'15 NJ QB Brandon Wimbush (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[irishff1014]

Honest question:

Does anyone here, even a single poster, think we are 8-2 or better if Wimbush isn't our QB this season and we instead roll with any other roster option??

His feet clearly has won us games because he is a freak athlete. And he has set some lower tier teams to bite the run and leave the winder receivers open or in favorable positions to will battles. He has made some nice throws over all he is a bad passing QB.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Thanks for this. Facts are Facts, and mine were off.

So you're finally admitting that you are actually just shooting from the hip with aimless rants supported with facts that don't exist?

 

[Kingbish01]

So you're finally admitting that you are actually just shooting from the hip with aimless rants supported with facts that don't exist?

No, I'm admitting that Maxpreps had incomplete information for Wimbush, when they didn't for Jurkovec. Do you really believe I was on here making up numbers?? And if you want to believe that Wimbush is some great passer, I can't tell you otherwise...Just watch the tapes homie.

 

[IrishLion]

I was impressed with Wimbush in the second half of that game. You could tell he came out with his hair on fire, ready to make plays after getting the hook in the first half. I loved the outlet of the frustration after his two-point-conversion run, and he fell back into relying on his athleticism on a couple big scrambles.

Of course, some of those second-half plays could be credited to Miami softening up and sitting back, but at least it wasn't a 100% disaster. Brandon could have folded up and gone to auto-pilot, but he went out and battled instead. That was cool.

He didn't help himself with some of the throws he missed, but he didn't get help from the playcalling much, either. Wimbush and Long need to both develop, together.

 

[RDU Irish]

Maybe, deep down inside, Brandon is only looking to have BK give up on receiving opening kickoffs to complete the offseason transformation.

 

[BobbyMac]

Brandon Wimbush = the Irish Braxton Miller.

...or maybe no italics?

 

[NDohio]

Maybe, deep down inside, Brandon is only looking to have BK give up on receiving opening kickoffs to complete the offseason transformation.

Miami won the toss...

 

[ACamp1900]

Miami won the toss...

What do facts have to do with anything!?!

 

[Kingbish01]

Brandon Wimbush = the Irish Braxton Miller.

...or maybe no italics?

That's a good assessment. Braxton is in the NFL now, and he wouldn't be if he wanted to stay at QB. I think Wimbush is a crazy NFL caliber athlete, I just don't see him making it there as a QB. But who knows, he did throw for a gang of yards in HS so he may just be a very very very late bloomer.

 

[BobbyMac]

That's a good assessment. Braxton is in the NFL now, and he wouldn't be if he wanted to stay at QB. I think Wimbush is a crazy NFL caliber athlete, I just don't see him making it there as a QB. But who knows, he did throw for a gang of yards in HS so he may just be a very very very rare re-bloomer.

FIFY

I don't want Phil playing next year so I'll hope the staff can tune the offense to BW's skillset and if that means run his legs off then so be it. I don't really care about his pro upside. When he looks like Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson or Marcus Mariota 3 out of every 4 games, I'll listen.

BUT

He's done it before and obviously has the physical tools so anybody who says it CAN'T happen is wrong.

 

[dwshade]

Brandon Wimbush = the Irish Braxton Miller.

...or maybe no italics?

I for one think he'd be an excellent WR and would play on Sundays. I'm far less certain he's going to figure things out as a QB. Hope I'm wrong because I have a ton of respect for Brandon. He may simply be a good college QB which is fine but won't get you to the playoffs. Because you're always going to play a couple of teams with great athletes on defense who are going to stack the box, shut down the running game, and force your QB to beat them in the passing game.

 

[Kingbish01]

FIFY

I don't want Phil playing next year so I'll hope the staff can tune the offense to BW's skillset and if that means run his legs off then so be it. I don't really care about his pro upside. When he looks like Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson or Marcus Mariota 3 out of every 4 games, I'll listen.

BUT

He's done it before and obviously has the physical tools so anybody who says it CAN'T happen is wrong.

