'15 NJ QB Brandon Wimbush (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[Rack Em]

Hopefully his lasik surgery will help him be the quarterback we thought he would be. Interested to see if his vision problems were a big cause of the over/under throws.

The Tommy Pham syndrome

 

[IrishLax]

The Tommy Pham syndrome

More like Ricky Vaughn.

 

[dublinirish]

every single ND football player should be evaluated and given Lasik surgery if required as soon as they get on campus. I remember the English rugby team had this stipulation for their players during their World cup winning era 2001-2003. It makes sense.

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

If his vision was problem, then I’m looking foward to what we have. But he won’t have a long leash

 

[koonja]

Lasik isn't going to fix his problems guys. They're not trotting him out there blind, he's been wearing contacts I'm sure. His problems may hopefully be fixed in 2018, but it won't be because of Lasik.

 

[Irish#1]

Lasik isn't going to fix his problems guys. They're not trotting him out there blind, he's been wearing contacts I'm sure. His problems may hopefully be fixed in 2018, but it won't be because of Lasik.

Agree. His hesitation to throw the ball isn't because of his vision.

 

[Rack Em]

More like Ricky Vaughn.

Pham got corrective surgery. Vaughn got glasses. If Brandon Wimbush trots out for the 1st snap of the '18 season with some sweet ass Rec Specs circa 1993, then you win. But until then...

Rack 1
Lax -5

 

[Irish YJ]

IDK. Not saying it was his problem, but I'm not going to rule it out either. My best bud got the surgery in his early 20s and his performance in several sports took a big jump. He had worn glasses and contacts up until then and was already a great athlete, but getting the surgery game him a pretty damn big boost. It was early (early 90s) form of the surgery too, and I hear it's much much better now.

 

[snoopdog]

Yikes....an excuse not to make a change....I always get frustrated reading excuses why player x couldn't perform to expectations.

Hopefully the qb position is wide open and may the best player play. I would hate to see..... ok BW is the starter until we know it wasn't a vision issue.

 

[dublinirish]

7 Pro Athletes Who Had Monster Seasons Immediately After Getting LASIK | STACK

 

[snoopdog]

7 Pro Athletes Who Had Monster Seasons Immediately After Getting LASIK | STACK

That link is basically an advertisement.

7 great athletes who were still great athletes after lasik

case in point....tiger woods went from 8 pga wins to 9 pga wins after lasik.....ummm it wasn't the lasik

 

[ACamp1900]

That link is basically an advertisement.

7 great athletes who were still great athletes after lasik

case in point....tiger woods went from 8 pga wins to 9 pga wins after lasik.....ummm it wasn't the lasik

Yeah but it was probably around that time where he finally saw he was banging an bunch of crack whores.....

 

[ab2cmiller]

Didn't notice any QB's in that list.

 

[pumpdog20]

Lasik isn't going to fix his problems guys. They're not trotting him out there blind, he's been wearing contacts I'm sure. His problems may hopefully be fixed in 2018, but it won't be because of Lasik.

True, but maybe it'll help with the headaches/migraines that could have been effecting his preparation/play.

 

[T Town Tommy]

True, but maybe it'll help with the headaches/migraines that could have been effecting his preparation/play.

Maybe so. But it isn't going to fix his footwork - which was one main reason for all the errant throws this past season. Nor will it fix his release - which was probably reason # 2 for his inaccuracy.

 

[koonja]

Maybe so. But it isn't going to fix his footwork - which was one main reason for all the errant throws this past season. Nor will it fix his release - which was probably reason # 2 for his inaccuracy.

Or his ability to read and look off a defense. Like that Hawaiian QB for Bama did as a FRESHMAN in his first start to win the national championship game.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Or his ability to read and look off a defense. Like that Hawaiian QB for Bama did as a FRESHMAN in his first start to win the national championship game.

