender]

Should do well with the UT QB.