When you say he's done it before you mean high school right? He's only averaging 140 yards a game. I thought his coming out party was coming against NC State if you remember (It didn't he had like 100 yards) and it was nice to see him throw for 280 on Wake. But I can be a supporter of ND football and not like how we look at QB. If we are down 10 with 5 min on the clock in the 4th do you really have any confidence in our passing to get us back in it? I don't, it's not me trying to be a dikc...It just is what it is.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

There has to be a lot of fixes going forward, 51.1% completion rate is borderline horrific for a qb.

He is a runner, and an awesome one at that. But, a qb at the level ND wants to get to has to throw better. 51% is really inaccurate.

BK has a lot of work to do. 10 games in and it isn’t close to being fixed. Running is saving him and the team, but Stanford will take that away and he will have to throw. It now has been 5 straight games of 52.6%-38.9%. Thank goodness he can run, because he would be sitting if not. It has to be better beat Stanford. Most certainly has to be better in a bowl game, when a team will have weeks to figure to put a spy on his running and take a defender out of coverage.

It sure would be nice to have an off season of positiveness versus the opposite. Like in 2014 season getting crushed by USC, but beating LSU—-that was so much better in the off season.

I really hope it gets corrected, the Irish Nation needs something good to happen.

 

[Irish#1]

I was impressed with Wimbush in the second half of that game. You could tell he came out with his hair on fire, ready to make plays after getting the hook in the first half. I loved the outlet of the frustration after his two-point-conversion run, and he fell back into relying on his athleticism on a couple big scrambles.

Of course, some of those second-half plays could be credited to Miami softening up and sitting back, but at least it wasn't a 100% disaster. Brandon could have folded up and gone to auto-pilot, but he went out and battled instead. That was cool.

He didn't help himself with some of the throws he missed, but he didn't get help from the playcalling much, either. Wimbush and Long need to both develop, together.

This board has no place for common sense. Delete your post or GTFO!

 

[BobbyMac]

When you say he's done it before you mean high school right? He's only averaging 140 yards a game. I thought his coming out party was coming against NC State if you remember (It didn't he had like 100 yards) and it was nice to see him throw for 280 on Wake. But I can be a supporter of ND football and not like how we look at QB. If we are down 10 with 5 min on the clock in the 4th do you really have any confidence in our passing to get us back in it? I don't, it's not me trying to be a dikc...It just is what it is.

To win a NC at ND with the current level talent, yes you need a Deshaun Watson/Marcus Mariota (or a DeShone Kizer who is consistently hitting on all cylinders, every game.) BW is not that currently. But he does have the physical package to become that and has been that type of QB in HS vs a Top conference schedule. Will he do it next year? I don't know and it's Phil's team in 2019.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

There has to be a lot of fixes going forward, 51.1% completion rate is borderline horrific for a qb.

He is a runner, and an awesome one at that. But, a qb at the level ND wants to get to has to throw better. 51% is really inaccurate.

BK has a lot of work to do. 10 games in and it isn’t close to being fixed. Running is saving him and the team, but Stanford will take that away and he will have to throw. It now has been 5 straight games of 52.6%-38.9%. Thank goodness he can run, because he would be sitting if not. It has to be better beat Stanford. Most certainly has to be better in a bowl game, when a team will have weeks to figure to put a spy on his running and take a defender out of coverage.

It sure would be nice to have an off season of positiveness versus the opposite. Like in 2014 season getting crushed by USC, but beating LSU—-that was so much better in the off season.

I really hope it gets corrected, the Irish Nation needs something good to happen.

Tony Rice horrific?

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Football has Changed, this isn’t 30 years ago any longer. Can you win now with a QB that throws 2 tds in one season?

 

[dwshade]

There has to be a lot of fixes going forward, 51.1% completion rate is borderline horrific for a qb.

He is a runner, and an awesome one at that. But, a qb at the level ND wants to get to has to throw better. 51% is really inaccurate.

BK has a lot of work to do. 10 games in and it isn’t close to being fixed. Running is saving him and the team, but Stanford will take that away and he will have to throw. It now has been 5 straight games of 52.6%-38.9%. Thank goodness he can run, because he would be sitting if not. It has to be better beat Stanford. Most certainly has to be better in a bowl game, when a team will have weeks to figure to put a spy on his running and take a defender out of coverage.