Maybe not a good comparison koon. Tua made a throw that won't get made 75% of the time in college... including by Tua himself. Looking off the safety in a Tampa 2 based defense isn't rocket science and hard to learn. Doing it at THAT moment and completing the pass is what made it impressive. Plus, the playcall was perfect given the circumstances. Can't say that was always the case last season for BW. A year of good coaching should help BW tremendously. Remember, this was his first year as a starter. Yes he has a lot of work in front of him, but I will be cheering for him to succeed nonetheless.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Maybe so. But it isn't going to fix his footwork - which was one main reason for all the errant throws this past season. Nor will it fix his release - which was probably reason # 2 for his inaccuracy.

Nor will it fix his decision making and overall mental makeup to be a leader, put bad plays behind him, rally the troops. The IT factor and he doesn’t have it. Dayne Cryst didn’t have it and never gained it.

Ian Book has IT. He has the ability to have a short memory. The ability to lead his team and rally the troops. Whatever it is I believe Book has it.


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[IrishLax]

Nor will it fix his decision making and overall mental makeup to be a leader, put bad plays behind him, rally the troops. The IT factor and he doesn’t have it. Dayne Cryst didn’t have it and never gained it.

Ian Book has IT. He has the ability to have a short memory. The ability to lead his team and rally the troops. Whatever it is I believe Book has it.


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People are looking at one half of one game (where he also made some bad mistakes, too) and thinking that he's going to consistently play at that level for a whole season. That's quite the extrapolation. That'd be like looking at Zaire vs LSU/Texas and anointing him as a great QB.

Book was bad against a bad North Carolina defense (27.7 QBR) in his one full start. All other play was spot duty so I won't hold those bad performances against him. So he basically has two total data points... one bad one and one good one.

Yet he has "IT"? Because of one game? Did Wimbush not have "IT" in isolated instances on the road at MSU and at home against USC?

What we know is that Book has a quicker release than Wimbush, throws more accurately on short and intermediate routs than Wimbush, and was effective in one game where they moved him outside the pocket. That's it. That's all we know.

Oh, and comparing Dayne Crist's mentality to Wimbush's...? Really?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

'15 NJ QB Brandon Wimbush (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

People are looking at one half of one game (where he also made some bad mistakes, too) and thinking that he's going to consistently play at that level for a whole season. That's quite the extrapolation. That'd be like looking at Zaire vs LSU/Texas and anointing him as a great QB.



Book was bad against a bad North Carolina defense (27.7 QBR) in his one full start. All other play was spot duty so I won't hold those bad performances against him. So he basically has two total data points... one bad one and one good one.



Yet he has "IT"? Because of one game? Did Wimbush not have "IT" in isolated instances on the road at MSU and at home against USC?



What we know is that Book has a quicker release than Wimbush, throws more accurately on short and intermediate routs than Wimbush, and was effective in one game where they moved him outside the pocket. That's it. That's all we know.



Oh, and comparing Dayne Crist's mentality to Wimbush's...? Really?

I will address all your wrote later.

I’m not comparing to one half. I’m taking into the UNC game, the bowl game and what I saw in the spring game last year. Yes he made some bad mistakes, but he also was not taking first team reps in spring and in fall practice. I guess that experience of first team reps doesn’t matter in your opinion.

And that’s complete BS “moved him outside the pocket.” Did they move him out side of the pocket on the 2 deep balls to Boykin? What about the strike over the middle to Finke Book was outside the pocket on that play also right? I must be mistaken, because you are always correct LAX and he was rolling out or scrambling on those plays.

My question to you is you would rather have Wimbush be the starting QB next year? If yes, then it’s going to be a long day against Michigan defense in the opener. And I promise you on February 19th ND loses.

And yes I can compare Wimbush to Crist. Example Miami from the opening whistle. Another example...what happened after Stanford took the lead the next possession when Wimbush took the field?

Did you at any point in the bowl game think Wimbush was going to lead the team to a victory?

One thing I truest believed was that Book was going to lead the team down the field to tie the game and then again to win the game.

Wimbush did lead the team down the field against another SEC team for the victory right? Wimbush got outplayed by a true freshman making first ever Road start.

But I know I’m a moron and the great Lax is always correct.

Edit: I know my point of view is wrong here also. But, I thought Book looked better in the spring game.

If I was in a war and fighting for my life in the trenches...I would pick Book to lead me 11 out of 10 times over BW.

Wimbush will start the season and it will be a repeat of the beginning of the 2011 season. This team next year should be in playoff contention, but it will be over by week 2.

Saying all this I hope I am 100% wrong.

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[IrishLax]

I will address all your wrote later.

I’m not comparing to one half. I’m taking into the UNC game, the bowl game and what I saw in the spring game last year. Yes he made some bad mistakes, but he also was not taking first team reps in spring and in fall practice. I guess that experience of first team reps doesn’t matter in your opinion.

And that's complete BS "moved him outside the pocket." D

I stopped reading here, because Kelly literally talked about how they by design moved him out of the pocket and called bootlegs/misdirection because they knew he was good at that and would be effective. Literally, they talked specifically about why they did that... but you take umbrage to this fact for some reason and pretend it didn't happen. Why? If you are going to make stuff up why even post?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Oh and I’m sorry Book didn’t live up to your standards in his first ever career start, which was on the road against a team that has talent but having a crap season and that game against ND was basically their Super Bowl. And not to mention he probably had less then a week of first team reps to prepare for the game.


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[dad4aa]

It is amazing how many all-American coaches we have on IE that seem to know so much more than any coach at ND. All of you should let us know when you are on the sideline so we can watch your team win the Natty.

 

[Luckylucci]

It is amazing how many all-American coaches we have on IE that seem to know so much more than any coach at ND. All of you should let us know when you are on the sideline so we can watch your team win the Natty.

Well, that is kind of the point of the board. To discuss ND football and the QB position would be an important topic to cover.

 

[IrishLax]

Oh and I’m sorry Book didn’t live up to your standards in his first ever career start, which was on the road against a team that has talent but having a crap season and that game against ND was basically their Super Bowl. And not to mention he probably had less then a week of first team reps to prepare for the game.


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lol

 

[Irishize]

I give Book the benefit of the doubt due to lack of game experience & I was thrilled at what he did in bowl game. That said, he threw 2 horrible picks that couldn’t be attributed to lack of first team reps. The first was the pick six vs Miami. The DB sat on that after reading it from a mile away. The second was the pick he threw in the bowl game. Not sure what he saw but he threw it right to the LSU CB.

Now that criticism doesn’t mean he won’t grow out of that with more experience but let’s keep this in perspective if he does end up the starter or fans will be calling for his replacement sonn enough.

 

[NorthDakota]

I give Book the benefit of the doubt due to lack of game experience & I was thrilled at what he did in bowl game. That said, he threw 2 horrible picks that couldn’t be attributed to lack of first team reps. The first was the pick six vs Miami. The DB sat on that after reading it from a mile away. The second was the pick he threw in the bowl game. Not sure what he saw but he threw it right to the LSU CB.

Now that criticism doesn’t mean he won’t grow out of that with more experience but let’s keep this in perspective if he does end up the starter or fans will be calling for his replacement sonn enough.

Tommy 2.0. I like Book, not because I think he's "The Man", but because the other options available....well....

 

[phgreek]

Tommy 2.0. I like Book, not because I think he's "The Man", but because the other options available....well....

Yea I like Book. You don't need to have an NFL ceiling at Notre Dame...you just need to be mentally and physically, um...lets say...hearty. Yes the QB needs to be physically capable enough to run a little, and throw a little....but does not need to be all world.

Just want a QB that, if everyone else does their job, will take what he is given...

Book does that better than Wimbush right now.

 

[BobbyMac]

Yea I like Book. You don't need to have an NFL ceiling at Notre Dame...you just need to be mentally and physically, um...lets say...hearty. Yes the QB needs to be physically capable enough to run a little, and throw a little....but does not need to be all world.

Just want a QB that, if everyone else does their job, will take what he is given...

Book does that better than Wimbush right now.

Just when you'd finally gotten over Jimmy C, Franchise Phil becomes the Marcus Mariota of Michiana and ruins your realistic expectations theory for ND QB's.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

lol

What do you find so comical here?

Wimbush performed better passing in his first road start at BC?


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