It sure would be nice to have an off season of positiveness versus the opposite. Like in 2014 season getting crushed by USC, but beating LSU—-that was so much better in the off season.

I really hope it gets corrected, the Irish Nation needs something good to happen.

Don't think Stanford can take the run away from us. They are only 75th in the nation in run defense this year and they don't have the same kind of athletes as Georgia and Miami.

 

[BobbyMac]

Football has Changed, this isn’t 30 years ago any longer. Can you win now with a QB that throws 2 tds in one season?

If you trade Brandon Wimbush for Jalen Hurts tomorrow, could/would Bama still win the NC?

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Most likely. They are loaded.

Jalen is throwing it at a 59.8 clip this year with 1 int, and 62.8 last year. But, did have 9 ints.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Football has Changed, this isn’t 30 years ago any longer. Can you win now with a QB that throws 2 tds in one season?

And football can change again....

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Dwshade, I hope you are correct. But, they did just hold Washington to 135 yards rushing and they are good at rushing. The difference is Browning can’t run like Brandon. Brandon will have to throw.

I’m sure there will be a different game plan going forward.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Maybe we can have BW start practicing underhand screen passes Jon Lester style. #Yips

 

[BobbyMac]

Most likely. They are loaded.

Jalen is throwing it at a 59.8 clip this year with 1 int, and 62.8 last year. But, did have 9 ints.

If BW was 140/221 for 330 more yards, 2 more TD's and 1 more Int, would he be a very good QB?

 

[snoopdog]

Wimbush's Sr Stats:

12 G ... 192-265 ... 72.3% ... 3,187 yds ... 37 TD ... 4 Int ... 723 yds rush ... 5 TD

Phil updated stats:

12 G ... 175-230 ... 76.1% ... 3,003 yds ... 30 TD ... 4 Int ... 805 yds rush ... 16 TD


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Which makes this year so perplexing.

 

[T-Boone]

Wimbush is the guy.
He was wound too tight early in the season about throwing interceptions. Now that he has had this bad game in terms of interceptions he realises it isn't the end of the world. He came out and played nicely in the final quarter with a more relaxed attitude.
I see him having a strong game against Navy.

 

[snoopdog]

Well it will be interesting to see how he does against Navy and Stanford, because you now know they will stack the box heavy making him throw the ball

 

[dwshade]

Well it will be interesting to see how he does against Navy and Stanford, because you now know they will stack the box heavy making him throw the ball

Navy doesn't have the talent and athletes to do that successfully.

 

[Kingbish01]

If you trade Brandon Wimbush for Jalen Hurts tomorrow, could/would Bama still win the NC?

I'd say NO. I watched the end of that Bama game, and Hurt is a gamer that completed some big passes. Could Wimbush complete the same passes, sure. But I wouldn't be nearly as confident, Sat night showed that he is at least a year away from being "a gamer" He literally looked petrified Sat night.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Since we're all going goof-stupid in our withdrawal symptoms from the loss, I'll add some extreme data-poor bullshit to enrage people who are still drinking too much (alcohol OR Koolaid):

A). With an excited Deshon Kizer we are 10-0 heading towards 12-0;
B). With our guy we are 8-2 heading towards 10-2 (and with our guy next year we are heading towards 10-2 or 11-1 with a smoother more mature calm QB);
C). With Ian Book from the beginning of Spring as clear starting QB getting almost all the reps, we are 8-2 heading towards 10-2, just not mowing down opponents quite as badly;
D). With a happy Malik Zaire we are 6-4 heading towards 7-5, and basically a one-trick pony offensive team.

With A several IE posters are seriously considering committing suicide as their reason for existence has been destroyed.
With B these same posters are barely hanging on in subconscious hope that disaster might still occur to fire Kelly, or maybe the President of Notre Dame.
With C some posters are moderately happy because although we are winning we don't look great doing it.
With D some posters are deliriously happy seeing their dreams of hiring Bill Belicek come closer to reality.

Yep. That's how I see it. No argument there.